Death of 2 myths

Neel Here · #1 March 11, 2011, 12:28 PM

1. bangladesh can't win without ashraful in the team

2. swann is the best finger spinner on the planet (give me a break, after his performances against teams that are anywhere decent players of spin, I would like to see what english press says about him now)

mods, please forgive me for opening too many threads, I'm a little excited at the moment !

nadim 98 · #2 March 11, 2011, 12:29 PM

+1....

Lot of ex-cricketer were saying Ash is a must for England game...wondering what they gonna say now.

munnabhai · #3 March 11, 2011, 12:35 PM

Swann is an excellent bowler. He is going through a bad patch but who doesn't in their career. His average speaks for itself.

Spitfire_x86 · #4 March 11, 2011, 12:39 PM

#1 has been disproved long ago

F6_Turbo · #5 March 11, 2011, 12:42 PM

Here is the death of another myth.....

Shakib doesn't care about the national team, he only cares about his flat, county cricket, appearance money, fame, his cliques....

See those tears at the end? That is someone who lives and breathes Bangladesh Cricket. He might not always get it right, but never ever question his commitment to the team.

al-Sagar · #6 March 11, 2011, 12:44 PM

3. we cant play well in batting PP

we played well today

Fazal · #7 March 11, 2011, 12:44 PM

I am not sure #1 is still disapproved in some people's mind.

If he was in the team f(or example instead of Rakibul) and scored 0 like Rakibul, some people would still give credit for his dance and cheerleading role. They would point out that (his dance in the field) was the game changing moment.

shakibrulz · #8 March 11, 2011, 12:44 PM

Ash is crap and the team is better of without him. He seems to really affect the team morale or maybe just dire luck. Either way, it's lose lose with Ash.

Hope it's the end of his damn career.

munnabhai · #9 March 11, 2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
Here is the death of another myth.....

Shakib doesn't care about the national team, he only cares about his flat, county cricket, appearance money, fame, his cliques....

See those tears at the end? That is someone who lives and breathes Bangladesh Cricket. He might not always get it right, but never ever question his committment to the team.

Don't think anyone actually meant that. Not just Shakib, we all had a tear in our eyes after his match.

Tamim couldn't even speak and Shamim Chowdhoury was ascetically happy.

shakibrulz · #10 March 11, 2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
Here is the death of another myth.....

Shakib doesn't care about the national team, he only cares about his flat, county cricket, appearance money, fame, his cliques....

See those tears at the end? That is someone who lives and breathes Bangladesh Cricket. He might not always get it right, but never ever question his committment to the team.

POTW

aosaif · #11 March 11, 2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Neel Here
1. bangladesh can't win without ashraful in the team

2. swann is the best finger spinner on the planet (give me a break, after his performances against teams that are anywhere decent players of spin, I would like to see what english press says about him now)

mods, please forgive me for opening too many threads, I'm a little excited at the moment !

Does "dew factor" mean anything to you?

You give me a break....he is one of the most dangerous bowlers when not subject to extreme weather conditions.

munnabhai · #12 March 11, 2011, 12:48 PM

#3 Bangladesh only has Two match winners Tamim and Shakib?
Now we have 3, Shafiul Islam

Roni_uk · #13 March 11, 2011, 12:55 PM

4. Shafiul is a MATCH winner.

Sovik · #14 March 11, 2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Roni_uk
4. Shafiul is a MATCH winner.

Thats not a myth. He is a match winner.

Ash is history

F6_Turbo · #15 March 11, 2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sovik
Thats not a myth. He is a match winner.

Ash is history

Hence the death....

al Furqaan · #16 March 11, 2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
I am not sure #1 is still disapproved in some people's mind.

If he was in the team f(or example instead of Rakibul) and scored 0 like Rakibul, some people would still give credit for his dance and cheerleading role. They would point out that (his dance in the field) was the game changing moment.

i'm yet to be convinced that Rock or Naeem did significantly better today than Ash would have done. but right now is not the time to bring this issue up...

as for #2, swann's numbers through since jan 2009 seemed to indicate he has been the best finger spinner - and by some distance out there - with vettori, ajmal, and shakib being distant competitors. one bad game, or even a bad world cup shouldn't change 2 years worth of stats.

al Furqaan · #17 March 11, 2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roni_uk
4. Shafiul is a MATCH winner.

biggest truth. trumps all the others. no other match-winner like him on planet earth. this was an elimination game. VVS laxman would be in awe when in his dreams. shafi wins games with bat, with ball, and with catches.

corollary: shafiul has no testicles or adrenal glands...he doesn't need them; every other cell in his body secretes testosterone and adrenaline.

shakibrulz · #18 March 11, 2011, 01:17 PM

@Swann - this is how you get treated when you bowl in subcontinent flat/slow tracks. There's no sharp turn on offer as in England.

al Furqaan · #19 March 11, 2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shakibrulz
@Swann - this is how you get treated when you bowl in subcontinent flat/slow tracks. There's no sharp turn on offer as in England.

this is true.

shakibrulz · #20 March 11, 2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
i'm yet to be convinced that Rock or Naeem did significantly better today than Ash would have done. but right now is not the time to bring this issue up..

The team as a unit performs FAR better without Ash. Eg: NZ series, Zim series and now this match - hard to think of that as a coincidence. All the above players should get their chances while Ash has got more than enough chances despite failing over and over. And Naeem bowled well.

BanCricFan · #21 March 11, 2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
I am not sure #1 is still disapproved in some people's mind.

If he was in the team f(or example instead of Rakibul) and scored 0 like Rakibul, some people would still give credit for his dance and cheerleading role. They would point out that (his dance in the field) was the game changing moment.

Today Ash would have scored a ton! MMW.

BANFAN · #22 March 11, 2011, 01:40 PM

5. We cannot chase / we should always bat first

shuziburo · #23 March 11, 2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by offstump
3. we cant play well in batting PP

we played well today

We have found answers to our batting PP woes: Shafiul.

mij · #24 March 11, 2011, 01:44 PM

Please time to say goodbye to ash and we should stop talking about him, he is gone and past. Thanks for his service for the country all these years.

Half way middle of the game ash was shaking his head and telling Nazmul that its finish, we can't win. Thank god that he wasn't in the team today, otherwise he would of given up long ago and result of the game sure would of been different.

SO WE DON'T NEED PLAYER WHO DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE.

allrounder · #25 March 11, 2011, 02:59 PM

Ashraful needs to go back and play local cricket and demand his spot with performance not by historical performance or support from politicians who saw him playing on TV.