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Old May 2, 2010, 08:48 PM
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Default Bangladesh will qualify if ...

IN the t20 wcup, Bangladesh have got their second and only match against Australia on the 5th ... I would have to be very optimistic to think of a win against a disciplined Oz bowling lineup, but even if it does happen , WE NEED TO WIN BY 9 RUNS OR MORE.

HOW NET RUN RATE AFFECTS:

Pakistan won by 21 runs against BD and lost by 34 runs against AU.

So their net run rate is : (21 /40) + ( -34 / 40 ) = -0.325

Now , Bangladesh lost by 21 runs against pak and if they win by 9 runs against australia,
their net runrate will be : ( -21 / 40) + (9/40) = - 0.3

Bangladesh will be ahead by 0.25 and will qualify for the second round.

To be the group champion ahead of AU, bangladesh will need to win by 28 runs .

In both the scenarios , Pakistan will be eliminated unless BD win by an unbelievably big margin ...

CM'ON TIGERS ... IF ZIM CAN DO IT , WE CAN DO IT !!
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Old May 2, 2010, 08:53 PM
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*waits for someone to come and say "it has already been discussed in the match thread" *
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Old May 2, 2010, 08:54 PM
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hey man it has already been discussed in the match thread.
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Old May 2, 2010, 08:55 PM
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From the match thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rupantor
CAR= Current Against Runs
PAUS = Prospective Austraia Score
PTAR = Prospective Total Against Run
ARR = Against Run Rate
CFR = Current For Runs
PBNG = Prospective Bangladesh Score
PTFR = Prospective Total For Run
FRR = For Run Rate
NRR = Net Run rate

CARPAUSPTAROVRARRCFRPBNGPTFROVRFRRNRR
172100272406.815110125238.83336.489276-0.31072
172105277406.92515110625738.8336.618083-0.30692
172110282407.0515111126238.8336.746839-0.30316
172115287407.17515111626738.8336.875595-0.2994
172120292407.315112127238.8337.004352-0.29565
172125297407.425151126277397.102564-0.32244
172130302407.55151131282397.230769-0.31923
172135307407.675151136287397.358974-0.31603
172140312407.8151141292397.487179-0.31282
172145317407.925151146297397.615385-0.30962
172150322408.05151151302397.74359-0.30641
172155327408.175151156307397.871795-0.30321
172160332408.3151161312398-0.3
172165337408.425151166317398.128205-0.29679
172170342408.55151171322398.25641-0.29359
172175347408.675151176327398.384615-0.29038
172180352408.815118133239.166678.476596-0.3234
172185357408.92515118633739.166678.604255-0.32074
172190362409.0515119134239.166678.731915-0.31809
172195367409.17515119634739.166678.859574-0.31543
172200372409.315120135239.166678.987234-0.31277


Based on the above,
(a) If Australia score in the range of 100 - 120, we have to chase it in 18.5 overs
(b) If Australia score in the range of 120 - 175, we have to chase it in 19.0 overs
(c) If Australia score in the range of 175 - 200, we have to chase it in 19.1 overs
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Old May 2, 2010, 08:57 PM
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oops , sorry bro , i didnt see at first ...
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there is nothing called group champion.

bangladesh seeded A2, pakistan seeded A1

if aus qualifies they will be seeded the team they will replace.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinslayer
IN the t20 wcup, Bangladesh have got their second and only match against Australia on the 5th ... I would have to be very optimistic to think of a win against a disciplined Oz bowling lineup, but even if it does happen , WE NEED TO WIN BY 9 RUNS OR MORE.

HOW NET RUN RATE AFFECTS:

Pakistan won by 21 runs against BD and lost by 34 runs against AU.

So their net run rate is : (21 /40) + ( -34 / 40 ) = -0.325

Now , Bangladesh lost by 21 runs against pak and if they win by 9 runs against australia,
their net runrate will be : ( -21 / 40) + (9/40) = - 0.3

Bangladesh will be ahead by 0.25 and will qualify for the second round.

To be the group champion ahead of AU, bangladesh will need to win by 28 runs .

In both the scenarios , Pakistan will be eliminated unless BD win by an unbelievably big margin ...

CM'ON TIGERS ... IF ZIM CAN DO IT , WE CAN DO IT !!

thanks bro. i would not see it if u wouldnt open this match thread. no body has time to read whole match thread. so i think we should be thankful to u.

hope BD can win against aussie. we need this win desperately.

i believe if we play this line up, we will have chance of winning

tamim
jahurul +/naeem
ashraful
aftab
shakib
mashrafe
mahmudullah
shafiul (in 20/20 he can hit better than others)
naeem/ jahurul
shuvo/razzaq
rasel/rubel

out---mushfiq, imrul
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Old May 2, 2010, 10:32 PM
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for God's sake, if we want to win, we have to keep mushfiq out and keep one spinner from razzaq or shuvo--no need for both
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Old May 2, 2010, 11:11 PM
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Thanks to Australia, the equation is scarily simple for us. Win batting second, almost regardless of the margin and we are through. Win batting first only by 10 runs, and we are through. I guess if we can win the game, we will win it by 10 runs or with at least 4-5 balls remaining. Lets see if we can win it.
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Well to begin with... why the hell they put BD in the same group as Australia and Pakistan? All are getting free pass except BD.. this is not fair...
Next.... it is very possible to win against Australia, Zimbabwe did it, but deep down, our players do not have faith on themselves and therefore we will loose against Australia. BD, now has faith only against Zimbabwe and we play really well against them. It is all about faith, courage and determination. Hopefully in next time....
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Old May 2, 2010, 11:21 PM
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Talk about faith...... When Ashraful and Shakib played really well against Pakistan... all let loose .....for some unknown reason, they felt that they could not win against Pakistan. In the next match Ash and Shakib will probably fail but some other 2 players will get the team to a decent score, but still will loose.
In order to win.. you need to both "perceive and believe." Need a sports psychologist? perhaps....
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if pakistan are out of the group bd are automatically 'A1' here is link http://www.cricinfo.com/world-twenty...ew=pointstable
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Old May 3, 2010, 12:07 AM
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for God's sake, if we want to win, we have to keep mushfiq out and keep one spinner from razzaq or shuvo--no need for both
the main reason for shuvo is batsman

and we cudve possibly put dhiman ghosh in instead of jahurul (the other keeper) but he hasnt kept yet so we dont know how good he is, i mean c'mon if we reach the finals and mushy gets injred who's our back-up
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Old May 3, 2010, 12:19 AM
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if pakistan are out of the group bd are automatically 'A1' here is link http://www.cricinfo.com/world-twenty...ew=pointstable
Not Really.
Pakistan is A1 and Bangladesh is A2 by seeding. If any of these teams fail to qualify for Super-8, then the non-seeded team that knocks out the seeded team will get the knocked out teams position. So, If Bangladesh is knocked out by Australia, then Australia will be A2. Remember, based on last years tournament performance, Australia is the non-seeded team in this group.

Here is the excerpts from Cricinfo which is directly copied from the tournament by-laws:
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If the top two seeded teams do qualify they will be seeded in position 1 and 2 as specified regardless of whether they finish first or second in their group, unless they are knocked out by team 3 in their group. In this instance, team 3 replaces the position of the team they knock out. For example, Pakistan are designated A1 and Bangladesh A2 in their group. If they both qualify then, regardless of who wins the group, Pakistan will go into Group E and Bangladesh Group F. If, however, Australia qualifies instead of, say, Bangladesh, they will take their designation as A2 and move into Group F.
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This is going to be a killer. It all comes down to AUS and BD to see if PAK or BD will go ahead. IMHO if I was in AUS's shoes, I would loose the match on purpose (makinf sure the RR is healthy enough for them) and eliminate PAK by default (if RR permits) because honestly who are we kidding, passing to round 2 will do very little for us. In that case, Aus will have one less T20 bully team to look after later on (which would also shut some PAK fans up XD)...

But hey dreams can only last in fantasy land ...
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Well to begin with... why the hell they put BD in the same group as Australia and Pakistan? All are getting free pass except BD.. this is not fair...
Next.... it is very possible to win against Australia, Zimbabwe did it, but deep down, our players do not have faith on themselves and therefore we will loose against Australia. BD, now has faith only against Zimbabwe and we play really well against them. It is all about faith, courage and determination. Hopefully in next time....
We would have gotten a free pass too had we not lost to Ireland in the last tournament getting knocked out in the very first round! No one else is to blame ...

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the main reason for shuvo is batsman

and we cudve possibly put dhiman ghosh in instead of jahurul (the other keeper) but he hasnt kept yet so we dont know how good he is, i mean c'mon if we reach the finals and mushy gets injred who's our back-up

i saw his keeping in PCL, not so bad, his batting in 20/20 is better than mushfiq, i guess. mushfiq is great in test and ODI. 20/20 is not his style.

shuvo is more of a bowler and ideal for longer version. his batting is slow and not suitable for 20/20. aftab is 1000 times better choice than shuvo in batting

i think mushfiq should be back up keeper, if juhurul get injured.
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Bangladesh will qualify if Australia is kind enough and bowl Brad Haddin instead of other pacers...
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No Merrcy Needed. Australia should come out with all guns blazing and we should win only if we deserve so by performing against the best. May the best teams qualify for the super-8s.
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there is nothing called group champion.

bangladesh seeded A2, pakistan seeded A1

if aus qualifies they will be seeded the team they will replace.
u r right , my bad !

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thanks bro. i would not see it if u wouldnt open this match thread. no body has time to read whole match thread. so i think we should be thankful to u.

hope BD can win against aussie. we need this win desperately.

i believe if we play this line up, we will have chance of winning

tamim
jahurul +/naeem
ashraful
aftab
shakib
mashrafe
mahmudullah
shafiul (in 20/20 he can hit better than others)
naeem/ jahurul
shuvo/razzaq
rasel/rubel

out---mushfiq, imrul
u welcome bro ..

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for the statisticians.

plz tell me such a scenario where bangladesh can win in such a handsome margin that, the aussies run rate will drop behind pakis and pakistan and BD will qualify.

the reason i want to know this is if the margin is not unrealistic then aussies wont be complacent. but if its an unrealistic margin than we may see aussies take the game a bit easy.
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