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Old April 21, 2011, 09:54 AM
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shakib is a decent batsman, but his batting hardly matches up the quality of his bowling.

it does matter in what situation the runs came. that 283 chasing 370 gave everyone the impression that our batting was quite well, in fact, powerful. which was not true. it was a flash in the pan for a weak batting line up. i know shakib is one of our top 2-3 batsmen, but he has never proven that he is T20 material. not at the international level. he is still young, and he can prove me wrong, but as i said, i watch him for his bowling. his batting isn't my primary concern. he will play sensibly, build an innings, score some runs in a difficult sensible chase, but he wont explode too much.

ashraful's 94 of 52 was utter dominance, and that was something else. it also came at a pace and point the England team thought they might lose even after scoring 391. of course things fell apart once he was out.
Did you watch his batting in the tri nation series against Srilanka? That was definitely in a pressure situation & he blasted Murali-Mendis-Kula all over the ground. In fact, whenever he scored over 80, most of the time he scored at more than run a ball.
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Old April 21, 2011, 10:06 AM
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^plus he has scored two of the 25 fastest ever centuries. Just look at cricinfo stats.
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Old April 21, 2011, 10:26 AM
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you talking about the 92 off 69? when we got a bonus point against sri lanka to qualify for the tri series final? that was a top innings indeed. as i said, he is our top 2-3 batsman, and remember, those happened in ODI, where he got the chance to build an innings, and then explode.

to clarify my position: i think tamim is our best batsman, followed by shakib. shakib is a good ODI batsman, but he hasnt been much of a revelation for T20. hope things change, but atm, he isnt a good T20 batsman for sure.
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Old April 21, 2011, 10:41 AM
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Old April 21, 2011, 12:26 PM
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Shak has done well with the bat in the t20 wc

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Old April 21, 2011, 12:49 PM
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you talking about the 92 off 69? when we got a bonus point against sri lanka to qualify for the tri series final? that was a top innings indeed. as i said, he is our top 2-3 batsman, and remember, those happened in ODI, where he got the chance to build an innings, and then explode.

to clarify my position: i think tamim is our best batsman, followed by shakib. shakib is a good ODI batsman, but he hasnt been much of a revelation for T20. hope things change, but atm, he isnt a good T20 batsman for sure.
Tamim is the best batsman only in 'Tests'. Batsman Shakib has much better record in ODIs. In T20 both of them sucked & Tamim a bit more. So all things considered Shakib is slightly ahead of Tamim IMO, but Tamim certainly has the potential to be better than Shakib in all formats if he can learn to rotate the strike like Shakib.
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Old April 21, 2011, 07:12 PM
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shakib is a decent batsman, but his batting hardly matches up the quality of his bowling.

it does matter in what situation the runs came. that 283 chasing 370 gave everyone the impression that our batting was quite well, in fact, powerful. which was not true. it was a flash in the pan for a weak batting line up. i know shakib is one of our top 2-3 batsmen, but he has never proven that he is T20 material. not at the international level. he is still young, and he can prove me wrong, but as i said, i watch him for his bowling. his batting isn't my primary concern. he will play sensibly, build an innings, score some runs in a difficult sensible chase, but he wont explode too much.

ashraful's 94 of 52 was utter dominance, and that was something else. it also came at a pace and point the England team thought they might lose even after scoring 391. of course things fell apart once he was out.
Ok if that's your op, fair enough. As you've probably seen by now I'm of a different opinion.

BD were still in the game when Imrul was there chasing the Aussies' target, it wasn't like they'd thrown in the towel, so from Imrul and Nafees' perspective it probably wasn't a losing cause, it was only at the end.

BD have been scoring decent scores over the last few years so i wouldn't call those a flash in the pan. I would call the 58 and 78 flashes in the pan.

In that game of Ashraful BD had something like 194 after 34 overs with 5 wicks in hand needing 200 off the last 16, England were never really in danger, contrast that, we were 236/3 after 40 chasing a smaller target against India, which was a better placed position in my opinion. Let's wait and see, I think Shakib, other than ash is probably our best t20 batsman and hope to see him do well
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Old April 21, 2011, 08:39 PM
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To be honest, our batsmen in general are not good T20 batsmen. Actually Ash has probably been our best T20 batsman so far. Zunaed's record is pretty good as well. The others really struggle when it comes to T20s though. Shakib, I believe needs to be batting at #3 or #4 in T20s. Problem is there's no way with KKR he'll bat that high up the order. So not expecting much with the bat but it's great to see him doing well with the ball.
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Old April 21, 2011, 11:00 PM
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Yeah I agree. Shakib needs time to settle in and rotate the strike. He's not the kind of player who can hit from ball one like Tiwary. So I hope they send him up the order or they would simply be wasting him as a batsman.
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Old April 22, 2011, 01:48 AM
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Yeah I agree. Shakib needs time to settle in and rotate the strike. He's not the kind of player who can hit from ball one like Tiwary. So I hope they send him up the order or they would simply be wasting him as a batsman.
not sure about Tiwary I would say he is not like of Afridi or Yousuf pathan who can hit from the ball one. But certainly Shakib can hit ball from the beginning, have seen many times. Tiwary is playing already for a while in IPL plus in his home country where Shakib just started, give Shakib little time you will see where is Tiwary and where is Shakib... in this IPL people like Jadeja hitting why can't Shakib hit, it is matter of time for the master !!
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Old April 22, 2011, 02:14 AM
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don't take that comment that "shak can't hit from 1st ball like tiwari" as a criticism of shakib. it is just who he is. many superb batsmen like a jawabardhane or a kallis can't hit sixes from ball one.

btw, tiwary is a much more pedigreed batsman than jadeja. he averages 56 in 1st class and it is only bad luck (lost a year due to injury when he was in peak form) that he is not in the Indian team now. don't underestimate him just because he doesn't have much of an international record.
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Old April 22, 2011, 04:31 AM
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don't take that comment that "shak can't hit from 1st ball like tiwari" as a criticism of shakib. it is just who he is. many superb batsmen like a jawabardhane or a kallis can't hit sixes from ball one.

btw, tiwary is a much more pedigreed batsman than jadeja. he averages 56 in 1st class and it is only bad luck (lost a year due to injury when he was in peak form) that he is not in the Indian team now. don't underestimate him just because he doesn't have much of an international record.
there where points taken, I'm not underestimating him, haven't seen him playing international level, so I don't have much praise on my stock for him, yet !!
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Old April 22, 2011, 07:42 AM
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Old April 22, 2011, 07:50 AM
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Old April 22, 2011, 08:22 AM
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Old April 22, 2011, 08:32 AM
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I think Shakib will be benched next mactch after this performance ( dont argue that everyone bowled bad)....Lee is the example for weird team selection in KKR
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Old April 22, 2011, 08:38 AM
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I think Shakib will be benched next mactch after this performance ( dont argue that everyone bowled bad)....Lee is the example for weird team selection in KKR
But everyone did bowl bad.... And Gayle was just unstoppable.

And even if he gets benched for a game or two its fine. Everyone has a bad game here or there.
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Old April 22, 2011, 11:06 AM
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everyone bowled bad. sobaike pitaye tokta banae dise. iqbal abdulla's bowling looks good, because of kohli playing out to give gayle the century chance. but yes, gambhir shud hav tried him earlier.

shakib shud not be canned, haddin shud be canned.

or they can drop shakib for a couple of matches(not for performance), but to try out other combinations. i think, one of morgan & haddin shud be tried at a time. haddin cud be a good opening option in place of bisla. they can also try Doeschate for once. but i think it will be a mistake dropping shakib. he is the best specialist spinner in the squad, and shud not be dropped.
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Old April 22, 2011, 11:57 AM
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Terrible day today for Shak and KKR. I don't think he bowled bad, Gayle on his day is unstoppable. Especially on such a belter of a pitch. And I don't think they would be dumb enough to drop the 2nd highest wickettaker just because of one poor bowling performance.

Morgan should be dropped imo and lee should come back. Though I would like to see Kallis dropped, if he's not bowling he should not be in the t20 squad at all.
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Old April 22, 2011, 12:00 PM
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haddin should give way to RtenD. bisla should be the keeper but he should bat at 7 or 8.
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Old April 22, 2011, 12:03 PM
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don't take that comment that "shak can't hit from 1st ball like tiwari" as a criticism of shakib. it is just who he is. many superb batsmen like a jawabardhane or a kallis can't hit sixes from ball one.

btw, tiwary is a much more pedigreed batsman than jadeja. he averages 56 in 1st class and it is only bad luck (lost a year due to injury when he was in peak form) that he is not in the Indian team now. don't underestimate him just because he doesn't have much of an international record.
I'm not justifying Shak here, Tiwari is a better batsman and can hit boundaries at will, Shak compared to him is pretty limited and needs time to settle in and work singles which he is pretty good at imo.
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Old April 22, 2011, 12:09 PM
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haddin should give way to RtenD. bisla should be the keeper but he should bat at 7 or 8.
RTD is class, but I'm not sure he'd do well in IPL. I have seen him in big bash and wasn't that impressed tbh. Clearly not a big hitter imo. And thought haddin did alright in this match.
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Gayle dekhi bhaloi dholai diche Shakib re...poor Shak
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Gayle dekhi bhaloi dholai diche Shakib re...poor Shak
Khali eka shakib k dholai dey nai. Shobai khaise
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