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Old October 15, 2010, 04:01 PM
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Default What do we have to do get some respect?

Former Black Caps coach blames senior players for failure

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/...rs-for-failure

Updated at 7:11pm on 15 October 2010
"The former New Zealand Cricket coach Warren Lees is blaming the Black Caps senior players for the side's failure in Bangladesh.
The Black Caps have become the first test playing nation to lose a one day series to the minnows of world cricket, after going down by nine runs in Mirpur last night.
Lees says skipper the top order of Brendan McCullum, Ross Taylor, Jesse Ryder and skipper Dan Vettori need to take repsonsiblity for scoring runs.
He says while Kane Williamson's effort in becoming the youngest batsman to score a one day century for New Zealand should be applauded, those types of performances are a bonus.
Lees says the top order should be cashing-in in Bangladesh as the Black Caps are better players, but they appear to lack any sense of a plan when they're batting and they've simply been beaten by a more disciplined side."

Factually wrong and does not give the respect where it is due!
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:06 PM
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Technically, they are stronger than us and should have won the series. There's no reason why they shouldn't feel ashamed of themselves. Just as we should be ashamed of losing to the Netherlands, no matter how well they played. If we're better than them on pen and paper, we should beat them in reality, no excuses.

From New Zealand's POV, they've sunk to a new low and it doesn't matter that we played well, because they should have played better than us.
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:08 PM
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Latecut vai, I think you are overreacting TBH. We already have earned many people's respect, but not everyone's opinion will change overnight.
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:23 PM
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technically, this is not disrespect.

had we beaten bermuda, the bermudan coach/skipper would have said the same thing i.e "our top order didn't score as they should have and our bowlers didn't put the ball in the correct areas".

disrespect is if after this NZ balks at playing us, or if anyone of their establishment questions our place.

disrespect would be to blame lack of practice matches (when they got to play on the match wickets, totally over-riding the practice match shortfall) or talk about missing some players (since we've already beaten them with their missing stars, and have stars missing ourselves).
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:35 PM
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Warren Lee makes sense. NZ has gone from a solid ODI outfit (I believe they had the opportunity at one point to be number 1 if they could beat AUS 3-0 in a series) down to #7. Uptill now BD had not done anything to suggest that we were more than a once in a blue moon winner. From a Kiwi perspective, they need to to analyze what went wrong.

Maybe they'll bounce back like we did after losing to NED and IRE.
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:37 PM
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We are doing what we need to, win games.
Fair and simple.
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:44 PM
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Agree with Mr. Asif said. They have every right to be upset. We might not take this as a surprise (even though some of us were not expecting a series win), as we know our teams capability, but to them, it's a shocker.

If we lose to Zim today (Allah na koruk) we would be disgusted and embarrassed.
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Old October 15, 2010, 04:46 PM
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And we can merge this thread with NZ newspaper thread
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:29 PM
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How about this maybe we were to good for the new Zealand team n the black caps tried there best however our players are simply better then them, it's the least the players deserve after a great performance.

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Old October 15, 2010, 05:53 PM
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How about this maybe we were to good for the new Zealand team n the black caps tried there best however our players are simply better then them, it's the least the players deserve after a great performance.

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How about you say the same thing about our losses against IRE & NED?
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:55 PM
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How about you say the same thing about our losses against IRE & NED?
He wouldn't be entirely wrong if he did.
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:57 PM
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He wouldn't be entirely wrong if he did.
I guess so.
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Old October 15, 2010, 05:59 PM
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Make it 4-0 and shout their mouth

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Old October 15, 2010, 06:00 PM
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Make it 4-0 and shout their mouth

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there you go!
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Old October 15, 2010, 06:09 PM
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To earn respect, we need to get India to agree to play against us. It's actually harder than beating their team.
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Old October 16, 2010, 02:31 AM
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Do it again and again .... they will run short of words and finally come back to appreciate Bangladesh.
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Old October 16, 2010, 02:46 AM
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Old October 16, 2010, 07:46 AM
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hold it here guys,we didn't lose to netherlands or ireland 3 times in a row whereas nz lost 3 times in a row.they couldn't have had 3 bad days in a row,could they?
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Old October 16, 2010, 07:52 AM
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^exactly sis. And when their captain said we were better and showed them how to dominate in every department then i really don't care about some jodu, modu, kodu...

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Old October 16, 2010, 08:07 AM
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Lol who cares? Why do we need to earn their so-called "respect"? Their humiliation is enough respect as it is. Seriously, the Zimbabwe series will be more interesting than this. Their batsmen will cope much better than NZ could.
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Old October 16, 2010, 08:08 AM
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To earn respect, we need to get India to agree to play against us. It's actually harder than beating their team.
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Old October 16, 2010, 09:48 AM
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Who gives a sh!t about what they say?

One can see the fear in their eyes or the trembling of their fingers. That's all we need. A pat in the back, saying "well played", is what we get after an honourable defeat. Remember, winners can afford charity, losers can not.
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Old October 16, 2010, 10:21 AM
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I think you cant just earn respect overnight. You have to be consistent enough to get that. One series win is just not enough to consider us a big team. Its a fact. If BD can win few overseas series things will be different. But good days are knocking on the door
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Old October 16, 2010, 10:53 AM
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i think in cricket world, people only remember win

how many times, we had close contest with top ranked team and couldnt win but cricket countries think we are not capable of

this series win is a definitely an answer to all those so called critics:

some known bangla basher: david hook, ken rutherford (NZ), marvan atapattu, (basit ali, saqlain mustaq, javed miandad from pakistan)
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Old October 16, 2010, 11:38 AM
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Lee is simply explaining - why we lost against Netherlands and...I don't even recall the other nation.
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