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Old November 2, 2010, 04:58 PM
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Exclamation Junaed Sidique & Jahirul Islam to learn pace bowling !

Not sure whether it is a good idea ??? My suggesion would be to concetrate on what you do the best.

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Pont tries batsmen in seam bowling
Safin Hassan
Ian Pont, the fast-bowling coach of the Bangladesh national cricket team, took an initiative to produce seamers out of the batsmen to give the Tigers more bowling options.
After having a look into his arsenal, Pont urged all of his batsmen, who have bowled seam sometime in their career to come forward as Bangladesh are desperately in need of all-rounders, who can also bowl seamers (pace).
‘Today we started the process and we have all the fast-bowlers in. We have two of the batsmen coming in as well bowling pace. We are thinking of a couple of batsmen who might know how to bowl pace as well. We are just giving everyone the chance to learn how to increase their speed,’ Ian Pont said after a practice session.
Junaed Sidique, who used to bowl pace when he was young, joined Pont’s group of pace bowlers and went in for training. Jahirul Islam was also tried out for pace bowling.
‘I used to bowl pace when I was a kid. I am not certain what I can do but I will give it a go and see what happens,’ said Junaed after the practice session.
Pont, also widely known for his slow delivery, showed the pacers different grips and how to increase speed.
‘I think fast bowlers have an idea about the slow ball. I also introduced them to some other grips,’ Pont said.
Nazmul Hossain, known for his slow deliveries and responsible for orchestrating the first win against New Zealand in October, is looking to increase his speed.
‘I can bowl slow and I have proved it. I usually bowl between 129kmph and 132kmph,’ the coach said. ‘If I can deliver my regular balls between 135kmph and 136kmph, then my slow balls will be even more effective,’ Nazmul said.





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Old November 2, 2010, 05:05 PM
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Very good idea. Both Junaed's and Jahurul are tall. As long as they can ball at 70 to 75 MPH with seaming condition they can pick up cruicial wicket. Its just gives our team an extra option when things are not going well.

Look at Paul Collingwood for example. I know he used to bowl faster when fast played for England than what he does now but now days he just bowls slow medium pace and still picks up wicket.
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Old November 2, 2010, 05:11 PM
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India have many examples of batsmen bowling medium pace and picking up vital wickets while frontline pacers were struggling. This is certainly a good initiative from Pont.

This should also help the Test team where medium pacers can bring some variations and give specialist bowlers some breaks.
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Old November 2, 2010, 05:25 PM
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India have many examples of batsmen bowling medium pace and picking up vital wickets while frontline pacers were struggling. This is certainly a good initiative from Pont.

This should also help the Test team where medium pacers can bring some variations and give specialist bowlers some breaks.
first name that will come out of my head is...Shaurav Ganguly.

Was not Mohinder Amarnath also a medium pacer?
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Old November 2, 2010, 05:49 PM
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Excellent move by Pont.

Now, Jahurul and Junaid got an excellent chance to make up their batting with some economical bowling. Raqibul should be jealous now....
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Old November 2, 2010, 05:55 PM
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IMO, this is a positive move, as long as they are not much stressed with that to forget their main duty.

Not pace, not even the variation of pace; but nagging line and length should be the key. It is not easy to hit a line-and-length medium pacer on a slow wicket. They can easily frustrate the batsmen.

Anyone remembers Aftab's 5 wickets?
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Old November 2, 2010, 06:00 PM
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good move, but they should focus on batting.

but its a good move because when the main bowlers struggle or need a break, these two can bowl and hopefully make vital breakthroughs, not because they've bowled well, but because the sight of part-timer can induce even the most experienced batsman into playing loose shots.
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Old November 2, 2010, 06:43 PM
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These two are really tall I won't be surprised if they bowl faster then our pace bowlers!!! But yea I think it's a good move something different in the team is all ways good however they need to focus more on there batting.

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Old November 2, 2010, 06:59 PM
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pace bowling puts a lot of strain on the body, especially if you havent bowl in a while. I know where pont is trying to go with this, but everyone involved has to be careful.

Pont is a professional and i hope he understands this.
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Old November 2, 2010, 07:17 PM
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pace bowling puts a lot of strain on the body, especially if you havent bowl in a while. I know where pont is trying to go with this, but everyone involved has to be careful.

Pont is a professional and i hope he understands this.
depends on how fast he wants them to bowl. But I think we are looking a 75 to 80 MPH. Should not be a problem.
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Old November 2, 2010, 07:24 PM
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Not the right time. We should be working on winning a series and more importantly preparing for the World Cup. This will just distract the players.
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Old November 2, 2010, 07:26 PM
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very soon nujaid and jahurul may turn out to be bowling all rounders ..... or may be nothing or may be good all rounders
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Old November 2, 2010, 08:28 PM
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Not the right time. We should be working on winning a series and more importantly preparing for the World Cup. This will just distract the players.
On contrary, I think this is the perfect time to try out something new, especially in the Zimbabwe series as that's our last international schedule before WC. Right now, our middle over bowling is entirely dependent on spinners. India, England, SA, and even WI has few good batsmen who, once settled, can exploit this weakness well. Having some variations in bowling should make us less vulnerable.

Have you read Tendulkar's recent interview? To him, Cronje was the hardest bowler to figure out. That's the kind of difference often occasional medium pacers can bring.

I am really glad Pont is not an one-dimensional thinker like Siddons is.
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Old November 2, 2010, 08:35 PM
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His dedication to Pace Bowling is remarkable, I read the piece they did on him in DS or newage talking on How he wants more w/ the Pacers but DPL wasn't going to make this possible.

If your the BCB I compensate the Bowlers the equivalent of one DPL Season if they spend that time working w/ Pont, for someone like Rasel who gets paid pennies by DPL sides it be better of for him to stop bowl slow and see if he can bowl around the 80mph mark like he used w/ that his old Accuracy and Swing.

If Mashrafe really want to be Captain and show some leadership qualites, work with Pont make your self better theres going to be 10-15 more DPL's for him and he's got KKR money
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Old November 2, 2010, 08:42 PM
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^^ I don't see why BCB should pay them extra, considering the amount of money they already get from BCB and amount of gift they recently received from the government. BCB have all the rights to ask national players to skip DPL. Unfortunately, BCB got too many directors from Dhaka clubs who won't let that happen.
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Old November 2, 2010, 10:15 PM
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Best move made by any of our coaches. It won't hurt. Learning new things is not a bad thing. We have seen many bowlers get turned into batsmen, why not other way around. And this way they will learn about the bowlers and what's their thought process, which will help them with their batting.

This sorts of innovations comes around in all sports. This is nothing new, and nothing wrong with it.
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On contrary, I think this is the perfect time to try out something new, Cronje was the hardest bowler to figure out. That's the kind of difference often occasional medium pacers can bring.

I am really glad Pont is not an one-dimensional thinker like Siddons is.
Awesome Post! Nicely summed up!
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His dedication to Pace Bowling is remarkable
He was even in the US to teach fast bowling
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LOL. More pacers in the subcontinent? They rather be part time spinners than seamers. It's better if he just helps the strike bowlers improve their bowling.
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Old November 2, 2010, 11:09 PM
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I have no problem with him doing this, but he is only here for 6 months. He needs to spend as much time as possible with the bowlers. So I think its best if he focuses on our strikes bowlers only. Its ok to give them some tips so they can try it out on their own, but I hope they are actually not going to start practicing in the nets.
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LOL. More pacers in the subcontinent? They rather be part time spinners than seamers. It's better if he just helps the strike bowlers improve their bowling.
See the thing is, more often than not we will play with 2 pacers, and the bowling can become tediously one dimensional in the middle overs, so it's good to have a couple of options who can bowl some cutters to just change the pace and maybe disturb the rhythm of the batsmen. I think it will be good to have a back up plan, just in case.
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Old November 2, 2010, 11:21 PM
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See the thing is, more often than not we will play with 2 pacers, and the bowling can become tediously one dimensional in the middle overs, so it's good to have a couple of options who can bowl some cutters to just change the pace and maybe disturb the rhythm of the batsmen. I think it will be good to have a back up plan, just in case.
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Old November 2, 2010, 11:27 PM
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LOL. More pacers in the subcontinent? They rather be part time spinners than seamers. It's better if he just helps the strike bowlers improve their bowling.
Paks are also part of subcontinent. So that statement only applies to India. I won't add Bangladesh, because I am biased and we got Pont for Shafi and Rubel and both are capable of bowling at or over 150mph
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Old November 2, 2010, 11:38 PM
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At least someone's thinking outside the box. But being the losers that our batsmen are, I wouldn't be surprised if they fail miserably like dogs in the streets.

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Old November 3, 2010, 01:12 AM
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Trying to make some part time pacer is not a bad idea by Pont.But first we need to make seam friendly wicket.BCB need to be carefull about it.We never offer pace friendly wicket,Ash and Riyad catagory bowlers become strike bowler in our domestic,bowler like Mosharof Rubel or Enam jn gets more payment than leading bangladeshi pace bowlers from the domestic teams.Every year Russel and Shahadat struggle to get a team in domestic.This type of problem need to be solved very quickly.
Actually we need to offer good fast and seaming wicket to our pacebowlers to encourage them.
I am sure all this spin friendly wickets will never be able to produce good quality pacers.All setup here encourage players to bowl spin ball.We need to break this situation.

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