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Old January 5, 2010, 07:06 AM
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Default Champaka Ramanayake: Should we keep him after March 2010?

Champaka's current contract expires on March 2010. I was initially very excited when Champaka was hired by BCB as a bowling coach. He worked with Vaas, Fernando, Joysa et al and shaped Sri Lanka attack. However, I am not at all impressed with his contribution to Bangladesh pace bowlers after almost 2 years.

When he arrived, Sajidul was a promising left handed bowler who could reach 135 K mark... we lost him.

Shahadat - he blames his change of action by Champaka for his loss of form. This is debatable, but Champaka failed to improve him. He had the potential to be a top notch medium fast bowler.

Mahbubul was promising - he didn't improve

Dollar Mahmud - no significant improvement

Rubel Hossain - he is still very promising but looks like Champaka has little effect on his improvement.

I am not very convinced that he is the right guy to take the pace bowling department forward. I think BCB should start searching for a suitable replacement right now.

World Cup 2011 is only 13 months away!!
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:09 AM
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we should never have hired him to begin with...look how's defanged shahadat!
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:19 AM
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:26 AM
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I dont think we ever had a pace bowling coach before and we were doing as good if not better without the coach. I mean if you look at Siddons/Whatmore you can tell they have had some effects on the players, but with Champaka I dont see any improvement with our pacers. I always thought we should hire some Pakistani pacer as our bowling coach. Aqib Javed worked with grameen phone pacer hunt for a while, what about him? Or we could look at 100 other pakistani internationals
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:31 AM
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I dont think we ever had a pace bowling coach before and we were doing as good if not better without the coach. I mean if you look at Siddons/Whatmore you can tell they have had some effects on the players, but with Champaka I dont see any improvement with our pacers. I always thought we should hire some Pakistani pacer as our bowling coach. Aqib Javed worked with grameen phone pacer hunt for a while, what about him? Or we could look at 100 other pakistani internationals
No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:32 AM
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I think he did well with the Sri Lankan fast bowlers no idea why he's not impressed with Bangladesh bowlers, his commitment towards BD?
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We should hire fast bowler from Australia or South Africa or WI. Hiring bowling coach from Srilanka and India is not good idea. Coaches like Donald or Walsh would be very handy. BCB needs to spend some money behind these coach
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:37 AM
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No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.
exactly!
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:41 AM
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No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.
Why not? The reason we go after Aussie coaches is because they produce the best coach/cricketers. And Pakistan produces pacers who are best in the sub continent. And we will play most of our games in sub continent and their wisdom can surely be used.
Also we did have a Pakistani head coach, cant recall his name atm[2002-2003?] but we never had match fixing issues
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:47 AM
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Why not? The reason we go after Aussie coaches is because they produce the best coach/cricketers. And Pakistan produces pacers who are best in the sub continent. And we will play most of our games in sub continent and their wisdom can surely be used.
Also we did have a Pakistani head coach, cant recall his name atm[2002-2003?] but we never had match fixing issues
You are not following Bangladesh cricket closely enough mate!

Mohsin "sidha khalo" Kamal was our coach and we hit rock bottom under his guidance and there was some match fixing allegation in WC 2003. Pilot denied the rumor but he lost the captaincy.

I don't want those days back.
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Old January 5, 2010, 07:54 AM
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You are not following Bangladesh cricket closely enough mate!

Mohsin "sidha khalo" Kamal was our coach and we hit rock bottom under his guidance and there was some match fixing allegation in WC 2003. Pilot denied the rumor but he lost the captaincy.

I don't want those days back.
Forgive my ignorance, I had tried my best to delete the 2003 WC from my mind, hence forgot about that.
Right you are about the match fixing issue.
Also I am not saying we should not hire Aussie/SA coaches, all I am saying is we can surely make use of the wisdom of greats like Wasim/Waqar as our pace attack looks like borrowed from a university team atm.
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Old January 5, 2010, 08:04 AM
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in the far futur when mortaza retires, he should be the coach of bowling for BD! for the moment yes a new bowling coach is required (after the horror of the srilanka match with the 2 fast bowler).
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The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek. It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.

As for Champaka, what's happened to Shahadat is one of the most disastrous developments in Bangladeshi cricket I can remember. We had ourselves a genuine swing bowler, who, while far from quick, at least had enough penetration to trouble international batsmen. Now he's bowling at Manjural Islam pace and it's bloody embarrassing to watch. If Champaka's forced the change of action that's caused his demise, then a few questions definitely need to be asked.

I'm not on the inner sanctum of Bangladeshi cricket so I've got no idea what sort of impact he's had on the other quicks. I think Rubel's more or less at the level I expected him to be at. He's still extremely raw so it would be unreasonable to expect him to be much better than he is. Our other bowlers were not very good in the first place and not likely to be very good even with good coaching.

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he needs to go..did not have any effect on bd pacers
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we badly need to change our bowling coach. i just cant see any improvement in our pace bowling dept in last 2-3 yrs. we dnt need any high profile coach rather young promising coach who will understand our young fast bowlers and their injury tendency actions. As far as i can remember, former bowlers like Andy Bickel, Fleming etc have started coaching in australia. new and young coach like them can surely be good candidates for us as a bowling coach.
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The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek.
It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.
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It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.
Depends on against which team? When it comes to lose match against a set of plumbers and part-timers (like Canada 2003), the stake could be quite high.
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No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.
Yeah your right. I read that Allan Donald is going to train India's bowlers. I wish we had someone like him, who unlike Ramanayake was a top class bowler himself.

Shaun Pollock anyone?
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The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek. It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.
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It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.
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If we're so worried about possible match-fixing allegations, I'd probably prefer the screening process to be slightly more sophisticated than 'shares the same nationality as someone who may have fixed a match'

I'd also prefer not to have to explain why a blanket assumption about Pakistani coaches fixing matches doesn't hold up, even if we're just being cautious

I do agree that we should go for a South African/Aussie. Being a bowling coach requires some pretty specialised knowledge about Sports Science, fitness and muscle training and I know that in Australia at least, a top bowling coach is likely to have a grounding in those areas.

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It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.

Depends on against which team? When it comes to lose match against a set of plumbers and part-timers (like Canada 2003), the stake could be quite high.
or when a certain team can go to semis if we lose...fficeffice" />

we lost to that same team when our coach was Indian who mysteriously never cam back with the team to report what happen and why he dropped the most successful spin bowler in that tournament for that match and what not...

any way no pak/indian coach period. consultancy base is fine (max for 3 mo).
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The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek. It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.
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It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.

Depends on against which team? When it comes to lose match against a set of plumbers and part-timers (like Canada 2003), the stake could be quite high.

winning and losing are not the only things that are 'fixed'.
betting happens on all kind of things, from what the captain does after winning the toss to which position a certain batsman (say ash) comes in to bat. a bowler can be similarly asked to bowl loosely to certain opponent batsman. the list of misdeeds evil greedy men can think up is virtually endless.
many pakistani cricketers and staff have connections with the dubai bookie world and other subcontinental underworld. for example javed miandad's daughter is married to son of dawood ibrahim, probably the biggest mafia don in the region extending from thailand to dubai with further operations in africa and eastern europe and wanted for 1993 mumbai terrorist blasts that killed 250 innocent people.
others in PCB have connections with the extremist groups that operate along pak-afghan border.
till the image of pakistani cricket establishment changes for the better it is prudent to keep those names away from cricket in other countries. of course, if you have players with impeccable reputations, say an akram, that is an entirely different matter.
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winning and losing are not the only things that are 'fixed'.
betting happens on all kind of things, from what the captain does after winning the toss to which position a certain batsman (say ash) comes in to bat. a bowler can be similarly asked to bowl loosely to certain opponent batsman. the list of misdeeds evil greedy men can think up is virtually endless.
many pakistani cricketers and staff have connections with the dubai bookie world and other subcontinental underworld. for example javed miandad's daughter is married to son of dawood ibrahim, probably the biggest mafia don in the region extending from thailand to dubai with further operations in africa and eastern europe and wanted for 1993 mumbai terrorist blasts that killed 250 innocent people.
others in PCB have connections with the extremist groups that operate along pak-afghan border.

To make assumptions about invidividuals because of the actions of other elements of the collective they belong to is unfair, prejudiced and illogical. And if you denied a candidate a job because of such an assumption, you could expect to be taken to court, and rightly so.

If we're going to avoid a Pakistani candidate it should be because he fails to meet the criteria in terms of ability, qualifications and, while we're on this topic, character.

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till the image of pakistani cricket establishment changes for the better it is prudent to keep those names away from cricket in other countries. of course, if you have players with impeccable reputations, say an akram, that is an entirely different matter.
I'm sorry to say that you actually couldn't have chosen a worse example! From what I've gathered on Pakpassion, It's generally accepted in Pakistani cricketing circles that Wasim was guilty of all the charges that were brought against him in the match fixing investigations, and that he and the other accused used their considerable influence to pressure Ata-ur Rehman into being the fall guy. Great cricketer, but a fairly dodgy character by all accounts.

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I am against hiring any pakis in then full-time coaching set-up.......

please dont get me wromg there are great bowlers like wasim and waqar et all....but I think they are too big an ego to work with sidons and co in our setup....the only way to have them is to give them full authority......which will lead to another big problem because I seriously doubt there overall coaching ability.......to me pak is most talented cricket nation in the world....there young batsman and bowlers develops just as flowers grow in the roadside bushes and yet they smell as expensive as one can ever buy........and it is hardly because of their coaches
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its good for sl cricket if he is sent back because alll these bowlers you see in our lankan team was found by him.....haha....its only you guys who are not able to benefit from him......thank god send him back
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