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Old January 24, 2010, 04:55 AM
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Nayeem and Rajin should be call in for next coming test against England, and Ash and Rakib should be sidelined, SN and Junaed shouldn't be consider at this level for long time
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Old January 24, 2010, 06:07 AM
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1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Imrul Kayes/Nafees Iqbal/Zunaed Siddiqui
3. Nafees Iqbal/Zunaed Siddiqui
4. Mushfiqur Rahim (VC-Specialist Batsman)
5. Shakib Al Hasan (C)/Mohammad Mahmudullah
6. Mohammad Mahmudullah/Shakib Al Hasan (C)
7. Mohammad Ashraful/Shahriar Nafees/Nayeem Islam/Dhiman Ghosh(WK, if GoBoy is FINALLY treated like a top order batsman).
8. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza
9. Shahadat Hossain
10. Enamul Haque
11. Rubel Hossain/Shafiul Islam/Talha Jubair
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Old January 24, 2010, 06:10 AM
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Time for Riyad to get a promotion in batting order. Anything is better than #8.
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:00 AM
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rubel
shafiul
shahadat
mahumudullah
mushfiqur
shakib
raqibul
ashraful
junaid
tamim
imrul

There are 2 advantages to this. If the pattern of the bottom 5 scoring more than the top 5 continues then you can post 400+ totals. If the pattern of top order failing continues nobody will complain, they are bowlers they are not expected to score heavily anyway.
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:03 AM
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Default We don't need flashy idiots up the order

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Originally Posted by Miraz
I think our batting line up needs a shake-up. Too many walking wickets at the top order. They are finding it hard to cope with the fast bowlers. IMO, will fare better in the middle order. On the other hand, players like Mushfiq and Riyad showed good technique against faster bowlers and they should be moved up the order.

I would go with the following order in Test matches. I will also take Naeem in place of Shahriar Nafees as he will be wasted at number 8 position. If we still keep SN, I would play him at number 7.

Tamim
Imrul
Raqibul
Mushfiq
Riyad
Ashraful
Shakib
Naeem
Shahadat
Shafiul
Mahbubul/Rubel
We badly need this shake-up. Ashraful & Shakib are giving away their wickets far too easily. We don't need flashy strokeplayers upfront. All they do is imperil our position in a match.

We need fighters like mushfiq & mahmudullah. Adding naeem's temperment to this outfit will make it less lethal a combination but would be more effective in the longer version.
S. Nafees has been a major disappointment and i don't think he will survive in this version of the game.
We need to wait for the next bunch of cricketers to come forward. Until then, we may be forced to continue with........ ashraful

Bowling wise, Talha is worth having another go. Saqlain Sajib is doing an excellent job for the last couple of seasons. Mahmudul Hasan is there for a very long time. We may have a look at him.

And, of course, Shabbir Rahman is there. his inclusion may make this team even more balanced. A good bat and effective leg-spin. He would add greater values to this team.
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:14 AM
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We badly need this shake-up. Ashraful & Shakib are giving away their wickets far too easily. We don't need flashy strokeplayers upfront. All they do is imperil our position in a match.

We need fighters like mushfiq & mahmudullah. Adding naeem's temperment to this outfit will make it less lethal a combination but would be more effective in the longer version.
S. Nafees has been a major disappointment and i don't think he will survive in this version of the game.
We need to wait for the next bunch of cricketers to come forward. Until then, we may be forced to continue with........ ashraful

Bowling wise, Talha is worth having another go. Saqlain Sajib is doing an excellent job for the last couple of seasons. Mahmudul Hasan is there for a very long time. We may have a look at him.

And, of course, Shabbir Rahman is there. his inclusion may make this team even more balanced. A good bat and effective leg-spin. He would add greater values to this team.
way too early to think about mahmudul hasan and shabbir rahman (though i think this guy could turnout to be a quality allrounder). definitely bring naeem in and move riyad and mushy up the order and push shakib down the order. shuvo should be given a chance as well in the #8 spot and sajidul when he gets back to full fitness (if he's not already) should be around the national team or thereabouts. kapali as an outside option due to his leg spin. #2 and #3 spots are the biggest worry, honestly don't know who we'd try other than those already given ago.
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:16 AM
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Zunaed
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Originally Posted by BD-Shardul
Zunaed Siddique (I think he has the best test record at no 3 after Bashar?)
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Originally Posted by wiseshah
Junaed Siddiqi (even of form junaed is better than minnow basher dakat looking
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Zunaed
I don't understand the basis why you kept zunaid siddiqi in the squad? what has he done apart from that newzealand innigs? no recent performance in ncl, nor in odi's against zim, nothing at all anywhere!
You see what happened today against India? this is what happens when you(and our ridiculous bcb selectors) add players in the squad based on one match performance and a player not in the form.

There was a better chance of SN performing making a 20 odd runs at least than this uncapable junaid siddiqi
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:22 AM
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In the 2nd innings of this test match, our batting line up should be like this :

1.Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Junaid
4. Roqibul
5. Riyad
6. Shakib
7. Mushy
8. Ash
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:44 AM
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rubel
shafiul
shahadat
mahumudullah
mushfiqur
shakib
raqibul
ashraful
junaid
tamim
imrul

There are 2 advantages to this. If the pattern of the bottom 5 scoring more than the top 5 continues then you can post 400+ totals. If the pattern of top order failing continues nobody will complain, they are bowlers they are not expected to score heavily anyway.
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Old January 24, 2010, 07:48 AM
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rubel
shafiul
shahadat
mahumudullah
mushfiqur
shakib
raqibul
ashraful
junaid
tamim
imrul

There are 2 advantages to this. If the pattern of the bottom 5 scoring more than the top 5 continues then you can post 400+ totals. If the pattern of top order failing continues nobody will complain, they are bowlers they are not expected to score heavily anyway.
Ashraful should be opening the batting then.
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Old January 24, 2010, 08:01 AM
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1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Imrul Kayes Talha Zobair
3. Zunaed Siddiqi Abdur Razzaq Raj
4. Mohammad Ashraful Tareq Aziz
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6. Mahmudullah Riyad
7. Nayeem Islam
8. Mushfiqur Rahim
9. Shahadat Hossain
10. Rubel Hossain
11. Shafiul Islam (Either Rubel or Shafi has to leave if Mash is fully hit. I don't think that's gonna happen soon for test matches)
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Old January 24, 2010, 09:16 AM
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My current team:

Tamim
Zunaid / Imrul / Anybody else
Mushfiq Note
Rakibul
Riyad
Shakib
Dhiman
Naeem
Shahadat
Rubel / Rasel
Shafi / Rasel

Whilst my respect for Mushfiq's batting has soared, my view of his wicketkeeping is still negative. Basically, he is not good enough. So, my long cherished view is that he should be in as a specialist batsman. [ only in test matches. LIke Sangakarra he may have to put the gloves on for ODI's ]. Hence, No.3 does not pose a problem and, hopefully, this will diminish the chances of the regular early batting collapse.
Riyad promotes himself and he should come in ahead of Shakib. Dhiman is a good keeper and a perfectly adequate No.7. Naeem will give solidity to the batting. Who knows what talent he will also reveal !

The bowling can be selected according to the pitch and conditions. Even a spinner could come in with one pacer dropped.

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Old January 24, 2010, 09:31 AM
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I don't understand the basis why you kept zunaid siddiqi in the squad? what has he done apart from that newzealand innigs? no recent performance in ncl, nor in odi's against zim, nothing at all anywhere!
You see what happened today against India? this is what happens when you(and our ridiculous bcb selectors) add players in the squad based on one match performance and a player not in the form.

There was a better chance of SN performing making a 20 odd runs at least than this uncapable junaid siddiqi
Simple. I scratch my head and no other name pops up. The same reason why Ash is not dropped. The selectors cannot find anyone who would necessarily give more than 23 runs per innings. Ashraful's scores innings by innings gives what Statisticians would call a high "standard deviation". Most batsmen with an average scores around that score. Ashraful has lots of zeroes, one and two's but also a few hundreds. His bell curve spread is wider.
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Old January 24, 2010, 09:34 AM
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I think if we simply put the batting line-up upside down, we will do much better than this.
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In the 2nd innings of this test match, our batting line up should be like this :

1.Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Junaid
4. Roqibul
5. Riyad
6. Shakib
7. Mushy
8. Ash
I like this batting order for the second innings.

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Old January 24, 2010, 11:15 AM
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For the Test Against NZ:
1.TIK
2.IMRUL
3.SN/JUNAID
4.RAQUIBUL
5.RIYAD
6.MUSHY
7.SHAKIB
8.NAEEM
I would like to keep the same squad just will drop ash and bring Naeem in the line up.As Shakib is a hard hitting batsman so i would like to pull him down 1 place in the batting order.IMO its not possible for MUSHY to bat top of the order after doing the keeping so #6 for him.

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Old January 24, 2010, 12:15 PM
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OK, so I've been banging my head on the wall for a couple of years now and may have developed a few cracks on my skull, so please forgive the outrage. I am not a single bit happy with what the management has done with this batting line up. In fact I will go as far as questioning their sanity.

Last night it was clear why Mushfiq and Riyad are the only Test class batsmen we have. The former was compact in his defense and was watching the ball all the way to the bat. He left the ones that needed to be left and NEVER looked like he was going to get out. He didn't do anything wrong until of course when he got out. Even when he edged one between third slip and gully, he played it with soft hands to ensure that it stayed on the ground. The ball that he got out to might have zipped on to him after it pitched, but a dismissal is a dismissal and he should have stuck around after getting a start.

The latter, on the other hand, was pretty flawless and I don't think there's much to say about Riyad's heroics. As for the rest, when even Shafiul leaves one outside leg, that you got out caught behind down the legside as an opening batsman speaks volumes about your batsmanship. Ashraful was his usual idiotic self - nothing was in place for that shot, not the situation, not his head, not his hands, not his feet, NOTHING. Shakib was fishing outside the off stump over and over and over again and living dangerously like he always does.

Now here's the thing - we have seen Mushfiq long enough to know what he's capable of. How long before we send him up the order? If batting after keeping wickets in Test matches is too hard for him (which I can imagine), then don't put him at #3 or #4, but don't make him come in at #7 either - it's just ridiculous. I was OK with Riyad batting at #8 temporarily, but now that we've had a good look at him we need to look to promote him. He has earned it and earned it quick enough.

How many times do we have to be 50/5 before we realize that we need some solid guys in the middler order? I don't buy the crap about sending these guys down the order to architect a recovery because if we send them up the order there won't be any need for a recovery every game in the first place.

God knows what kind of fertilizer the selectors are carrying in their upper temple, but who brings in a player who hasn't played FC cricket in a while to the Test squad? Shahriar Nafees would have been better off playing in the NCL and now that they have picked him and watched him play a game, they have had to drop him. Why pick him in the first place? This is the kind of mistakes our selectors have been making forever now and they never learn. They brought in Zunaed in his place - wow, how come I never thought of that? Got some grey matter in my head perhaps? Zunaed is totally out of form and again, shouldn't have been in the Test squad at all. He should have been sorting his game out in the NCL.

Finally, why bring in Naeem Islam if you're not going to play him? Again, he's missing out on an NCL game for this, where he could have scored yet another century batting - surprise surprise - in the middle order.

The management has proved over and over that it is incompetent and incapable of determining the optimal use of our players' skills; and let's not even start on what they've done with the bowling.
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Old January 24, 2010, 12:29 PM
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We need to reshuffle the batting order, thats all.

But something in my mind is telling me JS wont do it. The guy is too scared to experiment a single bit and lose his job.
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The problem is the management has made so many mistakes that we're at a point where we need a major reshuffle and major reshuffling is never good. Change has to come gradually and the management right now is in the same hole that it has dug for itself over the years.
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junaid , ashrafool , kayes are same nothing to expect from them
Ryad and Mushfiqur must be promoted and Naeem should be in this team
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The problem is the management has made so many mistakes that we're at a point where we need a major reshuffle and major reshuffling is never good. Change has to come gradually and the management right now is in the same hole that it has dug for itself over the years.
I really don't understand this pigheadedness over the batting order. it needed to be changed from 2nd innings of 1st test itself. they still went in with the same one.
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I really don't understand this pigheadedness over the batting order. it needed to be changed from 2nd innings of 1st test itself. they still went in with the same one.
I dont think its "they", its Jamie Siddons who does all the thinking. I wonder if Sakib even has a say in it.
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are you guys on crack or what ?

players who are used to being sent down the order have also developed the sense of humility for not taking things for granted. Also, after the carnage they see of the top order, they tend to buckle down, and begin taking advantage of reduced seaming conditions and no shine of the ball.

that is how they play.

bringing those top order batsmen down the order will only make them get more lucky, but will not prevent them from displaying any level of gratitude that they ought to have had playing for their country, in the first place.

And yes, mahmud and mushfiq would have been back to the pav after gritting it out for a painstaking 15 runs off 25 overs.
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