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Old January 18, 2010, 04:46 PM
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Pakistan probably has the best pace attack amongst the sub-continent teams. Their bowlers have better control & variation as well.
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Old January 18, 2010, 04:47 PM
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Pakistan probably has the best pace attack amongst the sub-continent teams. Their bowlers have better control & variation as well.
They have one of the best pace attacks in the world.
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Old January 18, 2010, 05:15 PM
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good observation.

what variables factor into speed is another interesting point. body mass, psychological emotion, proper body mechanics, height of bowler, diet, etcetera...
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Old January 18, 2010, 05:30 PM
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Once upon a time there were two roommates in the Indian MRF academy. The two bolwers returned home after weeks of training. One was a requirement for the national team soon after his training completion, the other was somewhat optional for Mohammedan. The latter was called Shumon and the former was called Chaminda Vaas. And we know the rest....

Morale of the story? What ZeeshanM said is what Chaminda Vaas also told BD pace bolwers.. that they need to change diet and work out heavily to build muscles to be able to bowl consistently. Talent alone cant survive if the frame is non-existent. If you look into the pacers from Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africal, England,, they all have good height, good physique and body mechanics to support their bowling talent. Unfortunately, BD bowlers are not known for their physical fitness compared to other international grade bowlers. Hence, you see Rasel/Nazmul/Talha/Sajid/Safaque like players breaking down in injuries and never gets back to their usual rythm.
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Old January 18, 2010, 05:45 PM
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Thanks db...

Well, Rubel is built. But if we go by the hierarchial command center down the line activity of the brain...dunno if there is a technical term for that....then if Rubel can work on finesse maybe he will be destructive.

I say Rubel take boxing or something like that as hobby. Things like skipping, body bag hitting, etcetera will show him line and length analogy. Or any coordination drill like kali, fencing, ping-pong may also help.

And no Orphy, ping pong is not GAy.
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Old January 18, 2010, 06:03 PM
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Actually, you don't need to be too ripped to bowl fast. In fact, you probably shouldn't be. Fitness and sustenance are more important and fast bowlers need to be physically flexible. There's a reason why many FB's are tall and lanky, at least when they start off. A good diet and gym work to strengthen the shoulder and the back are definitely important.
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Old January 18, 2010, 06:13 PM
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Indeed and indeed, pisaach mama.

Although when I said ripped I had the benefits of a discus thrower in mind, now if we could trampoline off that to slinging, which Rubel tries to characterize as maybe extra muscle factor will play a roll in the momentum of it? :scratch head:
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Our bowlers just need to learn how to control line and length. Pace is nothing without that
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If you look at Al Furqaan's analysis about speed of bowlers, you can see how unimportant pace can be. Mohd. Asif, one of the slower one in the lot causes the most trouble amongst batsmen, swinging the ball both ways and getting wickets.
I would rather have three bowlers in mid 120s with loads of swing/accuracy/venom.

PS: The above WITH pace would be devastating, but if we are to chose between pace or Swing/accuracy we should choose the latter
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Old January 18, 2010, 08:41 PM
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If you look at Al Furqaan's analysis about speed of bowlers, you can see how unimportant pace can be. Mohd. Asif, one of the slower one in the lot causes the most trouble amongst batsmen, swinging the ball both ways and getting wickets.
I would rather have three bowlers in mid 120s with loads of swing/accuracy/venom.

PS: The above WITH pace would be devastating, but if we are to chose between pace or Swing/accuracy we should choose the latter
this is true, but a balance is the best thing.

Pakistan's attack when on point is easily the best pace attack from the Subcontinent and one of the best in the world. Asif gets the ball to seam off the wicket, gets good bounce due to his height, even though he normally operates at just 130 k. But he has the capability to crank it up to 135-138, which is always useful. Aamer has the pace, and is a lefty. Not sure if he can reverse swing it, but he can swing it conventionally. Then there is Gul is who is off form now, but on his day is a very good bowler. He too has some pace, tho not quite at Aamer's level. But he has the reverse swing.

What we have to do is get Shafi, Rubel, some refinement. Right now it seems that Shafi is more polished than Rubel in terms of putting the ball in the right place. But we need that tearaway bowler like Shahadat who can snap up wickets in quick time, and no pay too much attention to his economy rate. Hopefully Rubel can be a another striker, while Shafi keeps things tight.

You see a guy like Mortaza had to have a good economy rate, because he only took wickets every 65 balls, and that was when in prime condition. Now its dropped to eveyr 76 balls. But Shahadat strikes basically every 60 deliveries, and if he can keep it the late 50s, he can afford to go for some runs every now and then. Even this match, his middle 10 overs were quite miserly, with only the first and last 2 overs being expensive.
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Old January 18, 2010, 08:49 PM
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BD pacers are bowling quick enough nowadays, it's now an issue of line and length as well as variation. how many BD bowlers bowl 130kph+ regularly now? probably: sajidul, emon, rubel, shafiul, even nazmul, dolar, robin, subashis, robiul, the u19 pacers, sumon saha, robin would hit 130kph+ fairly regularly and mash and shahadat have the capability it's just a matter of whether they want to or not. the pace is there, it's the other stuff that needs to fine tuned.
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Old January 18, 2010, 10:38 PM
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Our pacers need to work out extensively to build bigger leg, back , shoulder and bum muscles. Strength training over years of hard work is a must. In order to avoid rigidity- stretching, yoga etc are also a must.
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Old January 18, 2010, 10:51 PM
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Yeah, totally...I agree with all of you guys here! Thik bolechen!
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:02 PM
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Once upon a time there were two roommates in the Indian MRF academy. The two bolwers returned home after weeks of training. One was a requirement for the national team soon after his training completion, the other was somewhat optional for Mohammedan. The latter was called Shumon and the former was called Chaminda Vaas. And we know the rest....

Morale of the story? What ZeeshanM said is what Chaminda Vaas also told BD pace bolwers.. that they need to change diet and work out heavily to build muscles to be able to bowl consistently. Talent alone cant survive if the frame is non-existent. If you look into the pacers from Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africal, England,, they all have good height, good physique and body mechanics to support their bowling talent. Unfortunately, BD bowlers are not known for their physical fitness compared to other international grade bowlers. Hence, you see Rasel/Nazmul/Talha/Sajid/Safaque like players breaking down in injuries and never gets back to their usual rythm.
of course fitness is important...but injuries are common to fast bowlers....lee, shoib akter, bond, flintoff who doesn't have injury problem, so why blame our bd bowlers with dietary and fitness related issues? it's all in our mind........accept it....
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Old January 18, 2010, 11:08 PM
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pacers do get injured pretty regularly, look at the aussie attack over the summer. lee has been injured, hilfenhaus is also injured, siddle had a hamstring strain, bracken has been out for ages. also pacers areound the world such as malinga, fidel edwards, taylor, steyn was injured not very long ago. pacers get injured quite frequently, some struggle their whole career ala bond, mortaza and lee (especially the 2nd half of his career).

i don't know their diets or training regimes so can't really comment on whether they're doing the right things or not but it's true that pacers get injured frequently.
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Old January 19, 2010, 12:13 AM
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if ishant sharma is called rf bowler, what rubel will be called? is he still rfm bowler? or RF bowler? i didnt notice yet. can some one verify?
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