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Old August 31, 2011, 11:32 PM
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This thread is on taming the shrew called T20. What has been our best T20 score in domestic league? IDK but certainly it didn't cross 200? Fact checkers?

Anyhoo, today India was at 104/1 at around 11 and then "collapsed" to mere 160ish when clearly 200 was on the cards. If anything after Raina got out they could've easily "TICKED OFF" singles.

To break the common misconception: T20 != slogging... it has the same kernel of an ODI game's philosophy: PA-C-ING... You have to know when to pace your innings and when NOT to throw your wickets rather stubbornly milk in singles. If Patel and the last guy managed to score around 10-15, it wouldn't have swayed in England's favor at all.

Let's focus on this format and what necessary steps BCB can take to ensure our actors don't sissy out in cold feet during matches which embeds this sub-format.
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Old August 31, 2011, 11:37 PM
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Highest totals
Team Score Overs RR Inns
Opposition Ground Match Date Scorecard
Sylhet Div 182/6 20.0 9.10 1
v Rajshahi Div Dhaka 15 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 180/7 20.0 9.00 1
v Chittagong D Dhaka 13 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 177/9 20.0 8.85 1
v Khulna Div Savar 12 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 163/4 19.2 8.43 2
v Khulna Div Dhaka 21 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 161/6 20.0 8.05 1
v Rajshahi Div Dhaka 21 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 156/8 20.0 7.80 2
v Sylhet Div Dhaka 15 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Dhaka Div 155 20.0 7.75 1
v Chittagong D Dhaka 16 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Sylhet Div 153/5 18.5 8.12 2
v Chittagong D Dhaka 12 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Chittagong D 152/7 20.0 7.60 1
v Sylhet Div Dhaka 12 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Dhaka Div 151/4 19.1 7.87 2
v Barisal Div Dhaka 12 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Sylhet Div 150/8 20.0 7.50 1
v Khulna Div Dhaka 17 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Barisal Div 149/7 20.0 7.45 1
v Dhaka Div Dhaka 12 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 142/6 20.0 7.10 1
v Dhaka Div Dhaka 19 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 141 19.3 7.23 2
v Rajshahi Div Savar 12 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 139 20.0 6.95 1
v Barisal Div Dhaka 18 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Chittagong D 138/8 20.0 6.90 2
v Dhaka Div Dhaka 16 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 134/4 19.4 6.81 2
v Sylhet Div Dhaka 19 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 133/4 17.1 7.74 2
v Chittagong D Dhaka 11 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Dhaka Div 133/6 20.0 6.65 1
v Sylhet Div Savar 13 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Chittagong D 132 19.3 6.76 1
v Rajshahi Div Dhaka 11 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Sylhet Div 131/8 20.0 6.55 1
v Khulna Div Dhaka 19 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Dhaka Div 130 19.5 6.55 2
v Rajshahi Div Dhaka 19 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Dhaka Div 127/3 18.5 6.74 2
v Khulna Div Dhaka 15 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 124/8 20.0 6.20 1
v Dhaka Div Dhaka 15 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Sylhet Div 120/6 19.1 6.26 2
v Barisal Div Dhaka 16 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Barisal Div 119 19.5 6.00 1
v Sylhet Div Dhaka 16 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Barisal Div 118/3 16.1 7.29 2
v Rajshahi Div Dhaka 13 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 115 19.1 6.00 1
v Barisal Div Dhaka 13 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Khulna Div 113/7 20.0 5.65 2
v Sylhet Div Dhaka 17 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Chittagong D 102/7 20.0 5.10 2
v Khulna Div Dhaka 13 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Chittagong D 95/2 13.5 6.86 2
v Barisal Div Savar 15 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Barisal Div 94 18.0 5.22 2
v Khulna Div Dhaka 18 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Sylhet Div 93 17.3 5.31 2
v Dhaka Div Savar 13 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Barisal Div 92 17.2 5.30 1
v Chittagong D Savar 15 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Dhaka Div 84/2 15.0 5.60 2
v Rajshahi Div Dhaka 17 Apr 2010 Twenty20
Rajshahi Div 83/7 20.0 4.15 1
v Dhaka Div Dhaka 17 Apr 2010 Twenty20


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Old August 31, 2011, 11:39 PM
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Of note: Imrul's innings

Khulna Division innings (20 overs maximum) R M B 4s 6s SR
Imrul Kayes c Marshall Ayub b Faisal Hossain 71 75 48 5 3 147.91

Anyone got more details on it?


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This thread is on taming the shrew called T20. What has been our best T20 score in domestic league? IDK but certainly it didn't cross 200? Fact checkers?

Anyhoo, today India was at 104/1 at around 11 and then "collapsed" to mere 160ish when clearly 200 was on the cards. If anything after Raina got out they could've easily "TICKED OFF" singles.

To break the common misconception: T20 != slogging... it has the same kernel of an ODI game's philosophy: PA-C-ING... You have to know when to pace your innings and when NOT to throw your wickets rather stubbornly milk in singles. If Patel and the last guy managed to score around 10-15, it wouldn't have swayed in England's favor at all.

Let's focus on this format and what necessary steps BCB can take to ensure our actors don't sissy out in cold feet during matches which embeds this sub-format.
Zeeshan bhai, this is the problem for BD cricket in ALL forms of the game, not just T20. If you have little skill you rely on big hits. The crowd then love you.

You have hit the problem for all the batting woes right there.
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Old September 1, 2011, 05:15 AM
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The T20 math isn't that difficult.

A 111141 over (only one boundary) can give you 9 runs. Thats a 180 or in most cases a winning total.

Our board, players, coaches and even a large portion of fans have shown a blatant disrespect and ignorance to this format instead of embracing the positives that can come about from it:

1. Pacing a quick innings
2. Providing a quick significant knock on demand
3. Bowlers learning the dot and wicket taking balls
4. How to bowl against overly aggressive batsmen
5. Tight fielding
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Old September 1, 2011, 08:02 AM
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The disappointing thing on that high score list is the fact that a score of 83 is on there
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Old September 1, 2011, 09:16 AM
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I only looked at the first few scorecards, the ones in which teams scored 160+. I was particularly impressed by Shuvagauto's performance, as he scored two pretty rapid fifties for Rajshahi, including one in the NCL T20 final! That is more than can be said about our 'taroka allrounder and captain'. He's only played 7 Twenty20 matches so it is too early to comment, but hopefully he will help us out of our T20 woes.
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Kapali played great knocks in both of sylhet's highest scores.... would like to see him in the t-20 team against west indies
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The T20 math isn't that difficult.

A 111141 over (only one boundary) can give you 9 runs. Thats a 180 or in most cases a winning total.
2.214. is more manageable. Any extra 4 or 6 is a bonus. Any player incapable of rotating strike should be dropped from the national team. I like the Australian team-selection philosophy: no guaranteed selection.
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Old September 1, 2011, 12:32 PM
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the t20 totals in our domestic tournaments are sooo low normally!
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^^cause our bowlers are extremely economical.
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T20 Champion of England are bottom of county division 2 (FC).

BTW that's my team Leicester.

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Old September 3, 2011, 10:16 AM
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my solution: blood a completely different, young team for T20, and add couple of the players from our regular squad (namely tamim and shakib).

(in no order)

tamim
sabbir
nasir
shuvagoto
shakib
dhiman
alauddin babu
anamul

throw in some more young recruits, maybe even fresh from academy. its time we stop playing junaid or raqibul for T20, infact most of the current lot is not fit for T20.
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Our approach to T-20 always baffled me. Given the fact that our batsman are ill equipped to play the longer version of the game in terms of skill and temperament, I thought when T-20 first came about we would grab this format straight away. I thought T-20 is a format that suits our current style of play which is to throw the bat at everything. Given the limited life span of each of our batters, 20 overs seemed like a perfect length for us to go out all guns blazing.
Instead BCB decided to cold shoulder this just like the Aussies did initially(they had every right to, considering they were no. 1 in the other formats). We, on the other hand, lost a great opportunity to attain some sort of credibility at least in the simplest format of cricket and rack up a few wins against major opposition.

Now T-20 is no longer a new thing. The other teams are way too far ahead of us with each nation having its own power hitters and t-20 specialist while we are left with choosing between the Junaid, Kayes and the Rockibuls...
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Team's fine. There should be a chabge in approach. My team:
Tamim
Imrul (Yes, the guy can score at great pace if he wills)
Junaid (same as the above)
Riyad (middle order)
Shakib
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Nasir
Alok/Milon/Shabbir (pro slogger)
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Imrul (Yes, the guy can score at great pace if he wills)
Junaid (same as the above)
I completely agree, these guys are actually quite naturally attacking, but have curbed their game slightly... Both are clean strikers though...
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Our approach to T-20 always baffled me. Given the fact that our batsman are ill equipped to play the longer version of the game in terms of skill and temperament, I thought when T-20 first came about we would grab this format straight away. I thought T-20 is a format that suits our current style of play which is to throw the bat at everything. Given the limited life span of each of our batters, 20 overs seemed like a perfect length for us to go out all guns blazing.
Instead BCB decided to cold shoulder this just like the Aussies did initially(they had every right to, considering they were no. 1 in the other formats). We, on the other hand, lost a great opportunity to attain some sort of credibility at least in the simplest format of cricket and rack up a few wins against major opposition.

Now T-20 is no longer a new thing. The other teams are way too far ahead of us with each nation having its own power hitters and t-20 specialist while we are left with choosing between the Junaid, Kayes and the Rockibuls...
Good response J.

Although you paint a rather negative picture, what would be the silver lining according to you? Are there are positive steps that the board has taken so far as far as arranging more domestic leagues or mini-cups?
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i thought NCL T20 was good. but whats the point? raqibul will still end up playing T20 matches and scoring 5 off 23 balls. and then quit the team because he wasnt picked for the T20 match in the next tour after his stellar performance, only to get back in the team.

young players, with the heart and the potential needs to be picked. and we can get some new blood for the national team this way, and ease some of the better ones into the ODI squad that way.

currently, it is very easy playing for Bangladesh cricket team. all u need is an academy background, couple of good seasons. and some good performance in ODIs confirms a spot in all three formats. ki ajib selection policy!
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The only silver lining that I see is that we have a new coach who is prepared to change things when results don't come our way. The way he gave opportunities to Nasir and hom leads me to believe he will try to blood in a few more for the t20 setup. Whether the politics and selectors will allow it or not is the big question

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Let these guys loose!

1. Tamim -Gayle .25. LOW IQ

2. Fazle Rabbi -Tamim 1.5. Ebharez IQ

3. Bijauy (WK) -can consolidate, perfect "virtual opener" when necessary. IQ: 140

4. Shakib (C) -abar jigay?!? IQ: 130

5. Alok (VC) -can consolidate and switch gears. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. IQ: 130

6. Shubhagauto -can consolidate and switch gears. IQ: 130

7. Nasir -can consolidate and switch gears. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. IQ: 130

8. Rumman -hot head but can hit cleanly. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. LOW IQ

9. Alauddin Babu -can hit cleanly. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format (a LOT of work because of his hyatetik, bhodai bowling). Ebharez IQ

10. Shubhashish -hot head but can slog powerfully. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. LOW IQ

11. Rubel -abar jigay?!? Ebharez IQ

9 Batters.

3 Seamers, 2 with wicket taking ability, only 1 without the ability to bat.

4 Spinners, each with unique ability (Shakib: overall scripting & occasional turn; Alok: flight & drift; Nasir: turn; Rumman: surprising pace and bounce).

1 REAL WK.
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The problem is our players can't adapt diff version of game that quickly. if they play test, they cant play 0di, if they play odi, cant play 20/20

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Let these guys loose!

1. Tamim -Gayle .25. LOW IQ

2. Fazle Rabbi -Tamim 1.5. Ebharez IQ

3. Bijauy (WK) -can consolidate, perfect "virtual opener" when necessary. IQ: 140

4. Shakib (C) -abar jigay?!? IQ: 130

5. Alok (VC) -can consolidate and switch gears. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. IQ: 130

6. Shubhagauto -can consolidate and switch gears. IQ: 130

7. Nasir -can consolidate and switch gears. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. IQ: 130

8. Rumman -hot head but can hit cleanly. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. LOW IQ

9. Alauddin Babu -can hit cleanly. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format (a LOT of work because of his hyatetik, bhodai bowling). Ebharez IQ

10. Shubhashish -hot head but can slog powerfully. Bowlingwise, needs to find the right balance of economy and wicket-taking ability needed for the format. LOW IQ

11. Rubel -abar jigay?!? Ebharez IQ

9 Batters.

3 Seamers, 2 with wicket taking ability, only 1 without the ability to bat.

4 Spinners, each with unique ability (Shakib: overall scripting & occasional turn; Alok: flight & drift; Nasir: turn; Rumman: surprising pace and bounce).

1 REAL WK.
good to see sabbir in the line-up and t20s could be a good way to groom anamul (but don't want him to lose his FC ability). nasir, rubel and shubashis are good picks, tamim and shakib are good picks, shuvagoto is also a good pick. main questions in that line-up for me would be alok (had his chances already), rabbi (but is there anyone else?) and alauddin.
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The T20 math isn't that difficult.

A 111141 over (only one boundary) can give you 9 runs. Thats a 180 or in most cases a winning total.

Our board, players, coaches and even a large portion of fans have shown a blatant disrespect and ignorance to this format instead of embracing the positives that can come about from it:

1. Pacing a quick innings
2. Providing a quick significant knock on demand
3. Bowlers learning the dot and wicket taking balls
4. How to bowl against overly aggressive batsmen
5. Tight fielding
6. Good running between the wickets
7. Keeping the scoreboard ticking
That's us, we're always playing catch-up. Setting up an FC league after getting the Test status, arranging more practice matches before a tour after getting pounded by Zimbabwe and falling behind in T20s are just a few examples. Failing to take a proactive approach to just about anything is characteristic of our lazy culture, but I'd like to think there will be a few exceptions, at least in cricket, in the near future.
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