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Old January 7, 2004, 12:22 AM
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Default Lame Bangladesh league

While Australia was thinking of chasing 400+ in a day yesterday, the following made me realize how badly our own cricket sucks. How can you not chase 148 in 37 overs?

"At Rangpur, the match between Chittagong and Rajshahi was drawn and the hosts collected four points by virtue of the first innings lead. Chittagong who in the first innings collapsed for 104 runs bounced back in the second innings and made a match of it as they declared the innings after collecting 218 for 8.
However, Rajshahi did not take up the winning challenge to reach 148 runs within 37 overs finishing their second innings on 85 for three. "
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Old January 7, 2004, 11:09 AM
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This first class cricket tournament is not working. most of the good players are not playing now, some didnt even play at all this season, this sucks.

Another failure!
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Old January 7, 2004, 01:33 PM
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Raj - what do you think can be done specific to the issue you just mentioned of ?

A cricket tournament can be held only during the milder months ?

And where/when the BD players are playing seems to be more dictated by the ICC schedule, does it not ?

Additionally, it is deemed better that the national team players get practice in Pakistan , as opposed to BD. So they have to be their when their tournament is going on, right ?

Finally, pre- tour camps are important in my opinion - that's where the specialized coaches can work on the players. Besides, test match fitness, abilities etc are considerably more demanding - so the main coach has to work on the players too.

So, while the local players not getting exposure playing with the National players is indeeed a dissapointment, what else can the BCB do ? Bring quality or semi/quality foreign players ?

Your comments !!
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Old January 7, 2004, 02:13 PM
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It has to be well planned.

Look at this, National League started, A team went to Pakistan, National Camp started, A team players joined camp. A team became the B team in Pakistan.

Who did this help? Neither we had a competitive National League, neither did the A team did good.

We need to schedule this national league in a off season. When there is no tour. A good example would be, right after the England tour ended. Also, this A team tour is a joke now that the selectors have messed it up. Now it is a B team tour.

BCb needs to sit down and make sure they put this one and only first class tournament in a international off season, so every player can perticipate.
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Old January 7, 2004, 03:49 PM
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I still don't get you, sorry -

After the England team the National team players were getting their badly needed rest, were they not ?

The BCB was simply giving an opportunity to a hand select players to get additional exposure in Pakistan - invaluable exposure, I would say (but some may debate that, maybe). Some were already in the national team, and some are budding players. Now, since the utility of these players are more with the National team, they have simply been called back for the upcoming ZIM tour. Their gap is filled with the next best set of players (again, assuming that Paki exposure is more beneficial than a Bangla exposure). What the team in really is, or how it performs (the one in Pakistan) is less important. What is more important is the player exposures, right. And for that, the better players have higher priority, obviously.

About playing during the off season -

a)Players would certainly like to play under milder conditions (they are not perennial farmers)

b)Logistical issues, maybe ? Divisional fields may be shared resources with the Football leagues.

Even if the first point above is agreeable to, the availability of national players during the off season is a variable from year to year given the ICC schedule. Now, if you therefore change the schedule from year to year, this will need to be compatible with the availability of the shared resources (Do we have dedicated divisional stadiums + practice facilities ??). Therefore, you are asking the other leagues to abide by the cricket schedule !!


Anyway, my points above may not be valid at all, but you surely have to do more research to corroborate you alternative plan with specifics.

Then we can blame BCB on this issue, outright.

Your comments....
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Old January 7, 2004, 10:36 PM
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Wat sorts of trobles were the Sri Lankans were having when they started... anything like ours?!!!
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Old January 8, 2004, 01:05 AM
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Puzzled why this became a BCB issue, I just wanted Rajshahi to try to win the match. I don't think anything can be deduced from this other than lack of courage on part of the Rajshahi captain (not Mashud, he would be in camp).

We should not be overly concerned with Bangladesh A getting beaten in Pak.

If the Bangladesh league was professional, players would never be released so readily for these month long camps prior to tours. Since they can't learn proper technique and get good coaching via their club or first class teams, their only hope is to go to a national camp to get high calibre training. If the league improves, players improve then the need for these camps will diminish. Until then, that is the way it is.

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Old January 8, 2004, 09:52 AM
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I just want to second Rafiq. If we can't provide good training facilities for the six first-class teams then how can we expect to produce good players! Good players are just not born!

Unless we improve the local-training facilities we will have to pick-up raw talents and they will have mature through coaching and international exposure.
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Old January 8, 2004, 10:27 AM
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Until then, that is the way it is.

Yes - that's the key point here !

Not only is the restructuring of the Domestic league BCB's greatest challenge, benefits reaped off any improvements will also manifest over the long run.

So, we should be patient in that regard - assuming that BCB is doing the right things in the longer time span -

1. Build quality practice pitches and appropriately maintain them
2. Build dedicated stadiums all over the country
3. Build conditioning facilities

.......and this fairly expensive list keeps on going !

But for the time being, given their failure in the past, what they are seeking is instant gratification. Unfortunately, a successful test will then be their excuse to become more corrupt and get away from their big responsibilities.

But specifically in regards to this season, I don't think that all this is yet to apply.
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Old January 8, 2004, 10:55 AM
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Untill we can make a serious First Class tournament, we can not expect developlemt.

This one is a failure, due to not planning well to make sure all players are available. Thus, the fault is on BCB.

If you still dont get it, I give up.
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Old January 8, 2004, 11:41 AM
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Default Raj -

Yes, I'm afraid that's exactly what you will have to do !

But don't do that with the BCB - maybe one day you will be running the show, and we can then expect more sanity.
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Old January 10, 2004, 12:03 PM
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Until then, that is the way it is.

Yes - that's the key point here !

Not only is the restructuring of the Domestic league BCB's greatest challenge, benefits reaped off any improvements will also manifest over the long run.
Pundit,

Can you elaborate on "restructuring domestic league"? Are you talking about increasing number games each team plays?
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Old January 10, 2004, 09:47 PM
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Bhobishot - I was simply thinking about improvements in general that would make it not only attractive from the fan support point of view, but also a more viable factory for moulding and churning out real prospects.

I think from within this board, only Sham had put forth credible and well thought feedback on such an issue, sometime back. And some of us are unfortunately more content in going into a self-inflicted gripe-mode !
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Old January 10, 2004, 11:49 PM
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Old January 11, 2004, 12:42 PM
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Nascer bhai ...WB

Nascer bhai, I just had some ideas after reading your posts. I will email you about it later on.

By the way, here's some of the things that can be done to make the tournament competitive (I took inspiration from your post)

First class matches: These are just ideas and not written in stone. The scoring should not be a big problem, it's not rocket science even though it's a little involved:

Increase the 100 over limit to 150 overs (not many can get that far) per innings

Outright win - 8 points
First innings lead - 4 points
Draw - 2 points
If team lasts 100 overs - 1 point
Century - 1 point
5 wicket haul - 1 point

(some of this will also give the losing teams an opportunity to rack up some points.)


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Now that I think about it, it may also make the teams defensive. *sigh*
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Old January 11, 2004, 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Pundit
Bhobishot - I was simply thinking about improvements in general that would make it not only attractive from the fan support point of view, but also a more viable factory for moulding and churning out real prospects.

I think from within this board, only Sham had put forth credible and well thought feedback on such an issue, sometime back. And some of us are unfortunately more content in going into a self-inflicted gripe-mode !
Pundit,
I think you have misunderstood me. I was not griping. I was interested to know some of the details about the restructuring.

[Edited on 12-1-2004 by bhobishshot]
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Old January 11, 2004, 11:13 PM
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Tehsin,

Here are my inputs on your idea:
Remove over restriction completely.

Innings victory - 10 points.
Outright win - 8 points. (same as yours)
First innings lead - 4 points (same as yours)
Draw - 2 points (same as yours)
Century - x amounts of taka.
Double Century - 3x amounts of taka.
Tripple Century - 10x amounts of taka.
5 wickets - x amounts of taka.
10 wickets - 3x amounts of taka.
15 wickets - 10x amounts of taka.

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Old January 12, 2004, 04:26 AM
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I think the idea of hiring 6 specialist coaches (or 6 divisional teams X 3 specialist = batting, bowling and fielding coaches) coach for the divisional teams for 2 years is a good one.
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Old January 12, 2004, 06:31 AM
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Default Bhobishot -

I did not think you were griping.

Great posts from Fahmida, Bro Tehsin, and yourself, Bhobishot !

If all these incentives don't get them going, then nothing else will.
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Old January 13, 2004, 05:48 AM
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Old January 13, 2004, 08:25 AM
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Wat happened to Bangladesh Biman ? They have disappeared from the league and Bashar is playing for Khulna instead.

PS : I was away for three weeks. So sorry if this had already been discussed.
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Old January 13, 2004, 02:32 PM
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More ideas,

Send the BD "A" team to different first class domestic league (Pak, Ind, SL, Wi, or whatever) on a regular basis.
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Old January 13, 2004, 02:47 PM
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Right again, Bhobishot - though this suggestion of yours would be slightly contradictory to Raj's concern.
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Old January 13, 2004, 04:00 PM
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With some proper planning, we can have both.

More tours will give our front liners gain valuable experience.

Having a competitive first class tournament will give our future crickets a solid chance to develop.

We need both. What BCB needs to do is,

1. First mark the National team matches though the year.

2. Then find a moderate space when no national team match is scheduled and hold the first class match that time. We are not as developed as Australia in Cricket yet. So we must have all players perticipate in this one tournament to ensure competitveness. So we must find this 2 months off the schedule to hold the first class tournament.

3. Plan the A team and U-19 team tours in any other time of the year except those 2 months booked for national cricket league.

As more making players do their best to win, we need to put a big (real big) prize on the tournament. Even though this tournament does not generate money yet, putting a big prize sure will catch the attention and motivation. BCB makes plenty of money, they should put something like 1 Crore as the championship prize. That will turn the media go crazy, hopefully TV will start covering, which will trun the whole nation rooting for their original districk. This craze can be capitalized by each district team jersy and suvenirs. The money will give the district clubs a foundation to build on, soon there will be club building, practice facility, specialized coaches, physio etc.

These will all fall in place if we do the first 2 things, make this a true championship among the best players of the country and make the torunament attractive enought for all.
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Old January 13, 2004, 07:23 PM
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Right again, Bhobishot - though this suggestion of yours would be slightly contradictory to Raj's concern.
If you have a touring A team and a touring BD national team, then you have about 30 players getting international exposure on a regular basis. If the teams are not touring during the BD domestic first class season, they will participate in the domestic first class league, and there is a good chance one of these teams will stay home while the others are tour. Better yet, BCB can make sure that BD A does not tour during the BD domestic first class season. Moreover, you can rotate players out of the BD A team. In other words, use BD A as a vehicle to expose lots of players to international cricket. How does that sound?
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