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Old June 19, 2010, 01:24 PM
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Default RaQibul Hasan The Man Behind 2009 - 2010 Bangladesh Campaign Success



we tend to forget!!! why we have won so many games when RaQibul Hasan was in the ODI team? the answer is simple, without Raqibul Hasan, Shakibul hasan won't be able to make a good partnership which will allow him to score a half century or even a century. lets put it this way, the best pair who plays similar to shakibul and also has the similar average in ODI is obviously Raqibul Hasan.

and when shakibul plays well by the support of RaQibul Hasan, we have seen in last year 2009 how the lower order troubled many bowlers. I would really like to see Raqibul hasan to be back in the team to give the extra partnership which bangladesh are in serious need of.

leave your comment on do we need raqibul hasan even if he takes time to make runs?
my answer is yes becuase then this will allow us to go beyond 200 runs and give little chance to our bowlers to do something. instead of being all out within 200 runs.
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Old June 19, 2010, 01:28 PM
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what success ur talking about?? losing every single game is a success?


and pls spell the players name correctly.thanks

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I definitely want to see Roqibul Hasan back in the team..I have 2 agree that he has done himself no good 2 pull off all this drama..by now he could've still been on the team since he was supposedly playing tests against England..we have to forget what he did though because he was important to our ODI team..ya he's a sluggish batsman who doesn't look attractive at all with his style but we desperately need a player that can chip in with partnerships with players like tamim and shakib..I know Zimbabwe is a minnow but he did have the 2nd highest average in each of those series and we all know that Zimbabwe is not really as bad as we think they are anymore..his average against the top 8 teams is also not bad compared to his teammates..also he had a bad series in the tri series and after that he got dropped for aftab and everyone knows what happened after that..when we had roqibul we really didn't have a hard time hitting 50 overs but now its becoming very tough..I say we bring him back for ODIs..
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since his return from retirement he has done nothing .... .... and why should we bring a player back who has done nothing.

let him go back in domestic. needs to have an average of 70+ in FC and 35+ in list A (with 75 SR). he should be capable of this.

then may be we can consider him again.

at this moment only two batsman from the squad may deserve a drop ... ... naeem and ashraful. and we can bring nazimuddin, shahriar nafees, nasir hossian or shamshur rahman shuvo.
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i reckon we should try shuvagoto, at least in one-dayers, maybe shabbir but shuvagoto would be my first pick. naeem imo has been ruined by management, he was clearly a middle order batsman who was forced to play the role of a last few overs slogger/bowling allrounder and now his mentality is completely screwed up. i can't stand watching a talent like naeem get ruined like this, begining to think he'd be better off out of the team, play s.shuvo in his spot as a bowling allrounder.

ash definitely should be dropped, played for nearly a decade and still isn't improving to the standard required, time to move on.

as far as raqibul goes, his weakness of not sighting the ball early enough has been massively exposed, i don't know how he can fix that but if he can't he's not going to be much use to us.
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Old June 19, 2010, 09:49 PM
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WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT? Where do you get these stupid ideas from? You didn't even spell his name right. Rakibul Hasan has not done anything at all to get a call back. Everyone seems to be aware of that but you.
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since his return from retirement he has done nothing .... .... and why should we bring a player back who has done nothing.

let him go back in domestic. needs to have an average of 70+ in FC and 35+ in list A (with 75 SR). he should be capable of this.

then may be we can consider him again.

at this moment only two batsman from the squad may deserve a drop ... ... naeem and ashraful. and we can bring nazimuddin, shahriar nafees, nasir hossian or shamshur rahman shuvo.
Well in tests yes those players are better except nasir but for ODIs roqibul is a better player..let's stick 2 List A's though..roqibul has an average of a 34.16, SN a 31.04 Nazimuddin a 24.69, Shamsur a 24.5, and Nasir a 38.25..

If you want 2 look at the A team stats Nazim did the best and rest looked average/below average..Shamsur was horrible in those OD matches..Nasir is way 2 young, so from those players I would take either SN, Roqibul or Nazim..difference with roqibul between those 2 though is that he proved to be more successful against the top teams then the other 2..if it was me I think roqibul should get the nod but it's up 2 the selectors of course..
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i reckon we should try shuvagoto, at least in one-dayers, maybe shabbir but shuvagoto would be my first pick. naeem imo has been ruined by management, he was clearly a middle order batsman who was forced to play the role of a last few overs slogger/bowling allrounder and now his mentality is completely screwed up. i can't stand watching a talent like naeem get ruined like this, begining to think he'd be better off out of the team, play s.shuvo in his spot as a bowling allrounder.

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I agree that Naeem is just wasted by the team management, he has good enough technique to play in the top 6. I believe his mindset is being severely damaged and he will end up being a specialist no. 8. I sincerely hope that does not happen. If you want to improve the batting of the team, make sure the top 6 scores, don't bring in a batsman at no. 8 and hope that he scores.
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i reckon we should try shuvagoto, at least in one-dayers, maybe shabbir but shuvagoto would be my first pick. naeem imo has been ruined by management, he was clearly a middle order batsman who was forced to play the role of a last few overs slogger/bowling allrounder and now his mentality is completely screwed up. i can't stand watching a talent like naeem get ruined like this, begining to think he'd be better off out of the team, play s.shuvo in his spot as a bowling allrounder.

ash definitely should be dropped, played for nearly a decade and still isn't improving to the standard required, time to move on.

as far as raqibul goes, his weakness of not sighting the ball early enough has been massively exposed, i don't know how he can fix that but if he can't he's not going to be much use to us.
The thing that bothers me of naeem is that he did get some chances of playing a pretty long innings but he played very sluggishly and eventually getting out..some games he did get and he ended up scoring very few..he ended up even opening once and he got out in a very unresponsible manner..I actually thought when the team needed quick runs he was a very good player..when you get limited chances you really do have to capitalize..I agree though that he needed 2 get more chances at the top to see what he's got but just wanted to point out that he came in at times when the team needed him to rebuild the innings and he played sluggishly like roqibul..

Your definitely spot on with Roqibul and that's why he's not ready for test cricket..even for ODIs that limitation will hurt him but hopefully he improves and I'm confident he can..I think he doesn't sight the ball early enough because hes just not up to pace with the best bowlers..but once its mediocre bowlers he plays comfortably..I think with time he will improve..
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Well in tests yes those players are better except nasir but for ODIs roqibul is a better player..let's stick 2 List A's though..roqibul has an average of a 34.16, SN a 31.04 Nazimuddin a 24.69, Shamsur a 24.5, and Nasir a 38.25..

If you want 2 look at the A team stats Nazim did the best and rest looked average/below average..Shamsur was horrible in those OD matches..Nasir is way 2 young, so from those players I would take either SN, Roqibul or Nazim..difference with roqibul between those 2 though is that he proved to be more successful against the top teams then the other 2..if it was me I think roqibul should get the nod but it's up 2 the selectors of course..
i agree with u except i think raqibul should not be called up now. he should go back to domestic score heavily and fight his way back. until then the names i mentioned could get a look in suitable formats
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The thing that bothers me of naeem is that he did get some chances of playing a pretty long innings but he played very sluggishly and eventually getting out..some games he did get and he ended up scoring very few..he ended up even opening once and he got out in a very unresponsible manner..I actually thought when the team needed quick runs he was a very good player..when you get limited chances you really do have to capitalize..I agree though that he needed 2 get more chances at the top to see what he's got but just wanted to point out that he came in at times when the team needed him to rebuild the innings and he played sluggishly like roqibul..

Your definitely spot on with Roqibul and that's why he's not ready for test cricket..even for ODIs that limitation will hurt him but hopefully he improves and I'm confident he can..I think he doesn't sight the ball early enough because hes just not up to pace with the best bowlers..but once its mediocre bowlers he plays comfortably..I think with time he will improve..
i am aware of what you are saying about naeem, my point is i think that him being made to play as a #8 and a bowling allrounder has had a bad influence on his attitude when going into bat. this is a young player we are talking about, early on in his career and i'm beginning to think that playing him as a #8/bowling allrounder rather than a top 6 batsman like he should be, has had a bad influence on his mental development as a batsman.

like you said he's had chances to rebuild and play longer innings and we know he's capable of playing long grafting innings as well as quickfire innings so i'm thinking it's the mental development that isn't being handled properly which is what is causing his attitude issues when it comes to batting.

that's why i said maybe it's better off he's not in the team, personally i want him developed more as a batsman than allrounder, if he's going to bat at #8 and it's having a bad effect on his development then i don't want him playing in the team, i just don't want him ruined, he's got too much potential.
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i am aware of what you are saying about naeem, my point is i think that him being made to play as a #8 and a bowling allrounder has had a bad influence on his attitude when going into bat. this is a young player we are talking about, early on in his career and i'm beginning to think that playing him as a #8/bowling allrounder rather than a top 6 batsman like he should be, has had a bad influence on his mental development as a batsman.

like you said he's had chances to rebuild and play longer innings and we know he's capable of playing long grafting innings as well as quickfire innings so i'm thinking it's the mental development that isn't being handled properly which is what is causing his attitude issues when it comes to batting.

that's why i said maybe it's better off he's not in the team, personally i want him developed more as a batsman than allrounder, if he's going to bat at #8 and it's having a bad effect on his development then i don't want him playing in the team, i just don't want him ruined, he's got too much potential.
I have to agree with the part of playing him in the top 6 or don't play him at all..this is where we were just playing a batsman too many..we just had so many batsmen stacked up in our batting lineup..having 8 batsmen is way too much..naeem should've been tried out at #3 when ash was struggling big time there..ash should've been dropped and then we could've played shuvo down at naeems spot..having imrul and tamim as openers, followed by naeem, roqibul, mushy, mahmud and shakib wouldv've made a lot more sense..I agree we cannot ruin a talent like him but its happening to a lot of our players..thats where our domestic setup comes in but thats a whole different issue which I should not get in to in this thread..I really like Naeem a lot and him laying as a top order batsman in the A team would've been better for him rather then sitting on the bench in England or playing #8 in ODIs..
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i think very soon we must find a spot for naaem in the top 6. looks like junaid is gonna fight for 3. ine that case this could be it

tamim, imrul, junaid, naeem, mushfiq, mahmudullah, shakib

if naeem fails then let him go back to domestic. i am sure he will score heavily at 4/5 and then bring him back at 4/5.

i think by playing him at 8 we have damaged his confidence. he needs t regroup it.

its different when u come at 20 overs when team has lot 3 wicket than team has lost 7 wickets. naeem has the habit of coming to bat when 3 wickets down than build and finish not when 7 wickets down.
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Guys , do you see bangladesh ever going to win a match?? next year, 2 years maybe?

in childhood, i had a policy, i simply didnt want to play with someone who i cant beat. i think Bd needs to go back playing fiji and bermuda and refuse to play G8; even zimbo, kenya and afganistan too good for us.
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All we need in the ODIs is one/two player(s) like Rock or JO to bat 50 overs.
Our fulbabus think they are international level heroes in the begining of every recent ODIs, when games end they find out, hopefully, they are simply bums.
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i think very soon we must find a spot for naaem in the top 6. looks like junaid is gonna fight for 3. ine that case this could be it

tamim, imrul, junaid, naeem, mushfiq, mahmudullah, shakib

if naeem fails then let him go back to domestic. i am sure he will score heavily at 4/5 and then bring him back at 4/5.

i think by playing him at 8 we have damaged his confidence. he needs t regroup it.

its different when u come at 20 overs when team has lot 3 wicket than team has lost 7 wickets. naeem has the habit of coming to bat when 3 wickets down than build and finish not when 7 wickets down.
I really think Zunaed should be our #3 now..in tests he's been very successful at that spot and I think he has the temperament and skill 2 play at #3 in ODIs..ash has already proved 2 be a failure at that spot and now it seems he's lost that spot..plus zunaed and tamim have gotten very important partnerships together..
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He has to learn how to behave as an international cricketer. International cricket just give a dam to those who think without them the team cannot run.

The way he retired is never acceptable. He was supposed to be kicked out from all level because we do not want our young generation to learn that kind of idiotic attitude from him. He was lucky that BCB allowed him to play in domestic cricket. If he does something significant there than it can be discussed.
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I really think Zunaed should be our #3 now..in tests he's been very successful at that spot and I think he has the temperament and skill 2 play at #3 in ODIs..ash has already proved 2 be a failure at that spot and now it seems he's lost that spot..plus zunaed and tamim have gotten very important partnerships together..
i also mentioned it befoe we must have the same top 3/4 in tests and odi
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I really think Zunaed should be our #3 now..in tests he's been very successful at that spot and I think he has the temperament and skill 2 play at #3 in ODIs..ash has already proved 2 be a failure at that every spot and now it seems he's lost that spot..plus zunaed and tamim have gotten very important partnerships together..
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haha well your very right about that beshideshi..ash should just be gone..
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i think very soon we must find a spot for naaem in the top 6. looks like junaid is gonna fight for 3. ine that case this could be it

tamim, imrul, junaid, naeem, mushfiq, mahmudullah, shakib

if naeem fails then let him go back to domestic. i am sure he will score heavily at 4/5 and then bring him back at 4/5.

i think by playing him at 8 we have damaged his confidence. he needs t regroup it.

its different when u come at 20 overs when team has lot 3 wicket than team has lost 7 wickets. naeem has the habit of coming to bat when 3 wickets down than build and finish not when 7 wickets down.
spot on!but what is it with shakib and his batting?i am getting really worried about him.is it the combined pressure of captaincy and an all-rounder of the team or has he started to turn smug?
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only solution at this moment-- for 20/20 and test----------nazimuddin, faisal, shuvagoto, sabbir

ODI--- rokibul,sabbir, anamul
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only solution at this moment-- for 20/20 and test----------nazimuddin, faisal, shuvagoto, sabbir

ODI--- rokibul,sabbir, anamul
I think shabbir and anamul should definitely be considered for T20's but not ODIs..we should be a little patient with them before we consider them for ODIs..shuvagoto should definitely be given chances in our teams now..Nazim as well and I know your a big fan of Faisal but T20's wouldn't be a good idea in my opinion..test team seems like the only place for him..rokibul is a definite for our ODI team but not tests yet..
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