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Old January 31, 2010, 12:47 PM
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Only one Bangladeshi has made it into the top 25 of the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen and that man is Habibul Bashar. After impressing with an innings of 71 in Bangladesh's first-ever Test, he passed fifty on ten occasions in his first 11 Tests. This superb start, when he was often the lone thorn in the side of opposition bowlers enabled him to reach the giddy heights of 24th place and 656 points towards the end of 2003.

Below is one more link from ICC. Where Bashar is still the face of Bangladesh batting.

http://cricket.yahoo.com/team-profil...2#team_records

All I am saying is Bashar need a chance to show us what else he can do for Bangladesh cricket?
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Old February 1, 2010, 02:15 AM
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he needs some BIG Hundreds and also has to beat names like farhad hossain, jahurul, faisal etc.
he is already 89 runs behind the table-topper farhad (382)

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archiv...g_by_Runs.html
HB is a proven performer. Others are not. You can not compare with proven one with green horn. Vaughn, Treschotic were ordinary in county cricket; but once they scored some runs in county cricket - they were called back and scored run for the national team. The problem with green horn is that we might unearth a Riad but also may find out that he is a Dickens. Let the green horn mature
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Old February 1, 2010, 10:43 AM
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and sharif is getting mad wickets. so what??
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Old February 1, 2010, 11:14 AM
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As long as Siddins is there Bashar is not getiing in. Foreign coaches don't usually like old players with baggage.....
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Old February 1, 2010, 01:08 PM
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... but ... but .... he tends to like Ashraful alright.
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Old February 1, 2010, 01:56 PM
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looking at Ash and Roqibul's current form, Bashar could easily be considered for Test Team ! Its worth a gamble against England ! If he fails, it doesnt matter coz what good Ash and Roqibul are doing for the team anyway !
My thoughts exactly. Bashar also hooking a lot less. Hooks and pulls were his downfall. I had a thread after the England series ("An impulsive hooker") in which I mentioned that every time he got a good start, he tried to hook and got out. He and Masood were only batsmen to score a few double digit runs. Mushfique had two brilliant FC knocks and then failed miserably in the test where he was inserted prematurely. From what I am hearing of Basher lately I have to conclude taht he has actually matured during his second chance. Why not try him atleast in the warmups and see what he can do.
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Old February 1, 2010, 03:23 PM
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read this and check out our batsman rankings.

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I will not support bringing back Bashar. That will be a regressive step.

However, even until now, Bashar has been our best batsman, though others are catching up fast. I have always used Bashar as a kind of benchmark.

He is still the only batsman with a ratio better than 1/2 of 50+ scores in the number of tests he played. 27/50.

Junaid is the next best. I predict Mushfiq and Riyad will catch up soon. So will Tamim as soon as he gets rid of his "rush of blood".

Why is this ratio important ? It shows how reliable a batsman is to play a big innings. Ashraful's ratio as you would expect from his lack of reliability is less than 1/4 or 25%. So he needs to play at least 5 innings "on average" before you can expect him to score a 50. So given a "normal" Bangladeshi series of 2 tests [ 4 innings ], there is a more than 50% chance that Ashraful would not score a 50 !
He was until recently our premier batsman !!!

It tells you also Shakib's unreliability. Less than 20%. His manner of approaching an innings is very similar to Ashraful's. With the same consequence !
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Old February 1, 2010, 04:44 PM
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Default dosh nombor batsman niya ato falafali. uporer noy jon ki panitey bhaisha ashcchey?

Current NCL (Picnic league) standing:

NameMatchesInnsNot OutRunsHSAve10050CtSt
Farhad Hossain (Rjshi)341382159 127.33 216
Jahurul Islam (Rjshi)341369139 123.00 216
Jubair Ahmed (Rjshi)118989 89.00 11
Abdur Razzak (Khul)1217474 74.00 10
Rezaul Karim (Chit)1217065*70.00 10
Asif Ahmed (Bar)24258121 64.50 23
Faisal Hossain (Chit)3529996 59.80 34
Shamsur Rahman (Dh)351220134 55.00 113
Sharifullah (Dh)34115756 52.33 21
Habibul Bashar (Khul)3629387 48.83 41
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Old February 2, 2010, 12:08 AM
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Current NCL (Picnic league) standing:

NameMatchesInnsNot OutRunsHSAve10050CtSt
Farhad Hossain (Rjshi)341382159 127.33 216
Jahurul Islam (Rjshi)341369139 123.00 216
Jubair Ahmed (Rjshi)118989 89.00 11
Abdur Razzak (Khul)1217474 74.00 10
Rezaul Karim (Chit)1217065*70.00 10
Asif Ahmed (Bar)24258121 64.50 23
Faisal Hossain (Chit)3529996 59.80 34
Shamsur Rahman (Dh)351220134 55.00 113
Sharifullah (Dh)34115756 52.33 21
Habibul Bashar (Khul)3629387 48.83 41

Please take a look at his innings..
out of 6 innings 4 are 50's. This is an prime example of matured consistency which we need in our one down or 2 down batting position.
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Old February 2, 2010, 12:14 AM
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no centuries but 6 innings, no not outs and still averaging 48 is pretty decent, he has performed at the international level so he's already somewhat proven he just needs to show that he's still capable of doing it. with these 50's he keeps reeling off, one century might be all he needs to get selected. would you take a proven ex-national over an unproven rookie? not saying bashar should be selected but he's definitely putting his name up.
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Old February 2, 2010, 01:19 AM
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make one century, i will think again
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Old February 2, 2010, 01:24 AM
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Please take a look at his innings..
out of 6 innings 4 are 50's. This is an prime example of matured consistency which we need in our one down or 2 down batting position.
and please look at farhad and jahrul. out of 4 innings, 2 hundreds and 1 half century.
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Old February 2, 2010, 03:43 AM
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We need Bashar for the no.3 position..BIGTIME! I have all my confidence on him that he'll not disappoint us...He is a true fighter, bring him back and also give him the test captaincy back!

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Old February 2, 2010, 10:24 AM
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I will not support bringing back Bashar. That will be a regressive step.

However, even until now, Bashar has been our best batsman, though others are catching up fast. I have always used Bashar as a kind of benchmark.

He is still the only batsman with a ratio better than 1/2 of 50+ scores in the number of tests he played. 27/50.

Junaid is the next best. I predict Mushfiq and Riyad will catch up soon. So will Tamim as soon as he gets rid of his "rush of blood".

Why is this ratio important ? It shows how reliable a batsman is to play a big innings. Ashraful's ratio as you would expect from his lack of reliability is less than 1/4 or 25%. So he needs to play at least 5 innings "on average" before you can expect him to score a 50. So given a "normal" Bangladeshi series of 2 tests [ 4 innings ], there is a more than 50% chance that Ashraful would not score a 50 !
He was until recently our premier batsman !!!

It tells you also Shakib's unreliability. Less than 20%. His manner of approaching an innings is very similar to Ashraful's. With the same consequence !
I don't know about HB, but this statistic clearly shows where Ash and Shakib falls in consistency. Shakib needs to bat lower, where his mad batting style can actually help.

I think that both BCB and JS should be sent this statistic. I know I bring up Bradman too many times, but 52.5% (42/80) of his test innings were 50+, 36.25% (29/80) were 100+, 13.75% (11/80) were 200+, and 2.5% (2/80) were 300+ (and one 299*). I did not compute it for test matches (52), because then the numbers will be crazy! I am not expecting anything similar from our batsmen; none has been able to come even remotely close. But, 50+ around 35% of the matches can be a reasonable expectation from the top and middle-order.
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Current NCL (Picnic league) standing:

NameMatchesInnsNot OutRunsHSAve10050CtSt
Farhad Hossain (Rjshi)341382159 127.33 216
Jahurul Islam (Rjshi)341369139 123.00 216
Jubair Ahmed (Rjshi)118989 89.00 11
Abdur Razzak (Khul)1217474 74.00 10
Rezaul Karim (Chit)1217065*70.00 10
Asif Ahmed (Bar)24258121 64.50 23
Faisal Hossain (Chit)3529996 59.80 34
Shamsur Rahman (Dh)351220134 55.00 113
Sharifullah (Dh)34115756 52.33 21
Habibul Bashar (Khul)3629387 48.83 41
How could Farhad and Jaharul get out six times (caught) while batting only for four innings?
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Old February 2, 2010, 11:57 AM
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How could Farhad and Jaharul get out six times (caught) while batting only for four innings?
I think that's the number of catches they took, no?
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Old February 2, 2010, 12:07 PM
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I will not support bringing back Bashar. That will be a regressive step.

However, even until now, Bashar has been our best batsman, though others are catching up fast. I have always used Bashar as a kind of benchmark.

He is still the only batsman with a ratio better than 1/2 of 50+ scores in the number of tests he played. 27/50.

Junaid is the next best. I predict Mushfiq and Riyad will catch up soon. So will Tamim as soon as he gets rid of his "rush of blood".

Why is this ratio important ? It shows how reliable a batsman is to play a big innings. Ashraful's ratio as you would expect from his lack of reliability is less than 1/4 or 25%. So he needs to play at least 5 innings "on average" before you can expect him to score a 50. So given a "normal" Bangladeshi series of 2 tests [ 4 innings ], there is a more than 50% chance that Ashraful would not score a 50 !
He was until recently our premier batsman !!!

It tells you also Shakib's unreliability. Less than 20%. His manner of approaching an innings is very similar to Ashraful's. With the same consequence !
This is good analysis. Good work!

May I point out an aspect? Shakib should be compared differently with Ash and Tamim. Ash and Tamim is specialized batsman. Their role in the team is just batting and fielding. Shakib on the other hand has to concentrate on batting, fielding arrangement for every bowler as well as his, his bowling, opponents batting strategy. This responsibility does not allow him to concentrate on his batting alone. As a result his batting average will suffer. He may not be scoring 50 but he is taking 5 wickets. It happens to most of the Captain other than Ponting. Ganguly batting suffered, Bashar batting suffered after being captain. It was hard for both of them to gain the batting form back even after they are no longer captain. That does not mean they are lesser batsman now. They just need to find the form back.
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How could Farhad and Jaharul get out six times (caught) while batting only for four innings?
Its how many Catches they took
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How could Farhad and Jaharul get out six times (caught) while batting only for four innings?
lol, No. That is a stat they had catches for their team. Not getting out. Pretty decent fielders they are. That is all it says.
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I believe bashar scored a century in a ncl match. I strongly agree with the fact,its high time we bring him back to the xi. We realy need the service of inform bashar. And also give him back the test captaincy. Not only is he the best batsman of BD statisticaly, but also the best captain...

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Old February 10, 2010, 04:55 PM
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so do u think we should bring him back to test match or odi?
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Maybe he should lead the BCB XI in the 4-day match. If he can perform then I'll support his cause of a test recall.
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Maybe he should lead the BCB XI in the 4-day match. If he can perform then I'll support his cause of a test recall.
he should be included in that game captain or not... see how he does... We need to look for future and also do some stop gap fixes...
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Old February 10, 2010, 06:03 PM
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He's 38 years old, move on ... the reflexes, the hand eye. It's all gone

It's been gone since 2007.

Unless he's been working out like a mad man, doing unique excersies working the twich muscles to get his explosivness back.

You think he can bat for 2 hours w/o getting weary?

Bashar of the 2003-2007 cicua could take a short ball at 90 mph and do some damage

This Bashar wouldn't survive the 1st pull shot he's faced.

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Give him a try vs England in the practice, he deserves that much after that he should hand in his Retirement papers for the 2nd time to the BCB
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