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Old January 18, 2010, 11:36 AM
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Default Bangladesh pace bowling : speed comparison with sub-continent pacers

I am quite impressed to see the average speed of Shafiul, Shahadat and Rubel trio. While Rubel is regularly clocking mid 140 KPH, Shafiul is not too far behind at high 130 to low 140 KPH. Our Shahadat after mighty grunts can reach up to 132-134 KPH with average speed around mid 120.

I think the speed is there and if they can control their line and length and add few variations, Bangladesh will have a good enough pace attack to challenge opposition in any condition. Shahadat and Shafiul actually has good variations, now it's up to Rubel to learn the trade properly.

The speed with which Indian seamers are bowling are very much comparable to our bowlers. Shafiul and Rubel are in fact tad quicker than Sreesanth and Zaheer. Ishant is at par with Shafiul, Rubel is probably the quickest among the lot.


Now if we look at other sub-continent pacers, I don't think we are too far behind in terms of speed.

Sri Lanka

Kulasekera - Average mid 120 with highest speed in the range of mid 130
Welegedera - Average low 130 and highest mid 140
Thushara - Average mid 120 and highest mid 130.

Pakistani pacers have better average speed than other sub-continent pacers, but that was always the case. However, Asif and Gul bowls in the range of high 120 to high 130, not too far ahead of our bowlers while Mohammd Aamer regularly clocked 140 Ks with intelligent variations.
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:49 AM
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We have also some decent bench warmers too.
Robin can reach 135-40
Same about Tapash and Dollar
Mashrafe and Talha can bowl around 140. Yeah thats impressive
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:50 AM
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both ishant and sree have lost quite a few k's. ishant used to bowl in the low 140's and sree in high 130's. may be they will go back to those speeds in more conducive conditions. zaheer has slowed considerably with age. he is past 31 now. he used to bowl at mid 140's for the first 3-4 years of his career.

expect rubel and shafiul to add around 5k's when they bowl in SA or oz.

sri lanka's fastest bowler at the moment is dammika prasad who bowls at high 140's, touching 150 now and then, on sub-continent wicket no less !!

in the sub-continent, purely in terms of pace
pak>>rest
SL> other two
BD>=Ind (as long as rubel plays)
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:51 AM
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Aamer can bowl more than 145kph I think.

Mash and Rubel are our fastest, the only that bowl in 140kph zone.
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:51 AM
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And also young Emon has decent pace as well as 16-17 years old Abul
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:53 AM
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the ramanayeke coach made shahadat a kid bowler...and then shahadat realised that bowling intest cricket is not about on line and length...it's also about the accuracy and the pace....after couple of months, he came back to his own action which is gr8.....rubel hossain is the own, who needs to go back to domestic cricket ......i'm impressed with shafiul(brother of inswinger mashrafee..lol )
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:59 AM
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Old January 18, 2010, 12:16 PM
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i don't fully agree Miraz bhai with some of the speed ranges you've posted. but i too am impressed with the speed of our pacers, and more so by the fact that shafiul did quite well with the red ball so far and rubel too didn't at least get embarassed like sharapova at Lords.

but this Test here are the speeds I saw:

Rubel - max (144), average (138-140)
Shahadat - max (137), average (128-130)
Shafiul - max (135), average (130)

the following are not from this Test, but general observations:

Ishant - max (142), average (132-135)
Zaheer - max (140), average (128-130)
Sreesanth - max (145), average (130-132)
Walegedara - max (?), average (135)
Kulasekara - max (135), average (125)
Malinga - max (142), average (135)
Fernando - max (148), average (140)
Asif - max (137), average (130)
Gul - max (145), average (135)
Aamer - max (146), average (135-138)
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Old January 18, 2010, 12:21 PM
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malinga- max(147) avg (138)

asif seems to be a bit low ?

dammika prasad - max(151) avg(142)
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I too am impressed with this trio. The way Shahadat had fought back to reclaim his old spot is encouraging to say the least. Shafi is going to be a good one and I am very high on Rubel. He is a bit raw, but he has the ingredients to be a good fast bowler, who bowls in short bursts. All three have good pace. You must have that if you want to be successful in intl cricket and escpecially for tests ( otherwise Rasel with his accuracy will be a fixture in our line-up ). They must carry on this momentum and keep working to improve every aspects of their game. All three have something different to offer and that is a more significant thing to observe.
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but this Test here are the speeds I saw:

Rubel - max (144), average (138-140)
Shahadat - max (137), average (128-130)
Shafiul - max (135), average (130)
That's been my observation with Rubel and Shahadat, however, I've seen Shafiul clock 137 in the Indian inning.
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btw we are talking like Pakistani
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Shahadat Hussain was very impressive. 5 fer against Indian batsmen is very good performance. Hopefully Mortaza will be back soon for tigers.
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i don't fully agree Miraz bhai with some of the speed ranges you've posted. but i too am impressed with the speed of our pacers, and more so by the fact that shafiul did quite well with the red ball so far and rubel too didn't at least get embarassed like sharapova at Lords.

but this Test here are the speeds I saw:

Rubel - max (144), average (138-140)
Shahadat - max (137), average (128-130)
Shafiul - max (135), average (130)

the following are not from this Test, but general observations:

Ishant - max (142), average (132-135)
Zaheer - max (140), average (128-130)
Sreesanth - max (145), average (130-132)
Walegedara - max (?), average (135)
Kulasekara - max (135), average (125)
Malinga - max (142), average (135)
Fernando - max (148), average (140)
Asif - max (137), average (130)
Gul - max (145), average (135)
Aamer - max (146), average (135-138)
shafiul clocked 139kph in Tri Series.
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That's been my observation with Rubel and Shahadat, however, I've seen Shafiul clock 137 in the Indian inning.
he did clock 139 in the ODIs, but the quickest i saw in tests was 135 in cricinfo commentary.
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Shahadat Hussain was very impressive. 5 fer against Indian batsmen is very good performance. Hopefully Mortaza will be back soon for tigers.
I doubt he will play in test matches for much longer.
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I too am impressed with this trio. The way Shahadat had fought back to reclaim his old spot is encouraging to say the least. Shafi is going to be a good one and I am very high on Rubel. He is a bit raw, but he has the ingredients to be a good fast bowler, who bowls in short bursts. All three have good pace. You must have that if you want to be successful in intl cricket and escpecially for tests ( otherwise Rasel with his accuracy will be a fixture in our line-up ). They must carry on this momentum and keep working to improve every aspects of their game. All three have something different to offer and that is a more significant thing to observe.
the only other time we've ever gone into a test with three 135 kph pacers was first test in Dunedin back in 2008. sajid, rajib, mash.

this trio is overall quicker by a fair bit. and i think the most important thing is the variation they bring.

shahadat and rubel both get reverse, with rubel's being more pronounced. shahadat has the best bouncer, rubel has the best yorkers. rubel also gets conventional swing. shahadat gets the odd ball to bounce due to his height and that accounted for the gambhir wicket and carbon copy dravid wicket in 2007. shafi, i haven't seen enough of to comment but will hopefully today. shahadat also seems to be able to jag the ball back into the right hander off the seam.

if we can get sajidul back, he will add variation as a pacy, left arm swinger.

if they all develop, mash can become an ODI specialist, and simaltaneously be our Test bowling coach/consultant!
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the only other time we've ever gone into a test with three 135 kph pacers was first test in Dunedin back in 2008. sajid, rajib, mash.

this trio is overall quicker by a fair bit. and i think the most important thing is the variation they bring.

shahadat and rubel both get reverse, with rubel's being more pronounced. shahadat has the best bouncer, rubel has the best yorkers. rubel also gets conventional swing. shahadat gets the odd ball to bounce due to his height and that accounted for the gambhir wicket and carbon copy dravid wicket in 2007. shafi, i haven't seen enough of to comment but will hopefully today. shahadat also seems to be able to jag the ball back into the right hander off the seam.

if we can get sajidul back, he will add variation as a pacy, left arm swinger.

if they all develop, mash can become an ODI specialist, and simaltaneously be our Test bowling coach/consultant!
Shafiul is able to swing away from left hander. He was troubling Ghambir with that.
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I doubt he will play in test matches for much longer.
i dont rate Mash a good test bowler. But he is very good in shorter version
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I hope they watched the way Zaheer was bowling yesterday, that Man is Bull ... He was bowling a Marathon like Spell and didn't Tire out and Was Bowling Faster as we went along

He went from 130K Average to 137K average by his 7th over
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I hope they watched the way Zaheer was bowling yesterday, that Man is Bull ... He was bowling a Marathon like Spell and didn't Tire out and Was Bowling Faster as we went along

He went from 130K Average to 137K average by his 7th over
Marathon Spell? he only bowled 7 overs how many overs Shadat bowled in his spell? and who got 5for?
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i don't fully agree Miraz bhai with some of the speed ranges you've posted. but i too am impressed with the speed of our pacers, and more so by the fact that shafiul did quite well with the red ball so far and rubel too didn't at least get embarassed like sharapova at Lords.

but this Test here are the speeds I saw:

Rubel - max (144), average (138-140)
Shahadat - max (137), average (128-130)
Shafiul - max (135), average (130)

the following are not from this Test, but general observations:

Ishant - max (142), average (132-135)
Zaheer - max (140), average (128-130)
Sreesanth - max (145), average (130-132)
Walegedara - max (?), average (135)
Kulasekara - max (135), average (125)
Malinga - max (142), average (135)
Fernando - max (148), average (140)
Asif - max (137), average (130)
Gul - max (145), average (135)
Aamer - max (146), average (135-138)
aamer definitely hit 150kph+ a number of times in australia this summer although i don't think he hits those speeds every match. everyone knows ishant has hit over 150kph in australia but again he doesn't do it every match and has definitely lost some pace, malinga apparently use to bowl around 150kph at a time as well.

shafiul was bowling around 135kph average in the tri-series, hopefully he can do the same in test cricket. outside of the national squad sajidul and emon have good pace, i think subashis ihas a bit of pace as well.
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Bangladesh pace bowling is improving..but we need to improve more as we all will agree...but are we ready to standardize these pacers with the top levels yet..I guess we are not there yet...
Our pacers and pipeline pacers are not getting enough overall support to retain their skills and improve for some 'reasons'. But overall we are going at a slow moderate pace but still way behind than other sub continent pacers in overall performances.
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Marathon Spell? he only bowled 7 overs how many overs Shadat bowled in his spell? and who got 5for?
No He Bowled 9 overs on trot and looked ready to bowl a few more
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While we are discussing about pacers, could someone tell us about Nazmul's ranking? Shouldn't we add his name in the list (be it shorter or longer version of the game)?
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