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Old March 19, 2011, 08:06 PM
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Default Are Sulieman Benn, Robin Peterson better bowler than Shakib and Razzak ? Yes they are.

Bangladesh team is heavily relying on their so called world class spinners but they are not really as good as Sulieman Benn and Robin Peterson. As an off spiner Mahmudullah and Naeem are no match for Swann and Botha. Even Netherland's off spiner Tom Cooper looked better than Nayeem and Riyad.You can ask me why is that ? Find out by yourselves in cricinfo and also watch below if you like.

Sulieman Jamaal Benn's bowling averages:

ODIs Mat Inns Runs Balls Wkts BBI BBM AVE Econ SR
24 23 1223 892 29 4/18 4/18 30.75 4.37 42.1

Source:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cric...yer/51248.html


Robin John Peterson's bowling averages:

ODIs Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR
46 42 1779 1397 38 4/12 4/12 36.76 4.71 46.8

Source:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cric...yer/46750.html



Both Benn and Peterson played less than Shakib and Razzak because WI and SA don’t rely on their spinners more than pacers. Obviously South Africa will not play 3 spinners while they have got world class fast bowlers like Dale Styne, Morkel, Kallis (he didn’t even bother bowling against BD in this WC) , Lonwabo Lopsy Tsotsobe etc. West Indies also don’t depend on their spinners more than pacers. Bangladeshi spinners always have to bowl 10 overs and they come to the bowling attack during the first 10 overs power play. According to cricinfo Razzak played 117 ODI matches and Shakib played 108 ODI matches and most of their win against weaker Zimbabwe which helped their spinners to get some sort of momentum to cheer about. Why the heck Razzak and Shakib bowl flat and allowing the batsmen to pick up easy singles ? Some times the world class spinners (Razzak, Shakib, Naeem, Riyad) even bowl too short which allow the opposition batsmen to free their arms and hit the ball for boundaries. After playing so many ODI matches they (Razzak and Shakib) still can’t pitch the bowl up to batsmen consistently !! Both Shakib and Razzak have got lack of variations with their bowling.

Wake up Shakib and Razzak !!! COME ON !!

I think South African spinners like Peterson and Botha will be more threatening than Shakib and Razzak in any sort of game (specially in test cricket). Sulieman Benn would trouble Bangladeshi batsmen in test cricket more than our so called world class spinners would trouble the full strength West Indies team.


The stronger oppsitions are not dumb. It looks like the opposition teams (SA and WI) took the whole advantages in the local condition and defeated bangladesh badly. If there was no dew factor , Bangladesh would have lost against England badly because of Grame Swann. Remember Swann couldn't grip the ball properly for sake of the dew in the match against Bangladesh and got fined because of arguing with umpires about griping the ball.

Wake up Bangladeshi batsmen !!! Learn how to use the feet against spinners.

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Old March 19, 2011, 08:11 PM
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Talk about the batsmen also..atleast our spinners are comparable but bastmen
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Old March 19, 2011, 08:19 PM
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They are not better bowlers, it's just that our batsmen are pathetic. Shakib and Razzak have to bowl against much better batsmen.
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Old March 19, 2011, 08:32 PM
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They are not better bowlers, it's just that our batsmen are pathetic. Shakib and Razzak have to bowl against much better batsmen.
To me they looked better than Shakib and Razzak. If Benn and Peterson play so many matches against Zimbabwe and Kenya instead of Australia, India, England etc their bowling average would be much better than our so called world class spinners.

Yes BD spinners have to bowl against better batsmen not just against Zimbabwe and Kenya most of the time. BUT !!! Why the heck they bowl flat most of the time and didn't develope their flight, swing and not brave enough to pitch the ball up to the batsmen, bring the batsmen on the front foot more often. Some times they even ball one short delivery in each of their overs !!! Horrible !! Short balls are crime for the spinners.
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Old March 19, 2011, 08:39 PM
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Talk about the batsmen also..atleast our spinners are comparable but bastmen
Well, Bangladesh team claimed themselves that they have world class spinners. Why the heck they can't use their feet against the line of the opposition spinners and distract them to change their line and lenghth ?? BD batsmen forgot how to play spinners even though they have left arm spiners like Shakib, Razzak ??

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Old March 19, 2011, 09:12 PM
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Yes they are. Our spinners are overrated but the most overrated player in Bangla cricket is Tamim Iqbal. The fat mohish.
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Old March 19, 2011, 09:22 PM
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Yes they are. Our spinners are overrated but the most overrated player in Bangla cricket is Tamim Iqbal. The fat mohish.
Yes our spinners are overrated players and most of their success came out against weaker Zimbabwe and Kenya.


Tamim is a fat mohish !!!

LOL yes, at the moment he is a fat mohish and that's why he couldn't perform well up to his standard in this world cup. What is the point of spending lot of money to the foreign coaches Grant Luden (National Strength and Conditioning Coach) fielding coach Julien Fountain who can't even keep our key player ( Tamim who has got a big stomach now) well shaped and well built ???? None of the Bd caoching stuff is worried about it ??

We need to value our local coaches like Salahuddin, Sarwar Imran as an asst. coach for Bangladesh national team. Involve Rafique and Bashar as a spin bowling and batiing coach for the age group or A team.

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Rafique was world class material. For a moment, we thought Razzak would be as well. ...
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Old March 19, 2011, 09:55 PM
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Rafique was world class material. For a moment, we thought Razzak would be as well. ...
Razzak has the tendancy of bowling short and flat. Sometimes bowling flat is ok but keep bowling flat is unacceptable from an experience member like Razzak. After playing over 100 ODIs Razzak didn't really improve his variation with flight and swing.

The way Razzak and Shakib bowling at the moment, it will not be effecive for long in the international arena because of the batsmen from top team will always know what is the maximum level of stregnth Razzak and Shakib have got and the batsmen will easily pick up runs from their flat deliveries. Bangladesh needs a spin bowling coach and Rafique would be the best choice I guess.
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Old March 19, 2011, 10:10 PM
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They are better.

Even botha can turn the ball in our grounds but our spinners can't. amader gula sudhu namer spinner. Everyone in BD are spinners as they bowl very slow.
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Old March 19, 2011, 10:17 PM
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When are we going to have a leg spinner?
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Old March 19, 2011, 10:18 PM
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They are better.

Even botha can turn the ball in our grounds but our spinners can't. amader gula sudhu namer spinner. Everyone in BD are spinners as they bowl very slow.
Yes you are right. A good spinner should have good turn specially in the pitch like Bangladesh is producing. The foreign bowlers are having advantages and having some turn and our bowlers are bowling flat and aloowing the batsmen to pick up easy singles.

When they will learn swinging the ball and learn to vary the flight of the ball ??? Yeh, naame matro spinners.
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Old March 19, 2011, 10:28 PM
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if shakib was playing for SA and razzak was playing for WI ...... peterson and benn would have no place in teams.

peterson and benn plays in teams where they have more better bowlers. peterson bowls where there is morkel, steyn and botha to support. benn has roach, sammy, taylor and edward currently injured ......

but look at shakib and raj ..... they are the main bowlers and have lot of pressure to lead from the front. they dont get enough support from pacers and they have to bowl as strike bowler. wheras peterson just can concentrate on bowling length line.
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Old March 19, 2011, 10:29 PM
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Sakib is a good bowler. But I have not seen him growing as cricketer. And pls. lets not talk about ranking. I think he should not be burdened with captaincy. He should come 1 down and bowl 10 overs.
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Old March 19, 2011, 10:42 PM
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if shakib was playing for SA and razzak was playing for WI ...... peterson and benn would have no place in teams.

peterson and benn plays in teams where they have more better bowlers. peterson bowls where there is morkel, steyn and botha to support. benn has roach, sammy, taylor and edward currently injured ......

but look at shakib and raj ..... they are the main bowlers and have lot of pressure to lead from the front. they dont get enough support from pacers and they have to bowl as strike bowler. wheras peterson just can concentrate on bowling length line.
I don't agree with you. Rafique ( master of arm bowling and still playing well in domestic leagues ), Razzak and Shakib ( when he was not the top allrounder ) got a lot of supports from Mashrafe and Rasel ( when he was at his best). Player like Shakib and Razzak would not even called up for South African A team because their pitch doesn't support spinners that much. They just recently played more spinners in this WC 2011 because of the pitch and weather conditions of South Asia (BD,IND,SL) otherwise they are not stupid that they will rely on spinners that much. I can guaranty you that Peterson and Sulieman will bowl better than Razzak and Shakib against ZIM and Kenya and their bowling avg would be better than they have now.

Why WI will even bother depending on their spinners that much where thay have Roach, Fidel Edwards, Bravo etc...

Look at WI and SA, when they play without the support of Edward Bravo, Steyn, Morkel and open the ball with spinners (Benn, Botha,Peterson) , they still look much threatening than our so called world class spinners.

I would say Shakib and Razzak were lucky to be born in Bangladesh, followed and played along side by Rafique which helped them a lot. After playing over 100 ODI matches , they are still have lack of variation and control ( giving short ball as a spinner !!! ) with the ball. No doubt about that.

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Old March 19, 2011, 10:50 PM
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Sakib is a good bowler. But I have not seen him growing as cricketer. And pls. lets not talk about ranking. I think he should not be burdened with captaincy. He should come 1 down and bowl 10 overs.
Shakib is a good bowler and a good batsman too but as a bowler he is not as good as Peterson and Benn because I didn't see any new variation with his bowling. Still the same line and lentgh he maintains which will not really make him match wining bowler against top oppostion unless the team is like Zimbabwe or Kenya.

Ek jinish dia aar koto wicket niba ??? He needs to learn some new stuff with the ball.
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Old March 19, 2011, 11:05 PM
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Shakib is better than both. He's proved that over and over again. How many 5 wicket hauls does the above players have in tests?

It's just that when other bowlers bowl like crap, Shakib has to bowl it much flatter. When you have Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe to get early wickets - they can bowl freely.
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while i'll not agree with u,i'll say one thing we call our spin attack the best in the world which is not true and overrated
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Old March 20, 2011, 10:55 AM
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shakibre abar countyte pathanor shomoy ashche.oikhane khelle tao jaater hoye ashe!
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Old March 20, 2011, 11:01 AM
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Shakib is miles better than them...

Razzak...well he sux against Big boys and his stats can prove that...way too overrated...
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They are decent bowlers. Poor WC for the whole lot. They don't get any back up from the batsmen. they have the best surface in the world to work on their craft. I think it's about time BCB gets a good bowling coach for the spinners. Work to your strenghts. ATM, BCB just let the spinners on their own and the media termed them the best spin attack in the world (By volume, yes). Even the best in the world need coaches. Benn and Peterson have a great support system backing them up.
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Old March 20, 2011, 11:41 AM
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Benn just sucks. Wonder how he managed to get wickets against BD.
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Old March 20, 2011, 11:45 AM
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Benn just sucks. Wonder how he managed to get wickets against BD.
we sucked more on that day
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Shakib is better than these pie throwers if Shakib was bowling against BD batsmen he would gets 5 wickets / matchs

test Shakib's test record against : India , SA, England

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Old March 20, 2011, 12:27 PM
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Before making slow, low, awefully pathetic lame pitches, we have to ensure that our batsmen learn how to play spin. All our life we play spin, and even then average spinnerz from the opposition teams take heapz of wickets. The thing shocked me most was the lack of adaptability of our batsmen. The lack of know how what do when. We may win some games in future against the big teams, but deep down inside, i know we won't be better than any of them atleast for another 15 yearz.

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