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Old February 26, 2010, 04:10 AM
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Default Mohammad Shahzada

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/c...yer/56020.html

So when are we kicking Rubel out of the side and give this guy an opportunity? Just compare the FC records of Rubel and Shahzada, the selectors are dumb so are the BD fans for rating the below par Rubel so highly.
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Old February 26, 2010, 04:51 AM
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lol, this time what rubel has done wrong?

he just got 5 wkt few days ago

wrong time and wrong thread.

this shahjada/prince or rajputro------- will have to join in the long waiting list.
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Old February 26, 2010, 04:53 AM
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http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/c...yer/56020.html

So when are we kicking Rubel out of the side and give this guy an opportunity? Just compare the FC records of Rubel and Shahzada, the selectors are dumb so are the BD fans for rating the below par Rubel so highly.
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:01 AM
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lol, this time what rubel has done wrong?

he just got 5 wkt few days ago

wrong time and wrong thread.

this shahjada/prince or rajputro------- will have to join in the long waiting list.
Yeah and what a gorgeous five-fer it was!

O M R W Econ
29 1 166 5 5.72 (8nb, 3w)

8 nb and 3 wides and what a lovely economy rate, well that's just class by our standards isnt it?
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:17 AM
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lol, where do u get this shajada?

before him-- we have subhashis, talha, sajedul, emon, robin, rasel, alauddin babu,robiul islam shiplu.

and all of a sudden u bring shahzada and compare with rubel (to accomodate him we have to drop pacer like najmul and shahadat)

this shajada is not even in the top 20 bowler in NCL
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:18 AM
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:19 AM
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shahjada is decent player playing at the peak of his career.

rubel has just started his career, and has a lot of potential to go way way further than shahjada's reach.

rubel will show what he can be within the next one year.
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:41 AM
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He's 23 years old. Hardly at the peak of his career.
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:51 AM
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He's 23 years old. Hardly at the peak of his career.
some players, specially from subcontinent and specially from bd or pak peaks in 20-25 and then fades away

ash, aftab, kapali, nafees, rokon, opi, biddyut, sajal chowdhury......

then imrannazir, yasir hamid, wasti..... lots of examples.....
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Old February 26, 2010, 05:52 AM
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Rubel has the potential of becoming a speedster in BD team. we need real fast bowler.....not medium fast bowlers. What is Shahazada's average speed?
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The stats are certainly more than impressive. An average of 21 is impressive no matter what the competition. He may be given a chance.
But the thing with Rubel is, he is a very rare breed. A real pacer who knocks 90mph barrier very often. and has the potential to become one of the finest pacer in the sub continent. And for that he needs experience, and out domestic standard is not yet good enough to help groom world class players. That's why I think Rubel should be exposed to international cricket as it will help him grow.
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Old February 26, 2010, 06:24 AM
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we need more a or academy team tour
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Old February 26, 2010, 07:27 AM
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He's picked up a 6 fer just a few days ago in a match where 3-104 was the 2nd best bowling figures so that says something about him.

Ok I agree Rubel is probably only BD bowler who's got the ability to bowl 6 deliveries in an over @ 140-145 kph but then 'Pace is not everything' comes in to mind. Look at Kemar Roach, he looks a sensational bowler cause he broke Ricky's elbow but is he as effective as say Bollinger, Steyn or Zaheer Khan? Mohammad Aamer is probably the only bowler who uses his pace well and already looks like a star but Rubel is not even half a star.

What's the use of other bowlers performing regularly at the NCL and then guys like Rubel getting opportunities after averaging 150 in a season with the ball? Are the selectors nuts? It's not about pace and sheer aggression but it's about being effective and being able to pick up wickets/controlling the runs and imo Rubel fails at both.
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As far as I remember, Shahjada was tried in "A" team before and performed badly.
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Old February 26, 2010, 07:55 AM
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He's picked up a 6 fer just a few days ago in a match where 3-104 was the 2nd best bowling figures so that says something about him.

Ok I agree Rubel is probably only BD bowler who's got the ability to bowl 6 deliveries in an over @ 140-145 kph but then 'Pace is not everything' comes in to mind. Look at Kemar Roach, he looks a sensational bowler cause he broke Ricky's elbow but is he as effective as say Bollinger, Steyn or Zaheer Khan? Mohammad Aamer is probably the only bowler who uses his pace well and already looks like a star but Rubel is not even half a star.

What's the use of other bowlers performing regularly at the NCL and then guys like Rubel getting opportunities after averaging 150 in a season with the ball? Are the selectors nuts? It's not about pace and sheer aggression but it's about being effective and being able to pick up wickets/controlling the runs and imo Rubel fails at both.
so who got wickets against NZ, though he gave a lot of runs.

who got the figures of 4/33 against srilanka and won us the match, though it was shakibs innings that was more influential.

we have seen the likes of dollar mahmud and robin given the chance play for national team and just see the difference. the stats they have in national cricket doesnot replicate in international cricket.

all our bowlers, when they go to international arena goes for runs, specially pacers. because all of them are not consistent and pitch the ball way short or full, which is giving them wickets in domestic level but that goes for runs in international level.
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Old February 26, 2010, 07:59 AM
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rubel has shown he can trouble batsman with his bounce, his pace, his reverse swing. but every now and then he bowls a boundary ball. also i have seen in a match when he should have bowled yorkers ashraful was asking him to bowl bouncers and he was being pulled for 4s and 6s.

we have a great prospect in rubel, but we need to to grow him and use him properly.
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Old February 26, 2010, 08:04 AM
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As far as I remember, Shahjada was tried in "A" team before and performed badly.
He hasn't gone on any 'A' tours but he has played for BCB XI against some international touring side. Even if he underperformed, that counts as only one opportunity in which he failed but look at Rubel, he is failing all the time yet he's being given so many opportunities but we just don't realize how many games is losing for us with his undisciplined bowling as he manages to somehow make up for it with his quick bowling and win our hearts.
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Old February 26, 2010, 08:12 AM
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so who got wickets against NZ, though he gave a lot of runs.

who got the figures of 4/33 against srilanka and won us the match, though it was shakibs innings that was more influential.

we have seen the likes of dollar mahmud and robin given the chance play for national team and just see the difference. the stats they have in national cricket doesnot replicate in international cricket.

all our bowlers, when they go to international arena goes for runs, specially pacers. because all of them are not consistent and pitch the ball way short or full, which is giving them wickets in domestic level but that goes for runs in international level.
Those are just couple of performances. The five fer against NZ doesn't count really, it was just terrible. He was known as a very good OD bowler when he first came to the scene and he proved that against SL and then what happened? He was one of the main culprits for our exit from the T20 world in 2009 (Check his figures) Yes he did bowl with pace but he wasn't effective.

Statswise even Baisya and Jubair had better starts to their careers than Rubel. What really is the guarantee that he will turn into a great bowler one day even with coaching and stuff? Yes he can get good bounce and reverse the ball a little bit but he doesn't seem to be able to use it. He can improve on those but it will take him ages to improve on them as he is just another stubborn Bangladeshi seamer who just wants to spray the bowl around. How much time can we waste on his development or rather how many matches can we lose just for the sake of his development?
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As far as I remember, Shahjada was tried in "A" team before and performed badly.
You are remembering wrong matches then. Shahzada last played for the A-team back in 2006, against Zimbabwe, and did pretty well.

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I'm speechless by your demand! LOL
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You are remembering wrong matches then. Shahzada last played for the A-team back in 2006, against Zimbabwe, and did pretty well.

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archiv...07/107481.html
http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archiv...07/107482.html
Just look at those performances, they were 4 years and I still can't believe he hasn't played for Bangladesh and on the other hand, Rubel is being referrred as the pace sensation for no reason.

Screw the selectors.
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Stat-wise Halim Shah,Hasanuzzaman were one of the best...Why didnt we consider them?
If Rubel is a pace sensation with no reason according to u then except Mash nobody is a pace sensation in Bangladesh.
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so now my question, why u select rubel as the man to go out???

why not shafiul, is there a bowler on the wings who has played good for a long time, why our selectors are drafting in some one season wonders like shafiul, dollar,sajedul or robin ??? all of them got their chance with only one good seasons whereas shajada is being neglected for 4-5 years ?????
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Good point, but why Shahzada? There is Talha, AB and yes yes swing star Milon.
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He is a good bowler but the thing is he bowls too slow. 70-80MPH range.
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