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Old October 30, 2016, 10:12 PM
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Bangladesh squad for NZ 2016 tour, via Aus:
3 T20, 3 T20I, 3 ODI, 2 Tests


Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Soumya Sharkar

Mominul Haq
Sabbir Rahman
Mahmudullah Riyad
Mosaddek Hossain

Shakib al Hasan
Nasir Hossain
Mehedi Hasan

Mushfiqur Rhaim
Liton Das

Taijul Islam

Mashrafee Mortaza
Taskin Ahmed
Mustafizur Rahman
Al-Amin Hossain
Rubel Hossain
Mohammad Shahid


× Firstly, I'd tour with the whole squad together, like England did, instead of bringing in the Test players before the start of the Test series. Our test players don't get the exposure as it is and they could use a couple of extra weeks.

× Do we need a second specialist spinner in these conditions? Probably not. Shak, Taijul, Mizzy, Nasir is more than enough. Who is in the pipeline? What's going on with Gazi and Jubair? I hope selectors don't stuff the squad with spinners based on Eng home series. Channel vs Eng @ Adelaide instead.

× Will Fizzy and Shahid be fit and ready by then? Where's Robiul? One of those two workhorses is a must.

× I'd be tempted to, but I still wouldn't debut Taskin in Tests yet. Instead bring back Al-Amin and Rubel. Fizz, Rubel, Shahid, Mizzy, Shak is a handy test attack.

× Will Rubel and Nasir make the cut? Even tho, these two (and Al to some extent) are the least likely ones in my preferable squad to make the official cut, they'd be the key players to destroy the weak links we have currently. Rubel would be a killer in those conditions (check highlights/stats). Nasir would bring balance, stability in our current weak tail and has the experience of playing in those conditions over his "compition." This is where the selection panel will win or lose the close games! Beyond the obvious picks.

× Went with backup WK Liton. But should it be Nurul? They'd both help with backing up the short list of openers but LDK likely to get exposed. Or will it be the perfect time to give Anamul Haq another shot, given his U19WC MVP record there and a redemption in Aus/NZ after an injury that took him out in CWC15? (back up, not start)


All eyes would be on how well we can tackle the away conditions; naysayers are sniffing for a chance to come out of the woodwork (even tho all teams are crap away). We finally have the experienced and established batsmen who can handle those conditions and young fast bowlers to exploit those conditions. Celebrate the historic day, but it's also time to look ahead and discuss our first away tour since CWC15!

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Old October 30, 2016, 10:15 PM
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Default Squad NWZ: NO WEAK ZONE

Here are my possible XI's based on my squad

T20I
  1. TIK
  2. SS
  3. Ro
  4. Shak
  5. LDK+
  6. Mos
  7. Nas
  8. Mash
  9. Al
  10. Task
  11. Fizz
Note: no Mullah/Mush in T20

ODI
  1. TIK
  2. Imu
  3. Ro
  4. Mullah
  5. Mushy
  6. Shak
  7. Nas/Mos
  8. Mash
  9. Task
  10. Fizzy
  11. RBX/Al
Note: Nas or Mos, not both, based on form. If Mos, Juls as 2nd spinner for RBX/AL.

TEST
  1. TIK
  2. Imu
  3. Mini
  4. Mush
  5. Shak
  6. Mullah
  7. LDK+
  8. Mizzy
  9. RBX/AL/Juls
  10. Shahid
  11. Fizz
Note: Mush moves up, gives up keeping to LDK, Mullah drops back to his specialty.


Discuss!

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Old October 30, 2016, 10:21 PM
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Sprinkle Anamul in there somewhere...
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Old October 30, 2016, 10:24 PM
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The real test begins in roughly two months time. What do you guys think of the squad composition for ODIs and Tests? Which are the new players we should take on-board? Do we include Miraz in the ODI lineup? if so then who sits out?

Other big questions for me is can Soumya find some form from now until the tour or perhaps in the tour games? Which are the players that will shine in NZ conditions? How many spinners and pacers should we take? lets discuss

ODIs

1st ODI: New Zealand v Bangladesh at Christchurch on Dec 26, 2016
(11:00 local | 22:00 GMT | 05:00 ICT)

2nd ODI: New Zealand v Bangladesh at Nelson on Dec 29, 2016
(11:00 local | 22:00 GMT | 05:00 ICT)

3rd ODI: New Zealand v Bangladesh at Nelson on Dec 31, 2016
(11:00 local | 22:00 GMT | 05:00 ICT)

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1st T20I - New Zealand v Bangladesh
McLean Park, Napier
Tue Jan 3, 2017 (20 ovs) 15:00 local (02:00 GMT | 09:00 ICT)

2nd T20I - New Zealand v Bangladesh
Bay Oval, Mount Maunganui
Fri Jan 6, 2017 (20 ovs) 15:00 local (02:00 GMT | 09:00 ICT)

3rd T20I - New Zealand v Bangladesh
Bay Oval, Mount Maunganui
Sun Jan 8, 2017 (20 ovs) 15:00 local (02:00 GMT | 09:00 ICT)

Tests
1st Test - New Zealand v Bangladesh
Basin Reserve, Wellington
Thu Jan 12 - Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:30 local (21:30 GMT -1d | 04:30 ICT)

2nd Test - New Zealand v Bangladesh
Hagley Oval, Christchurch
Fri Jan 20 - Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:30 local (21:30 GMT -1d | 04:30 ICT)
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Is this our first Boxing Day tour ever ?
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Old October 30, 2016, 10:33 PM
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Add another test match...organizers...

No fifties will come from Williamson.

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ODI and T20 squad selection might be affected by BPL performance. Just 1-2 spots though
Test, well its New Zealand so seaming conditions but I wont try to do what England did and failed. We gotta play to our strength. I would pick an extra seamer but wont overload the squad with them.

My squad for tests,
Tamim
Imrul
Mominul
Riyad
Shakib
Mushy
Mosaddek
Miraz
Shohid
Shuvashish
Mustafiz

Reluctant to play a full time spinner as we already have Shakib and Miraz. But also want to have a 3rd option who cant bat. Sabbir doesnt cut it for me. He may have a future in test cricket but for now his batting alone is hard to justify his slot. Pace attack looks good enough to me. I would have Sabbir, Al Amin and Liton as backups. No place for Soumya, Hom, Rabbi, Shafiul, Mosaddek could also be subbed in for Nasir if selectors dont want to push the new kid under the bus this early
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Old October 30, 2016, 10:38 PM
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Thanks for the thread, very well organized thoughts.

My ODI XI

Tamim
Kayes
Soumya
Anamul(wk)
Shakib
Sabbir
Mahmudullah
Miraz
Mashrafe (c)
Taskin / 2nd Choice: Nasir/ 3rd Choice: Mossadek(if pitches offer more turn)
Mustafiz


My Text XI

Tamim (c)
Kayes
Mominul
Liton (wk)
Shakib
Sabbir
Mahmudullah
Nasir/ 2nd Choice:Mossadek (on rotation, unless a fantastic performance by choice no. 1)
Miraz
Shahid/ 2nd Choice: Roy /3rd Choice: Al Amin (on rotation, unless a fantastic performance by choice no. 1)
Mustafiz

My T20 XI

Tamim
Kayes
Soumya
Anamul (wk)
Shakib
Sabbir
Mahmudullah
Nasir
Mashrafe (c)
Taskin / 2nd Choice: Mossadek(if pitches offer more turn)
Mustafiz
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Add another test match...organizers...

No fifties will come from Williamson.

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I will wear a lungi to office if this comes true.

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Are they taking Rubel with them to the bottom of the world ?
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I will wear a lungi to office if this comes true.

You heard it here first
Prepare well, iron it...gotta impress the boss.

Williamson is a broken man at the moment, after 79 two days ago
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In terms of pace bowlers... I am definitely in favor of Rubel as the third pacer behind Fizz and Taskin for ODIs. Rubel bowled very well in Australia and there is no reason why he wouldnt be effective on this tour.

Miraj needs to improve a lot more with the bat before we can consider him for ODIs. Our ODI team needs all rounders more than specialist off spinners. So he might have to make way for somebody like Shabbir or Nasir. Ducket got underneath his deliveries quite comfortably so it also remains to be seen if Miraj can keep it tight in ODIs.
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Tests:

Mohammad Shohid with his nagging line and length may come handy in NZ conditions. for Tests, We must include 3 seamers and only two frontline spinners.

Test XI:

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Mominul
4. Riyad
5. Rahim(wk)(c)
6. Shakib
7. Sabbir
8. Miraz
9. Taskin
10. Mustafizur
11. Mohammad Shohid

backups: Mosaddek Hossain, Nasir Hossain, Al amin Hossain, Soumya Sarkar, Abu Hider Rony, Rubel Hossain, Litton Das(wk), Shuvagoto Hom


ODI XI:

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Sabbir
4. Riyad
5. Rahim
6. Shakib
7. Mosaddek
8. Miraz
9. Mashrafee(c)
10. Mustafizur
11. Taskin

Standby: Nasir Hossain and Soumya Sarkar

T20 XI:

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Anamul Haque Bijoy/Soumya Sarkar
3. Sabbir Rahman
4. Shakib al Hasan
5. Mushfiqur Rahim(wk)
6. Mahmudullah Riyad
7. Alok Kapali
8. Mashrafee Mortaza
9. Al Amin Hossain
10. Mustafizur Rahman
11. Taskin Ahmed

Standby: Mosaddek Hossain, Soumya Sarkar, Mehedi Hasan Miraz, Nasir
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Good problem to have: Headache for selectors and team management for ODI selection. Either Nasir, Mosaddek or Miraz sits out.
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^ I'm afraid that BCB will have same squad for t20 and odi to save money. They ain't sending 2/3 players for t20 for sure...

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Thanks for the thread, very well organized thoughts.
Thanks. I try.

I like that you put Mullah at the bottom. I'd prefer that too, but only in Test. He's rep with the tail is very good. And I miss the days when he threw a fit against batting at the top and we wanted him to play at the top. He was reluctant to leave his comfort zone.

In LOI he's not a very good closer. And he's a slow LOI batsman, slow for this era. I'd rather he replicate what he did in CWC15 at 4. And NZ 2010 in Test at 7.

So Sabbir and Mullah swaps in between forms.

LOL and I see you completely got rid of Mushy's existence. Be realistic. There's no way they're getting rid of him after this series
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Tests:

Mohammad Shohid with his nagging line and length may come handy in NZ conditions. for Tests, We must include 3 seamers and only two frontline spinners.

Test XI:

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Mominul
4. Riyad
5. Rahim(wk)(c)
6. Shakib
7. Sabbir
8. Miraz
9. Taskin
10. Mustafizur
11. Mohammad Shohid

backups: Mosaddek Hossain, Nasir Hossain, Al amin Hossain, Soumya Sarkar, Abu Hider Rony, Rubel Hossain, Litton Das(wk), Shuvagoto Hom


ODI XI:

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Sabbir
4. Riyad
5. Rahim
6. Shakib
7. Mosaddek
8. Miraz
9. Mashrafee(c)
10. Mustafizur
11. Taskin

Standby: Nasir Hossain and Soumya Sarkar

T20 XI:

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Anamul Haque Bijoy/Soumya Sarkar
3. Sabbir Rahman
4. Shakib al Hasan
5. Mushfiqur Rahim(wk)
6. Mahmudullah Riyad
7. Alok Kapali
8. Mashrafee Mortaza
9. Al Amin Hossain
10. Mustafizur Rahman
11. Taskin Ahmed

Standby: Mosaddek Hossain, Soumya Sarkar, Mehedi Hasan Miraz, Nasir

My XI for test and odi is exactly as yours
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I see you guys going with Roy. Where's that coming from? Why Roy? What's he done?

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ODI and T20 squad selection might be affected by BPL performance. Just 1-2 spots though
Test, well its New Zealand so seaming conditions but I wont try to do what England did and failed. We gotta play to our strength. I would pick an extra seamer but wont overload the squad with them.


Reluctant to play a full time spinner as we already have Shakib and Miraz. But also want to have a 3rd option who cant bat. Sabbir doesnt cut it for me. He may have a future in test cricket but for now his batting alone is hard to justify his slot. Pace attack looks good enough to me. I would have Sabbir, Al Amin and Liton as backups. No place for Soumya, Hom, Rabbi, Shafiul, Mosaddek could also be subbed in for Nasir if selectors dont want to push the new kid under the bus this early
Our implying our strength is spin? Because until recently, we became the only Asian team, 2nd to Pak, to have pace attack me our strength and played 4 pacers. It all started in Aus/NZ conditions too. Then we brought that culture down to Mirpur and you know the rest of that story. I quite like that story. I hope we don't change that set up just because Streak is gone.

Also where's Sabbir? What he do wrong? Another vital player in CWC.
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Are they taking Rubel with them to the bottom of the world ?
They better be. But I doubt they would. Check my 5th-x point.
That's the only place I'd rate him with/ahead of Taskin.
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ODI and T20 squad selection might be affected by BPL performance. Just 1-2 spots though
Test, well its New Zealand so seaming conditions but I wont try to do what England did and failed. We gotta play to our strength. I would pick an extra seamer but wont overload the squad with them.

My squad for tests,
Tamim
Imrul
Mominul
Riyad
Shakib
Mushy
Mosaddek
Miraz
Shohid
Shuvashish
Mustafiz

Reluctant to play a full time spinner as we already have Shakib and Miraz. But also want to have a 3rd option who cant bat. Sabbir doesnt cut it for me. He may have a future in test cricket but for now his batting alone is hard to justify his slot. Pace attack looks good enough to me. I would have Sabbir, Al Amin and Liton as backups. No place for Soumya, Hom, Rabbi, Shafiul, Mosaddek could also be subbed in for Nasir if selectors dont want to push the new kid under the bus this early

You wanna throw Mosaddek against the likes of Boult, Hanry, Southee and Wagner in a swing condition when he clearly has a problem with Seam bowlers?

That will destroy his tets career so better continue with Shabbir...
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Good squads Rifat.. no passengers in any of those squads. Special like for the selection of Alok Kapali.... which is bound to raise some eye brows in BC hahaha.
I would disagree only with Mosaddek for ODIs because he didn't strike me as a power hitter that is required at 7. I would rather go with Soumya since his medium pacers could also be handy in NZ.
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^ Plus Sabbir actually played in those conditions. Couple of 40's in that WC, played with solid technique.
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T20s
1. Tamim
2. Anamul
3. Sabbir
4. Shakib
5. Riyad
6. Nasir
7. Soumya
8. Mehedi/Mosaddek
9. Mash
10. Taskin
11. Mustafiz

ODIs
1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Riyad
4. Mushfiq
5. Shakib
6. Sabbir
7. Mosaddek
8. Nasir/Mehedi
9. Mash
10. Taskin
11. Mustafiz

Tests
1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Mominul
4. Riyad
5. Shakib
6. Mushfiq
7. Sabbir
8. Mehedi
9. Shahid
10. Taskin
11. Mustafiz
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Test

tamim
kayes
Momin
mushfiq
mahmudullah
shakib
mosaddek
Miraz
Mustafiz
Alamin
shahid


extra: sabbir/nasir, Rubel, Liton Das, Rokibul



ODI


Tamim
Kayes
Sabbir
mahmudullah
shakib
Mosaddek
anamul/nurul
Miraz
mashrafi
Mustafiz
Taskin


Extra: soumya, alamin, Rubel, Anamul/Nurul, nasir


T20

Tamim
Soumya
sabbir
mahmudullah
shakib

Nurul (WK)
kapali
mashrafi
taskin
mustafiz
alamin


extra: anamul, Zia, Nasir, Muktar ali
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You wanna throw Mosaddek against the likes of Boult, Hanry, Southee and Wagner in a swing condition when he clearly has a problem with Seam bowlers?

That will destroy his tets career so better continue with Shabbir...
thats why I said, he can be subbed with Nasir if the selectors dont want to risk it...Mosaddek played u19 in away conditions. so its not like he is a complete amateur at it.
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