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Old March 25, 2011, 12:27 PM
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"reyme" you are my man, you just said the perfect word, I wanted to say.
I dont want to be man anymore. I have been the man and ruined too many girl's heart...I need to be one girls man now....
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:31 PM
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lol..i am not "bi" either. keep doing what you do best..
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:34 PM
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I dont want to be man anymore. I have been the man and ruined too many girl's heart...I need to be one girls man now....
You big playa reyme.
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Kiwis do make good coaches. For good reason though. They are a small nation with limited players, yet they scrap ,battle and punch way above their waist. So, there must be something inherent in their fighting spirit. A small team like Bangladesh can emulate those qualities.
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:52 PM
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What can a coach do about 58 and 78 all out? Ask John Wright. A good coach really can lift a team which has lost their last 9 matches in subcontinent including an embarrassing whitewash against BD. Nowadays coaches are not just a technical or tactical guide. They are motivator above all role and cricket teams need a philosophical and motivational coach than any other sports. BCB needs to get a coach of that type and if Ian or Julien inherit this then the task will be easier for them.
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Old March 25, 2011, 04:12 PM
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If you cant see the link type in youtube:
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Old March 25, 2011, 05:18 PM
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"What can a coach do about 58 and 78 all out? Ask John Wright. A good coach really can lift a team which has lost their last 9 matches in subcontinent including an embarrassing whitewash against BD. Nowadays coaches are not just a technical or tactical guide. They are motivator above all role and cricket teams need a philosophical and motivational coach than any other sports. BCB needs to get a coach of that type"
[ayan - wow, good analysis]
"if Ian or Julien inherit this then the task will be easier for them."
[ayan - Jei LAU SHEI KADO or Shara-rat ramayan poi-ra bole sita kar baap]
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Old March 25, 2011, 08:59 PM
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Old March 25, 2011, 10:38 PM
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According to Prothom Alo 25.3.11
Gary Kirsten and Waqur Younus could be a candidate.Board is happy with the work of Julian and Ian there is also chance that Julian can be promoted as head coach.

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Old March 26, 2011, 12:05 AM
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According to Prothom Alo 25.3.11
Gary Kirsten and Waqur Younus could be a candidate.Board is happy with the work of Julian and Ian there is also chance that Julian can be promoted as head coach.

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Old March 26, 2011, 12:10 AM
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According to Prothom Alo 25.3.11
Gary Kirsten and Waqur Younus could be a candidate.Board is happy with the work of Julian and Ian there is also chance that Julian can be promoted as head coach.

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Seriously? LOL do they even think before publishing such stuff? Kirsten is leaving because he needs to spend time with his family. Otherwise we'll resign his contract in a heartbeat.
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Old March 26, 2011, 12:21 AM
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If you cant see the link type in youtube:
Recommended Coach for Bangladesh Cricket teahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IcS-0n3ERMm
Ash je koitaa khaito ei beta coach hole...
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Old March 26, 2011, 06:20 AM
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He is still a specialist coach but not a head coach material like Gary Kirsten, John Right and so on....May be over the years he will learn, but we do not want to take risk because we can not afford it.
I think affan has a point.

You wouldn't want to be flown in a plane by a pilot who has never flown the plane before even though he is qualified. Or have a country run by a Prime Minister who had never done that job before. I don't want soldiers defending me who had never fought in a war before. I don't want businesses run by people who are start-ups. Who wants to select national cricketers who have never played at that level before?

It all makes perfect sense doesn't it? Hmmmmm.

India did take a massive 'risk' (given your criteria affan) on Gary Kirsten as he had never been head coach of a team before. But Gary, like the rest of us with the Head Coach qualification certificate, has trained for the role. And like the pilot, you have to be able to satisfy strict criteria that you can do that job before they issue you with the new Head Coach coaching badge.

Some of us hold the award and the qualifications to do the job but never seek it. If you are questioning someone's ability to do the job that's why we have these qualifications to satisfy that argument. Whether everyone wants to be a head coach is of course another matter.
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Old March 26, 2011, 06:42 AM
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Ash je koitaa khaito ei beta coach hole...
Yes Ashraful would have been hit the most, So would Shahriar Mofees and Junaeed Siddiqui

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Old March 27, 2011, 02:12 AM
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Myself! I'm aggressive and know the game. And it means something to me rather than being just a profession which it is for these foreign coaches. It's just a job for them!

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Old March 27, 2011, 02:17 AM
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Ian is a great bowling coach but he is not a head coach material. During west indies match, the way he went to twitter (being a coach of the host team) gives me impression that he is not mature enough for head coach. We need some one already established in the world, a very wise head. Ian, Julien both are still kid like Jamie. Need someone like Whatmore, John RIght, Eddie Barlow, Woolmer, steve wagh, tom moody, Mark Taylor
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Old March 27, 2011, 03:03 AM
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^^ Ian, Julien both are still kid like Jamie....lmfao !!!!! what makes you think that affan_ayan ??

this is the most childish statement i have ever heard for a long time !
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Old March 27, 2011, 04:33 AM
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He is still a specialist coach but not a head coach material like Gary Kirsten, John Right and so on. He even doesn't know how to handle a sensitive situation. Thats why he seems to me not a head coach material. May be over the years he will learn, but we do not want to take risk because we can not afford it.
You have not the least idea of what is our need, in this circumstances it's better to keep quiet and not make such conclussive remarks.

Following are the advantages with IP & JF:

1. They are both qualified level 3 coach, which makes them elligible for head coach.
2. Both IP & JF has shown their ability in their respective fields as bowling and fielding coach, that means they know how to bring in changes/improvements in the skill levels of our players.
3. They both know our players and dont have to spend 3-6 months (Like JS did) in knowing the players.

What we need: Although I haven't carried out a training needs analysis of our team, yet following needs are very vivid:

1. Our players need guidance at the basic skill levels: Which shall be difficult to expect from a reputed/established coach, but newly appointed head coaches are expected to make more improvement atleast for the sake of his coaching career.
2. Our players need a lots of motivation or moral support or belief from the coaching staff, which a coach with established teams might have done at a different level than a developing team, Which also can be expected more closely/solidly from a new head coach.
3. Since our players need assistance at very elimentary level of the game, an established coach isn't supposed to have that appetite. To develop our national team, we need to approach coaches who will be good as a coaching staff for an academy rathar than a coach of an established team.

For me, JF & IP is obviously a candidate for consideration. We need to understand if they are able to make the changes we expect. We can never be 100% sure about it, but their success in improving upon our bowling and fielding, makes me believe and take the calulated risk of entrusting IP/JF as our Head coach.

In any case we need a seperate specialist batting coach and I'm sure we can expect a huge inprovement under anyone of these two. Our batting needs most focus, so I will be happy if the batting coach is all free to improve batting with complete focus on batting, while the Bowling/Fielding cum head coach can concentrate on game plans etc.

For your information, DW won the world cup for SL as a coach, while that was his first assignment, Gary K has taken his team to semi final in his first assignment. I bet you would have not even discuss Gary if he wasn't indian coach.

So please, stop your erroneous judgements on IP & JF, I would be more than happy if they accept the job of BD head coach.
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Old March 27, 2011, 05:11 AM
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...... Gary Kirsten as he had never been head coach of a team before. But Gary, like the rest of us with the Head Coach qualification certificate, has trained for the role.
Andy Flower is another example.
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Old March 27, 2011, 05:13 AM
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After the South Africa defeat Shakib said the team crumbled under প্রত্যাশার চাপ। They have to learn how to handle it. Send the team to Kurmitola golf course. Have Siddikur Rahman try his best shot on the lower back of all players. This will clearly show them the real definition of প্রত্যাশার চাপ।

Back to subject, whoever we get as coach will need the help of 4-5 strict instructors (preferably members of defence force) to make sure players follow everything to the point in practice and while in camp.

Player pool for national team should be extended. The coach needs to deal with more players, but just the main team. If required, have a board of coaches that all co-ordinate national, A, B , U-19, Academy teams. If we can have 60-70 players with under this board practising year round (running camp is costly, but BCB is rich) replacement for non-performing will be easier. Coaches of all these teams with act as a group exchanging information about each team its performance.
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Old March 27, 2011, 05:53 AM
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You have not the least idea of what is our need, in this circumstances it's better to keep quiet and not make such conclussive remarks.

Following are the advantages with IP & JF:

1. They are both qualified level 3 coach, which makes them elligible for head coach.
2. Both IP & JF has shown their ability in their respective fields as bowling and fielding coach, that means they know how to bring in changes/improvements in the skill levels of our players.
3. They both know our players and dont have to spend 3-6 months (Like JS did) in knowing the players.

What we need: Although I haven't carried out a training needs analysis of our team, yet following needs are very vivid:

1. Our players need guidance at the basic skill levels: Which shall be difficult to expect from a reputed/established coach, but newly appointed head coaches are expected to make more improvement atleast for the sake of his coaching career.
2. Our players need a lots of motivation or moral support or belief from the coaching staff, which a coach with established teams might have done at a different level than a developing team, Which also can be expected more closely/solidly from a new head coach.
3. Since our players need assistance at very elimentary level of the game, an established coach isn't supposed to have that appetite. To develop our national team, we need to approach coaches who will be good as a coaching staff for an academy rathar than a coach of an established team.

For me, JF & IP is obviously a candidate for consideration. We need to understand if they are able to make the changes we expect. We can never be 100% sure about it, but their success in improving upon our bowling and fielding, makes me believe and take the calulated risk of entrusting IP/JF as our Head coach.

In any case we need a seperate specialist batting coach and I'm sure we can expect a huge inprovement under anyone of these two. Our batting needs most focus, so I will be happy if the batting coach is all free to improve batting with complete focus on batting, while the Bowling/Fielding cum head coach can concentrate on game plans etc.

For your information, DW won the world cup for SL as a coach, while that was his first assignment, Gary K has taken his team to semi final in his first assignment. I bet you would have not even discuss Gary if he wasn't indian coach.

So please, stop your erroneous judgements on IP & JF, I would be more than happy if they accept the job of BD head coach.
Intelligent post. If you look at the respective wiki pages on JF & IP you will see a thoroughly professional coaching background. Both have worked for the ECB and been based at Loughborough and so are trained in player development, which I think is required. IP has been specialist coach at five professional teams, assistant head coach at the 2007 World Cup and runs a cricket institute privately. JF has worked with at least two or three Test countries and various associates. Both have immense dressing room experience and planning backgrounds therefore.

We can get in a highly-skilled batting coach to work with the batsmen and have one of the two existing English coaches take the reigns and steer us forward.
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Old March 27, 2011, 09:29 AM
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"We need Level 3 qualified coaches who will teach our national team players the basics of batting/bowling/fielding/peeing/pooping"...blah blah blah... I've seen this movie before.

The worst part of it is, we will install a new head coach and s/he will say we need another doggone five years to bring the team up to snuff. I've been following Bangladesh cricket for well over 20 years now and I'm getting tired of this garbage.

Yes, we do need qualified coaches. But what I would really love to see are coaches with a "can do" attitude that will instill belief in our players, encourage them to go out and play for a win in every match, and give them the tactical know-how to take opponents apart.

In Bangladesh, we are well-known for our excuse culture. But foreign coaches are no less culpable when it comes to excuses. I have heard the same bloody arguments for the past 20 years...that our boys don't know the basics. What the hell! Our infrastructure might not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than it was even 5 years ago. We have players coming through the various age-group selections and none of them know the basics? I don't buy that BS.

Enough already. For the love of God, get us a coach who will deliver with the players he's got. Not hide behind the lack-of-infrastructure, lack-of-knowledge-of-cricket-basics, lack-of-experience arguments.

Qualified coaches are a dime a dozen...I want coaches who believe in winning and will do anything humanly possible to win every game we play. I don't care if that coach happens to be Jamie, Ian, Julien, Kuddus, Solimuddin or Jharumiah.
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i want to be the manager of our team. i will select right players and will define their job. my strategy will fit our team best. though i won't be available for the next 3 months as i'm a hsc examinee. so, bcb can contact me later.
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"We need Level 3 qualified coaches who will teach our national team players the basics of batting/bowling/fielding/peeing/pooping"...blah blah blah... I've seen this movie before.

The worst part of it is, we will install a new head coach and s/he will say we need another doggone five years to bring the team up to snuff. I've been following Bangladesh cricket for well over 20 years now and I'm getting tired of this garbage.

Yes, we do need qualified coaches. But what I would really love to see are coaches with a "can do" attitude that will instill belief in our players, encourage them to go out and play for a win in every match, and give them the tactical know-how to take opponents apart.

In Bangladesh, we are well-known for our excuse culture. But foreign coaches are no less culpable when it comes to excuses. I have heard the same bloody arguments for the past 20 years...that our boys don't know the basics. What the hell! Our infrastructure might not be perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than it was even 5 years ago. We have players coming through the various age-group selections and none of them know the basics? I don't buy that BS.

Enough already. For the love of God, get us a coach who will deliver with the players he's got. Not hide behind the lack-of-infrastructure, lack-of-knowledge-of-cricket-basics, lack-of-experience arguments.

Qualified coaches are a dime a dozen...I want coaches who believe in winning and will do anything humanly possible to win every game we play. I don't care if that coach happens to be Jamie, Ian, Julien, Kuddus, Solimuddin or Jharumiah.
I think there is some confused thinking here. When referring to 'doing the basics' I don't think international coaches like Kirsten and Flower mean playing a forward defensive shot or hitting the ball straight. They mean things like learning to win, batting for a long time and taking responsibility for results. These are the sort of basics for winning ODI's and Test matches.

It isn't whether a coach can motivate a team. If you have to morivate a team at this level there is a problem. it's whether the team can understand what it has to do to win (such as Ireland) then practice those skills.

Even with the players available better results can be achieved. However the mindset and understanding of a young team is key. They need to be fast learners and want to learn, not just be happy or satisfied with 20-30 runs even if it is the top score in the team. These are the basics of cricket. Playing as a team for the good of the team with a plan for the team to be self-improving.

I am sure all the coaches we have ever had are professional in their approach. My question is are the players?

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After the South Africa defeat Shakib said the team crumbled under প্রত্যাশার চাপ। They have to learn how to handle it. Send the team to Kurmitola golf course. Have Siddikur Rahman try his best shot on the lower back of all players. This will clearly show them the real definition of প্রত্যাশার চাপ।
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