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View Poll Results: While chasing in no hope situation, dignified loss vs all out attack (under 100 allout and huge loss
Shomman jonok porajoy (dignified loss) 13 20.97%
All out attack (loss of margin doesn't matter, intent matters) 30 48.39%
Don't care. Loss is a loss. 9 14.52%
Ashraful for captain 10 16.13%
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Old March 24, 2011, 01:47 AM
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I think its a combination of things. Meritorious cricket must be played in all situations. Resilience and intent is important. When chasing 370, 283 was at least somewhat of a response but we really should kick ourselves for not posting 300-320. it didn't require any "out of skin" performance, just simple and meticulous play would have seen a 300+ score.

balls need to be played on merit and need to be played according to situation (match/series/tourney). just because you are chasing 160 doesn't mean you crawl at 4 an over even when the bowlers give you hit me balls. at the same time, chasing 350+ targets doesn't mean u have to hit every ball to the fence.

but intent and application of the most risk-free implementation of that intent is what is ultimately important. it will maximize wins, and minimize the margins in lost games.
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Old March 24, 2011, 03:16 AM
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As long as you are in the field, u never know, keep trying and u can increase you team NRR, your personal Batting average, your team mental strength that we can bat till 50 overs. if there is a batsman or allrounder in the pitch he must try to survive till the last ball of the innings, look at the innings of Chandarpual in the QF against Pakistan, he still tried to stay there till last moment, if it is a bowler, I never blame him. Let him do what he can.
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Old March 24, 2011, 03:49 AM
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You go for the win as long as atleast one capable batsman is still batting. When it's just a bowler it's okay for them to do whatever they want but Always go for the win. It's different if u are an an associate that barely gets opportunities to play and you want to make the most of it

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Old March 24, 2011, 04:32 AM
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Go for the win.......sommanjonok porajoy hoilo sissy der kaj...

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Old March 24, 2011, 04:34 AM
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BTW, why ash is in the poll?

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Old March 24, 2011, 04:41 AM
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BTW, why ash is in the poll?

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He may have applied for the role of batting coach in place of Siddons
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The poll question is flawed. Why all out attack means below 100 all out or huge loss!! It can be synonymous to mindless attack or attack without any game plan which regularly happened with Bangladesh during our Siddons era.

IMO, all out attack most likely result in a win if planned properly. All out attack and mindless slogging isn't the same thing.
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Old March 24, 2011, 05:31 AM
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batsmen should relax...listen to the momtaz remix...and dance out the stress...aeita nai ken vote dimuna
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Old March 24, 2011, 05:39 AM
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BTW, why ash is in the poll?

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Ash is everywhere.
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Old March 24, 2011, 06:19 AM
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Ashar fool Ashraful!

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Old March 24, 2011, 06:43 AM
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...All out attack and mindless slogging isn't the same thing.
You are absolutely spot on. However, for those know how to bat. Ours' don't. Hence the 20/30 averages. Cricket is a test of patience and concentration in all format. Both batting and bowling.

So in our case I think it is the same.

The scenario is we are 4/5 down with 10 overs chasing a big total.
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Old March 24, 2011, 06:53 AM
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BTW, why ash is in the poll?

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Hi ray Nadim!! How many days you are with BC?

1. If you want your thread to be on the top, if you want 100+ posts in the thread....

2. I know some people would vote to create a mess. Human nature. (Worked as a real voter administrator for 4+ years). To weed them out you need a plan. Muahahaha!!!

3. To protest against BCB may be? Why Ash as a captain in A team? Did we not see how he performed as a captain in National team? If they really want Ash to comeback then he needs less responsibility. Gadha'ra (blind selectors) ghora'r (cannot become strategically perfect selectors) kaj kortey parey na. They are still in a world where they always think "jodi laigga jai!!" Playing lottery still with BD cricket.

Jaugga beshi boiley fellam ar ki...
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Old March 24, 2011, 07:01 AM
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I think its a combination of things. Meritorious cricket must be played in all situations. Resilience and intent is important. When chasing 370, 283 was at least somewhat of a response but we really should kick ourselves for not posting 300-320. it didn't require any "out of skin" performance, just simple and meticulous play would have seen a 300+ score.

balls need to be played on merit and need to be played according to situation (match/series/tourney). just because you are chasing 160 doesn't mean you crawl at 4 an over even when the bowlers give you hit me balls. at the same time, chasing 350+ targets doesn't mean u have to hit every ball to the fence.

but intent and application of the most risk-free implementation of that intent is what is ultimately important. it will maximize wins, and minimize the margins in lost games.
Good observation. Typically you are asking your 6,7,8 (in this situation where already a collapse has happened) to do that. Minimizing the margin of loss is "Shmmon jonok porajoy".
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This match is a perfect example that the team should not give up. Chasing 328 for win, Ireland were 111/5 in the 25th over, needing 215 off 25 overs, which is a very difficult task for a T25 having all 10 batsman.


I voted for 'All out attack'; but it should be calculated counter attack. You can see Irish calculations in taking the powerplay at the right time, blind hitting does not work.
That is very rare. Kevin's innings doesn't happen right and left in the face of collapse. That is why he is the fastest centurion in the WC. Even Sanath, Hayden, Gilchrist, VIv, YK, Fridi didn't do that.

In any case, we are down 4/5 with 10 or 12 overs with Mushi, Riayd to come. Surviving till 25 overs would be blessing let alone counter attacking. This not rare because it happened multiple times. May happen again when Australia come knocking at the door.
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^ it is not as rare as it seems. our win against Eng and ireland, Eng win against WI, Wi loss against Ind all are changed matches.
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when there is no hope..darkness surrounds everything..Mankind curve for a hero..

from Ashes rises Ashrafool to relive mankind from the dark lord...ay...who am i kidding
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who remembers the lose. After 4 years, 78 and 58 would be in the same scale as 283 while 225/8 or 192/5 would be always rank higher.
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The 4th option made me laugh hard. Great one.

Sir Ash for captain!

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Ash is everywhere.
...and into everything !!
True. Right now its -7°C | °F in Toronto.I guess Its also Ashraful's fault.
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That 4th option should be there in every BC poll, regardless of the question.
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^ it is not as rare as it seems. our win against Eng and ireland, Eng win against WI, Wi loss against Ind all are changed matches.
??? One is chasing over 300 the others were barely 200. How can you make a comparison between Ireland vs England with all the others games mentioned. Kevin's innings was a rare innings. The target and pitches were different so the approach cannot be same chasing.

If it is that easy to immitate Kevin's innings (whcih is so rare) then how come SA lost to NZ's 221? Surely SA have better batsmen than Kevin in there lineup.
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If all out attack means, blind folded attack on Mouchak, then I don't want that. But if you are losing and still not going for all out attack, that only means you are surrendering without a proper fight. And all out attack also doesnt mean a guarantee of bellow 100 scores. 58/78 wasn't the result of our all out attack. These were poor batting. Now poor batting & allout attack isn't same.

So it's always an allout attack, but in cricketing way.
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There are no absolute answers.

It all depends on who you are and what are the implications.

A team like Afghanistan when set a target of 350 can decide to settle for 250 and will be applauded for a respectable total. They are the newcomers to the world of cricket. Same thing applies to Bermuda etc.

It applied to Bangladesh 4-5 years back, but not anymore. With an exception.

If team is playing a group match where NRR is eventually going to come into play and determine who qualifies, it becomes an added responsibility to decide at some point to give up the chase and settle for an achievable score. Not in the best spirits of the game, but wise nonetheless.

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There are no absolute answers.

It all depends on who you are and what are the implications.

A team like Afghanistan when set a target of 350 can decide to settle for 250 and will be applauded for a respectable total. They are the newcomers to the world of cricket. Same thing applies to Bermuda etc.

It applied to Bangladesh 4-5 years back, but not anymore. With an exception.

If team is playing a group match where NRR is eventually going to come into play and determine who qualifies, it becomes an added responsibility to decide at some point to give up the chase and settle for an achievable score. Not in the best spirits of the game, but wise nonetheless.

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Nicely put bro!
This post explains the fine line between win and loss so very well. The gray areas..as they say.. between absolute black and absolute white. We fans do need to start realizing that there is an area like that. We cant just go for the two extremes ignoring the 'other countless possible equations' that do count. Thinking in pure black and white (either win or get fully demoralized and start choking) cost us our quarter-final place in this WC..as I see it!

I would say...tagging a hard-fought loss as 'dignified loss' is even a sort of misleading wording of the actual facts..
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