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Old March 24, 2011, 02:09 AM
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steven fleming: a very good batsman, fielder, captain and has coaching experience. he is also a kiwi.
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Old March 24, 2011, 02:16 AM
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I think we're the first WC host in history to not make it to the knockout stages

Really? what about 1992 Australia, 1999 England, 2003 South Africa?
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Old March 24, 2011, 03:17 AM
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Ian Pont or Julien Fountain can be head coach, we can hire a specialist batting coach in place of Jamie Siddons.
To me it will give you better result.

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Old March 24, 2011, 03:30 AM
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Old March 24, 2011, 03:33 AM
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I am not sure about Julien, but I would not be unhappy to see Ian as the head coach. From what I have seen and heard, he has a logical thought process, very important for head coaches. Vision, setting goals, motivation and (sometimes) 'danda' mara is a required part of a head coach. I don't know how well he can do the last two, but I think he can the first two very well.

We can do much worse!
Would you care to share your reasoning with us . . .
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Old March 24, 2011, 07:32 AM
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Would you care to share your reasoning with us . . .
Ian shared his thoughts with us regularly. That's why know his thinking process. But we didn't have that much communications with you. But as far as i understand both of you are equally good for the role.

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Old March 24, 2011, 09:23 AM
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Old March 24, 2011, 10:59 AM
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It will be a really stupid move on Bulbul's part if he decides to coach BD. Look at what we did with our very own Salahuddin. Everyone knew how badly he wanted to be a part of our cricket and he was doing a decent job at it too. Maybe we didn't need him in the National team coaching staff but we definitely could have used him in our academy. Other coaches spoke very highly of him. But BCB didn't give a crap about him and now look where he went? Bulbul knows very well how BCB works. He has a really good thing going for him and IMO he should stick to it.
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Old March 24, 2011, 11:13 AM
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Old March 24, 2011, 12:35 PM
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Seconded !
So Ian and Julien: Let me be a bit clear on why I said that KKR coaching staff or why I would like to see Wasim Akram to be our coach to give tips to our bowlers...

Wasim Akram used to play at Dhaka League for few years even when he was in his prime. He, along his board, always supported Bangladesh Cricket and you will find numerous Pakistani players in Dhaka Leagues. Wasim Akram has defended Bangladesh Cricket for many years when Ricky Ponting, Graeme Smith dissed our cricket. Hence, he is a likable character in Bangladesh... But it is no secret that Wasim Akram will not be a full time coach for any country. He said that openly. While your contracts were being drafted, there were talks of bringning Wasim, Showrav, Javed Miandad to do consulting for our team for the world cups...Having these players patting their back or giving tips sometimes to get our local players excited and motivated...

Personally, I would like to see both you to be involved beyond the current national team. With your knowledge and depth, you are needed to develop our players before they even come to the national team. This may/may not be that lucrative of a deal compared to be the national coach but I think for long term benefits, it is needed to have your knowledge to develop also the U-19/ U-23 players or help the local coaches. Perhaps you lead the High Performance team or the National Center of Excellence..

You probably have noticed that almost all the BC members are impressed with both of you with the immediate impact you have brought to the team and we definitely think that you will serve the country well.. As I mentioned in an earlier posts, fans like us, really don't know who the best technical coaches are. Only the coaches themselves know who they are and where they are...Hence fans clamor for the names we know,, be it Wasim Akram, Steve Waugh or Sourav Ganguly..But the reality is the boards are smart enough to know who are the real coaches and who are just an ex-player wanna be coach. I hope both of you stick around with us for few more years...
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Old March 24, 2011, 12:50 PM
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Wasim Akram during his commentary in Pak Vs WI said he like Bangladesh and would like to come here again and again. But to be honest we dont need him atm as Ian doing good job. I hope BCB make one of Julien or Ian as our coach and hire a good batting coach.
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Old March 24, 2011, 01:22 PM
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Rafi,
Ian is a great bowling coach but he is not a head coach material. During west indies match, the way he went to twitter (being a coach of the host team) gives me impression that he is not mature enough for head coach. We need some one already established in the world, a very wise head. Ian, Julien both are still kid like Jamie. Need someone like Whatmore, John RIght, Eddie Barlow, Woolmer, steve wagh, tom moody, Mark Taylor
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Old March 24, 2011, 01:35 PM
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Rafi,
Ian is a great bowling coach but he is not a head coach material. During west indies match, the way he went to twitter (being a coach of the host team) gives me impression that he is not mature enough for head coach. We need some one already established in the world, a very wise head. Ian, Julien both are still kid like Jamie. Need someone like Whatmore, John RIght, Eddie Barlow, Woolmer, steve wagh, tom moody, Mark Taylor
what impression he gave to you?
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Old March 24, 2011, 02:18 PM
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He is still a specialist coach but not a head coach material like Gary Kirsten, John Right and so on. He even doesn't know how to handle a sensitive situation. Thats why he seems to me not a head coach material. May be over the years he will learn, but we do not want to take risk because we can not afford it.
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Old March 24, 2011, 02:24 PM
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^ You should take a trip over to their discussion thread. You will learn more about them.
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Old March 24, 2011, 02:25 PM
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I will coach the Bangladesh Team.....Of course in my dreams though.
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Old March 25, 2011, 06:09 AM
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He is still a specialist coach but not a head coach material like Gary Kirsten, John Right and so on. He even doesn't know how to handle a sensitive situation. Thats why he seems to me not a head coach material. May be over the years he will learn, but we do not want to take risk because we can not afford it.
Do you want a head coach, or do you want a media manager?

By admitting the rock-throwing incident happened, and showing that part of Bangladesh team was disgusted about it as well, he actually made the rock-throwing incident into an incident as opposed to a scandal. If you try to deny these things, they get talked about for weeks. So he did well.. he understands these things better than you and I.... Plus the fact that he was probably disgusted anyone would do such a thing, and he expressed his disappointment by sharing the photo..

That incident should not come into the equation here..
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Old March 25, 2011, 08:20 AM
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He is still a specialist coach but not a head coach material like Gary Kirsten, John Right and so on. He even doesn't know how to handle a sensitive situation. Thats why he seems to me not a head coach material. May be over the years he will learn, but we do not want to take risk because we can not afford it.
I have to agree with Nahaz answer to this above. I thought all the steam was taken out of the incident because it was admitted, dealt with and everyone moved on. There was some kind of muffled apology from the president after the Dhaka police chief said the bus was struck by rocks, which wasn't good enough. Gayle started the issue by tweeting and Pont finished it. He put the players disgust in the right light and made Bangladesh look good with the world's media. Fans on here then did an amazing thing and sent flowers to the WI team. This also helped. To try to suggest somehow it should have been swept under the carpet is stupid. far more seriously Shakib's house was stoned. There are times when you have to man up and deal with stuff like this.

It looks like he handled a sensitive situation well and made sure it didn't explode into a massive issue. Most leaders are not afraid to say what's right and wrong. This incident showed who the true leader was.
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Old March 25, 2011, 09:49 AM
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Old March 25, 2011, 11:05 AM
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Insert Azhar temporarily for 6 months - we will definitely learn how to take advantage at home. (Remember the old saying - take the good from outside, avoid the bad)
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Old March 25, 2011, 11:58 AM
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"Do you want a head coach, or do you want a media manager?"

Of course, we do not want media manager, but Media can kill you if you try to mess with it. Look what Jamie did by creating unnecessary tension/pressure on the young team/captain by going public with media/former player/Mashrafe issue. Also going to Media by Pont shows how he handles situation. He should leave it to BCB and this is not his job. If it were india, his situation would have been worst. He has no prior experience on head coach, we do not want another kid like Jamie. But, of course, he is a very good fast bowling coach. Abashya je jati tader former player/captain-ke honor kore na, tader jannya Pont-e thik. ajker shakib-keo tara dui din pore juta marbe when he will be former player
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:14 PM
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"Do you want a head coach, or do you want a media manager?"

Of course, we do not want media manager, but Media can kill you if you try to mess with it. Look what Jamie did by creating unnecessary tension/pressure on the young team/captain by going public with media/former player/Mashrafe issue. Also going to Media by Pont shows how he handles situation. He should leave it to BCB and this is not his job. If it were india, his situation would have been worst. He has no prior experience on head coach, we do not want another kid like Jamie. But, of course, he is a very good fast bowling coach. Abashya je jati tader former player/captain-ke honor kore na, tader jannya Pont-e thik. ajker shakib-keo tara dui din pore juta marbe when he will be former player
Coaches don't go to the media like that. The media has to ask to approach the coach by going through the media department of the board usually. This is what they say happens in all national teams and the ICC. So any discussion will have been approved by the board. How would they get a coaches number otherwise?

Can I ask you this? Do you rate Gary Kirtsen, the Indian head coach. Do you rate andy Flower the England head coach. They have never been head coaches before. Neither has Ottis Gibson the WI head coach, or Waqar Younis the PK head coach. Are these 'kids' that you don't want either.

You don't seem to apply much logic to your arguments.
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:15 PM
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As a young and developing cricket team, we need an experienced TEST team head coach, who can take this team to the next nevel, by all means, at any cost. He should have an established reputation in the world cricket, so that world media will be showing him respect. Its important, because after every test loss, the media will be asking the rational of our test status. If you remember, Dav has always, I mean always handled the media pressure well and supported our team, no matter how porrly we performed. He never said, we dont have world class players, so we dont have a chance, something that some of our current coaches say left and right.

Ian/Fountain has all my respect, but they need to gain head coaching experience first. My suggestion would be they gain some more experince and grow with the national team for a year or so, then become head coach for the A team and if they like it, they can become the head coach.

Being head coach for a TEST team is not a matter of joke. Its a huge responsibility, it requires perform under tremendous pressure, cutting edge game planning, unbiased team selection, handle the world media pressure, fans pressure, handle both high and lows of the team, and in our case both teach/inspire the team constantly and keep the team members under cortrol through stern discipline. And yes, he has to be a smart coach, "shrewd" is the word that comes in my mind.

My vote goes to soon to be ex HEAD coaches of Sri Lanka, India, South Africa, Australia or even England. Now how we can convince one of them, thats a seperate discussion.
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:18 PM
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"reyme" you are my man, you just said the perfect word, I wanted to say.
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:22 PM
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"Can I ask you this? Do you rate Gary Kirtsen, the Indian head coach. Do you rate andy Flower the England head coach. They have never been head coaches before. Neither has Ottis Gibson the WI head coach, or Waqar Younis the PK head coach. Are these 'kids' that you don't want either."

We do not have a sachin tendulakar, zaheer khan, laxman, kalis, amla or even younous khan, misbah in the dressing room. Its like "garib-er shangsar". We can't afford to take risk. We have a very young team, I would prefer "reyme" idea on head coach than to gamble.
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