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January 23, 2011, 05:49 PM
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Solving the problem of Wildcard slot...
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January 23, 2011, 06:02 PM
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I see Gopal has not yet finished his post, but just thought I should mention this - we previously thought Ashraful can be solution for other positions too ie opening or one-down, where he will have license to hit over the top. But Ashraful remained Ashraful - a dead weight who delivers only once in a blue moon.
Anyway, to be honest, I am also looking forward to see how the latest experiment with Ash may turn out (provided Siddons too is thinking about using him at #7).
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January 23, 2011, 06:21 PM
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BTW, looking at the stats, Mahmudullah does not look so bad, at least in our standard.
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January 23, 2011, 06:25 PM
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^Ya riyad's stats don't look bad at all compared to our standards
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January 23, 2011, 06:37 PM
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Mahmadullah is a really good find for Bangladesh Cricket, but I think he is better away from home?
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January 23, 2011, 06:43 PM
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Ash show us if you are better than Pathan - win it against India and claim your position 
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January 23, 2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Banglaguy
Mahmadullah is a really good find for Bangladesh Cricket, but I think he is better away from home?
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You may have a point there. Lets look at stats for leading #7s on Asian grounds, for last three years (excluding stats against Zimbabwe and associates) -
If you compare him with Akmal, Pathan, Afridi, and Razzaq, his SR certainly looks very poor. But then again, Mahmudullah may have been more concerned about surviving till 50 overs (which is still a big concern for our team) as opposed to making maximum use of last ten overs.
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January 23, 2011, 07:08 PM
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You may have a point there. Lets look at stats for leading #7s on Asian grounds, for last three years (excluding stats against Zimbabwe and associates) -
If you compare him with Akmal, Pathan, Afridi, and Razzaq, his SR certainly looks very poor. But then again, Mahmudullah may have been more concerned about surviving till 50 overs (which is still a big concern for our team) as opposed to making maximum use of last ten overs.
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His strike rate is poorer at home and so is his average..
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January 23, 2011, 07:09 PM
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Hehehehe! Eshen bhai apnee jokhon amake Gopal bole daken ki apon amar mone hoy!  Money hoy ami jotoi gadhami korina ken amar kache bondhu hishabe apnee thakben abong proyojoney hemlock gile khaben amake rokha korar jonno! Go Eshen bhai!  Go Bangladesh!  Go Riyad!  Go Ashraful! 
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January 23, 2011, 07:11 PM
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Okay going back on topic: Mahmudullah said he's working on big shots. Has there been any evidence of it in premier league? Shastri said Riyad is solidly built and should definitely move up the order. He has got strong wrist and can play the big shots.
On the other hand, Ashraful though has poorer shot selection has more variety in his shots. If he concentrates he can manipulate the field easily during PP overs.
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^^ Zeeshan bhai, tomar post pore khub moja pai, ar tai tomare khub pochhondo kori. Tobe hemlock-er dhare kachhe ami nai :-)
About Mahmudullah's average, I don't think it has to do so much with home or away, everyone's averages (including that of Tendu) comes down when you filter out stats against Zimbabwe and associates.
His SR stays pretty much same in both cases - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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Ashraful still leads the #7 slot in terms of batting average despite not being playing at that position enough
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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January 23, 2011, 07:23 PM
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Riyad has the build to be a big hitter. When he's in form he can play shots once he spends time at the crease. I just feel that he's not capable of hitting a 10 ball 20 or even a 20 ball 30. He needs more balls to play before he can start hitting. I believe naeem even though is better when he spends a long time at the crease, is capable of playing quickfire innings. I believe naeems better at #7 then riyad. Ash could be a good #7 but its still a big risk. You just don't know what to expect from ash and that from a #7 even isn't good. Also in england once he played down the order, he wasn't very impressive. So I think naeem could be the best man as of now at the #7
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January 23, 2011, 07:33 PM
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If you look at our stats at Bangladesh only, for last three years, against top 7 (WI has not visited us in the period). Mahmudullah looks quite good, in comparison with other Bangladeshi batsmen (from all positions).
On the other hand, Ashraful's average looks good too, but SR is very poor!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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January 23, 2011, 08:03 PM
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Here is Ashraful's stats on home grounds against top 7, in DW era and JS era.
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| Span | Mat | Inns | NO | Runs | HS | Ave | BF | SR | 100 | 50 | 0 | 4s | 6s | DW Era
| 2004-2007 | 13
| 13 | 0
| 272
| 64
| 20.92 | 368
| 73.92 | 0
| 2 | 0
| 29
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| 2008-2010 | 14 | 14 | 2 | 377 | 75 | 31.41 | 578 | 65.22 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 30 | 1 |
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
As you can see, his average has been raised significantly under JS, though his SR has fallen. But in general, he can't be considered a destructive batsman in mold of Pathan or Afridi.
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^Good find Eshen bhai. Just curious what would your squad be if you decide to put Riyad at #7?
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^^ You mean the playing XI?
To be honest, I am having a hard time to make up my mind, so don't be surprised if I change my team couple of weeks later. Right now, this looks like a good team to me, for a traditional Mirpur or Chittagong wicket.
Tamim (auto choice)
Imrul (sheet anchor)
Shahriar (better fit for low-slow wickets than Zunaed is)
Mushfiq (has to fit him somewhere)
Shakib (auto choice)
Naeem (need him for his bowling, may be he will do better with bat if given a proper batting position)
Mahmudullah (looks like the best we got for #7)
Shafiul (has high potential as a late order batsman)
Abdur Razzak (auto choice)
Rubel (auto choice)
Suhrawadi (or Nazmul, in the match against India)
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i want ash for no. 7. u just cant judge someone from 3 innings.
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January 23, 2011, 09:34 PM
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mismanagement of ashraful has cost us a fair bit. utlimately ash has himself to blame, but mismanagement has meant that we haven't utilized him maximally. thats pretty bad because his max isn't very high.
case in point. if ash comes back and plays at 4...regardless of whether he's successful or not, its an asanine move by the coach/captain/selections/whoever is in charge.
first he can't make the XI, struggles to get into the XV for NZ series. and then he comes in and is batting at 4??? only in Bangladesh.
a rookie or struggling player needs to spend lots of time down the order before they can move to an important position like no 4 or no 3.
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January 23, 2011, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Eshen
^^ You mean the playing XI?
To be honest, I am having a hard time to make up my mind, so don't be surprised if I change my team couple of weeks later. Right now, this looks like a good team to me, for a traditional Mirpur or Chittagong wicket.
Tamim (auto choice)
Imrul (sheet anchor)
Shahriar (better fit for low-slow wickets than Zunaed is)
Mushfiq (has to fit him somewhere)
Shakib (auto choice)
Naeem (need him for his bowling, may be he will do better with bat if given a proper batting position)
Mahmudullah (looks like the best we got for #7)
Shafiul (has high potential as a late order batsman)
Abdur Razzak (auto choice)
Rubel (auto choice)
Suhrawadi (or Nazmul, in the match against India)
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I would go for a similar this line-up to this with the only change being Zunaid retaining his number 3 position as he has put in some good performances the past 12 months in this position. Shariar would be my first choice replacement if Zunaid (or Imrul, Naeem, Riyad) under perform in the first 3 games. But I have no problem and can see why some people would pick Shariar as first choice. Also I would have Shafiul coming in at number 8 if it is near the end of the innings so around 42+ overs, anytime before that I would choose Shuvo to come in before him.
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Mashrafi's stat looks the best fit...20+ average with a strike rate over 150... better than any of the current three we are discussing...
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Originally Posted by Eshen
^^ You mean the playing XI?
To be honest, I am having a hard time to make up my mind, so don't be surprised if I change my team couple of weeks later. Right now, this looks like a good team to me, for a traditional Mirpur or Chittagong wicket.
Tamim (auto choice)
Imrul (sheet anchor)
Shahriar (better fit for low-slow wickets than Zunaed is)
Mushfiq (has to fit him somewhere)
Shakib (auto choice)
Naeem (need him for his bowling, may be he will do better with bat if given a proper batting position)
Mahmudullah (looks like the best we got for #7)
Shafiul (has high potential as a late order batsman)
Abdur Razzak (auto choice)
Rubel (auto choice)
Suhrawadi (or Nazmul, in the match against India)
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3 batsman, 4 (mini) allrounder, 2 pacer, 1 spinner, 1 wkt. Thats not how a team is made. we need at least 5 batsman, 2 allrounder, 2 pacer, 1 spinner, 1 wkt, lets start like
1) Tamim 2) Imrul 3) SN 4) Rakibul / Junaid 5) Mushfiq 6)Sakib 7)Ashraful 8) Mahmudullah / Naeem 9) Shafiul 10) Rubel 11) Razzak
If we depend on more spinner then one, then we have to cut one batsman, include another mini allrounder who can bowl well, bat a little. then no. # 7 will be that. after that if we like to play ashraful, then we have to cut the # 4 postion batsman, whether he play at # 4 or # 7, what do u guys think ??
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Average doesn't always give you the true picture IMO. Imrul might have better average than Tamim but he cant win or save matches as Tamim does. In Mahmudulla's case his average looks healthy because he stays not-out most of the times. And he pays so selfishly, doesn't take any risk at all. It is acceptable when the top order fails and we have risk of not being able to play 50 overs. But in many instances top order made a good start but Mullah and Nayeem couldn't capitalise on it. We don't need him at no 7. He is better suited at number 3/4. In his position batting with a strike rate below 90 is almost a crime. Afridi, Yousuf, Razzak may have lower average than him but they won matches for their teams.
But having said that I would prefer anyone rather than Ashraful. He will fail us regardlessly even as a waterboy. He will drop the water bottles on the ground and cause chaos.
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January 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
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Dayummm Mashrafe with a strike rate of 150! We're going to miss his late order hitting. Those few extra runs could prove crucial, as they have done in 2010.
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