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Old July 23, 2018, 10:44 AM
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Default Bangladesh A team: Ireland Tour

The Itinerary of the Ireland tour of Bangladesh A team has been announced.


01 August 2018 1st One-day Match Oak Hill CC, Co. Wicklow 3:45pm

03 August 2018 2nd One-day Match Oak Hill CC, Co. Wicklow 3:45pm

05 August 2018 3rd One-day Match Oak Hill CC, Co. Wicklow 3:45pm

08 August 2018 4th One-Day Match The Hills CC, Dublin 3:45pm

10 August 2018 5th One-Day Match Clontarf CC, Dublin 3:45pm

13 August 2018 1st T20 Match Clontarf CC, Dublin 9pm

15 August 2018 2nd T20 Match Clontarf CC, Dublin 9pm

17 August 2018 3rd T20 Match Malahide CC, Dublin 9pm


Bangladesh A team:

Mominul Haque (ODI Captain),Soumya Sarkar (ODI Vice captain, T-Twenty captain), Najmul Hossain Shanto, Fazle Mahmud, Afif Hossain, Khaled Ahmed, Shoriful Islam, Al Amin, Zakir Hasan, Naeem Hasan, Sunzamul Islam, Nurul Hasan, Saifuddin, Mizanur Rahman, Saif Hasan, Taskin Ahmed.

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Old July 23, 2018, 11:22 AM
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Mishu should have been there. He didn' t get a single game vs SL A either despite being on the standby list for Windies tour. what the heck is going on with him?
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Old July 23, 2018, 11:23 AM
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And we need a wrist spinner! every other team will have one at the world cup.
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Old July 23, 2018, 11:27 AM
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No more holidays for Shafiul.
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Old July 23, 2018, 12:27 PM
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The selection above tells you there is not really any vision from BCB in practice with our bench.

The Mominul that is tagged as a test specialist now will captain an ODI series away.

For Irish condition, Zahurul, Ash, Nayeem, Tushar all could be considered based on their experience.

Also Nafis could be considered for his ability to trouble associates.

Why Tasking for T20s? What has he done phenomenal in BPL compared to Abul?

Where is Ariful!?

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Old July 23, 2018, 01:29 PM
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Jahirul, Ash, Naeem are all 2010. Outdated. Tushar is even worse, 2005 era player.

Mominul, Shanto, Shorif are all good picks. Ideally Shanto should play in this ODI series vs WI.
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Old July 23, 2018, 02:18 PM
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What did Taskin do to get a chance in the List A game over the likes of Qazi Onik, Robiul Haque who had very impressive domestic form?

Oh and List A teams should only have players who are deemed having a chance for the national team. No one cares about the results but rather use it as a platform to improve oneself and showcase themselves for the national team. So, Ashraful, Tushar, Nafees shouldn't get a chance.
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Old July 23, 2018, 04:40 PM
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Yeah shanto should play the WI ODI series, agree with that. Also agree Mishu should be there but at least shoriful is getting consistent A games and experience at a higher level than domestic, he should be ready to move to the senior team sooner if they keep doing this, I just hope they properly workout which formats are for him and which aren’t.
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Old July 23, 2018, 09:20 PM
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Excited to see Momin, Soumya, and Shanto in the team. I hope those three will use this tour to stake claims for slots in the ODI team for WC'19.

I sincerely hope Taskin has sufficiently recovered from his back injury for this tour.
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Old July 23, 2018, 10:18 PM
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Excited to see Momin, Soumya, and Shanto in the team. I hope those three will use this tour to stake claims for slots in the ODI team for WC'19.

I sincerely hope Taskin has sufficiently recovered from his back injury for this tour.
Shanto should be in the ODI senior team. And given a long run. In case he doesn't pan out, the A team should used to figure out who Shanto's replacement should be as a last minute WC19 squad member. Whether Momin, Soumya, Sabbir, or someone else.

But I think Shanto is too good to struggle especially given we play a lot of games against weak sides (5 more vs WI, 1 vs an Associate, 3 vs ZIM, 2 vs AFG, 4 vs IRE). In fact, we only play 3 ODIs against a good team (in NZ) before the WC. Which is good. 2006 we played minnows and had a good WC in 07. 2014 we blasted ZIM and then had a good 2015 WC.

We need the confidence.
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Old July 24, 2018, 11:49 AM
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Ireland squad announced

Andrew Balbirnie (capt) (Pembroke), Peter Chase (Malahide), David Delany (Clontarf), George Dockrell (Leinster), JJ Garth (Pembroke), Shane Getkate (Instonians), Tyrone Kane (Merrion), Graham Kennedy (Ballyspallen), Andrew McBrine (Donemana), Barry McCarthy, (Durham), James McCollum (Waringstown), James Shannon (Instonians), Simi Singh (YMCA), Harry Tector (YMCA), Stuart Thompson (Eglinton), Lorcan Tucker (Pembroke)

Very excited for this series, has been a glorious summer here in Ireland so far (went over a month with no rain which is virtually unheard of) so hoping the weather can allow most of these matches to go ahead without issue. A very young bowling line up which I am very excited to see because it definitely has talent if a bit raw. Garth is only 16 IIRC and a leg spinner, Delany 19 and can clock nearly 90mph (radar still needs tuning though). McCollum coming off of a very impressive domestic season and winter down in Grade Cricket in Australia.

Cant wait tbh! Dont expect BD A to lose any games because you seem to have selected a very strong team but individual performances are what I'll be looking for.
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Ireland is a very good cricket team. I hope to see some good cricket between these two teams. It's all about enjoying the game and being a good athlete and a sportsman.
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Old July 24, 2018, 07:28 PM
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Looking forward to this series. A chance for some of the young guys to get used to European conditions. I expect a competitive series as we are typically woeful in this conditions.
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Old July 25, 2018, 09:02 AM
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You do not use A team for developing players or as an High Performance squad. You use your A squad as a backup for national team.

Look at this below link for one of our successful campaign against sub-continental A teams. Notice the structure of A teams of different opponents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E...C_Quadrangular
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Old July 25, 2018, 03:53 PM
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Old July 25, 2018, 04:50 PM
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You do not use A team for developing players or as an High Performance squad. You use your A squad as a backup for national team.

Look at this below link for one of our successful campaign against sub-continental A teams. Notice the structure of A teams of different opponents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E...C_Quadrangular
Players should be improving no matter the level so the word development should be relevant at all levels imo.

The job of the A team should primarily be to get the next in line players ready for international cricket, that means get them playing in conditions that are outside of home and against better quality opposition than they are used to so they are learning to play in different conditions and also getting a look at better competition to have a even better idea of where they are at and how they need to improve. Especially for BD because the domestic quality is so far different to international cricket, it doesn’t make sense to not use it to help develop players.

Even in the national team players work on parts of their game.

Of course ideally A team players should be ready for international cricket but tbh that’s not a realistic approach (even for top teams). Each player is different, some get fast tracked, some don’t. A player like Prithvi Shaw, getting fast tracked and doing great, some can’t manage that so they have to have a different path and different approach.
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Anyone think they could’ve sent towhid? Done really well so far in list A’s, got a ton in u19 WC. Why the heck is fazle mahmud in the squad?
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Old July 29, 2018, 10:38 AM
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Anyone think they could’ve sent towhid? Done really well so far in list A’s, got a ton in u19 WC. Why the heck is fazle mahmud in the squad?
Fazle is a great inclusion, top run getter in domestics
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I have no idea how Jahurul is doing these days, but the guy did very well in whatever opportunities he got.

Too bad he was suddenly overlooked despite performing like Syed Rasel.

I still believe had Jamie Siddons didn't ditch Rasel for his own personal disliking, Syed Rasel would still be a fabulous ODI and T20I containing bowler.

And Jahurul could have been groomed to be a good no 4.
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Fazle is a great inclusion, top run getter in domestics
He is too old to get an ODI debut. Our domestic players mostly need some time to get used to international cricket and giving someone who is over 30 his debut at that age isn't a good idea.
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Jahirul, Ash, Naeem are all 2010. Outdated. Tushar is even worse, 2005 era player.
Exactly. Those players are unlikely to even make the national team again in their career. What's the point playing them at all.

Instead would be more important playing young players who have a chance of making the national side (esp. for the CWC 2019 and beyond), to test their skills on similar conditions to the World Cup.
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If you organise lots of A tours and pick lots of young players then those young players will be better prepared once they hit the national team.
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You cannot just come in and put the “outdated” tag on some players.

Think rationally. Which age group is performing well in matches? Is that experience only? No. I believe this particular batch had the proper training and learning methods which let this particular generation of cricketers keep contributing so late in the career.

The next generation simply lacks the skillsets - their upbringing did not get proper methodology. Their technique insufficient, only shines in one areas. A lot of them came and faded away. Few of them sustained but only for specific formats, not much because of their performance more because we could not develop better replacement for that role.

What I think the Ash-Shakib generation (since 2007 WC) is the best we could get, the most capable generation. We still have time to utilize this crop of players and gain something internationally.

Once they are gone I have really little hope to be able to gain anything after 5 years from now once they start to retire fully.
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You cannot just come in and put the “outdated” tag on some players.

Think rationally. Which age group is performing well in matches? Is that experience only? No. I believe this particular batch had the proper training and learning methods which let this particular generation of cricketers keep contributing so late in the career.

The next generation simply lacks the skillsets - their upbringing did not get proper methodology. Their technique insufficient, only shines in one areas. A lot of them came and faded away. Few of them sustained but only for specific formats, not much because of their performance more because we could not develop better replacement for that role.

What I think the Ash-Shakib generation (since 2007 WC) is the best we could get, the most capable generation. We still have time to utilize this crop of players and gain something internationally.

Once they are gone I have really little hope to be able to gain anything after 5 years from now once they start to retire fully.
What you say about the future could become a very real thing if BCB don’t find a group of youngsters to fill the gaps that will be left, and let’s be honest there are plenty of other gaps/issues to fix up aside from filling the void which will be left when shakib, tamim and mushy retire.

My hope lies in the current age group 18-22, the problem with the crop that are about mid 20s now is that even if they have not reached the big 3 level yet then they should’ve shown something significant even if it’s a bit inconsistently but they haven’t really got anything to show for their opportunities.

I posted recently how between them (liton, sabbir and soumya) they’ve got 30 or 31 tests and there is not even one century in there and barely any half centuries.

Just to compare mominul has played a handful of less innings but has 6 tons and 12 half centuries, the 3 of these together have 11 half centuries and 0 centuries between them.

Shows how much of a keeper mominul is.
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If the Irish weather service are correct the second innings tomorrow will be rain interrupted, first innings should be fine though and should get a result in.

Cant wait for these games. With the senior side aging I'd almost say I look forward to A team fixtures more as gives an idea to the future. Expecting BD A to win this series easy enough though tbh.
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