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Old March 27, 2016, 01:40 AM
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Default Struggling to play quality spin

We hv showcased tremendous weakness on how to play spin bowling. I still remember Ashraful's first hundred how he played Murali and co. It was a treat to watch.

Tamim played indian spinners so well in that 151 he made against india in 2010. But he seems clueless now against spinners. Ashwin was toying with him. Jadeja read him, stumped him.

Shakib tries to cut too many balls offside. But he is a good player against spin along with mushfiq and mullah

Throughout the tourney, most of our batsman struggled against spinners. Afridi, ashwin, jadeja, raina, zampa, santana(nz), sodhi, nathan mccullum. Spinners got most of the wickets in all the games.

Wats going on. Y all of a sudden our batsman r so poor against playing spinners?

Our spinners cant turn and thats why they r used to playing medium pacers who called them spinners. Thats y when they face quality spinners, they hv no idea how to play them.

Only Sabbir seems to b at ease at playing spinners. Soumya looks like deer caught in a headlight when ball is turning.
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Old March 27, 2016, 02:17 AM
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From what I have seen, our batsmen barely play straight bat against the spinners.
They either play too many cross batted strokes on the leg or slices hard on the off. Also dancing down the wicket is very poor for most of our batsmen. Almost always its pre mediated. They expose their intentions way to early.

Most importantly, none of our batsmen can play the off or on drive to the spinners, something Ash was brilliant at. Reaching out to the pitch of the ball and driving it. Rather then reaching out to the pitch of the bowl, our batsmen ten to go down the track and there get stumped or edged.
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Old March 27, 2016, 02:19 AM
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From what I have seen, our batsmen barely play straight to the spinners. They either play too many cross batted strokes on the leg or slices hard on the off. Also dancing down the wicket is very poor for most of our batsmen. Almost always its pre mediated. They expose their intentions way to early. Most importantly, none of our batsmen can play the off or on drive to the spinners, something Ash was brilliant at. Reaching out to the pitch of the ball and driving it. Rather then reaching out to the pitch of the bowl, our batsmen ten to go down the track and there get stumped or edged.
Those cover drives from Ash were magnificent. Seems like he cud hv played with his eyes closed
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Old March 27, 2016, 03:38 AM
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From what I have seen, our batsmen barely play straight bat against the spinners.
They either play too many cross batted strokes on the leg or slices hard on the off. Also dancing down the wicket is very poor for most of our batsmen. Almost always its pre mediated. They expose their intentions way to early.

Most importantly, none of our batsmen can play the off or on drive to the spinners, something Ash was brilliant at. Reaching out to the pitch of the ball and driving it. Rather then reaching out to the pitch of the bowl, our batsmen ten to go down the track and there get stumped or edged.
But, if you play with a straight bat, won't you get edged every time? Especially as this lot struggle with spin to begin with, as it seems from their recent performance.

Yes, you won't be bowled out, and won't be stumped either, as a straight bat allows more defense and balance. You will connect with the ball, and when you miss, you can quickly get back to the crease. However, you will get edged with a straight bat. Hence why coaches instruct you to play cross batted strokes or the sweep against spin.

Anyway, our batsmen were so darn horrible against slow bowling, I don't think it comes down to technique but more a mental block. Just because it's t20, I feel that they focus a bit too much on boundary strokes, rather than finding the gaps for ones and twos. There also seems to be extreme negativity on going at a run a ball, even when the situation demands that you do for the time being. Just because it's t20, they have this notion in their head that either you should hit a six after some time, or you should get out. Imagine how scary that is, if your whole batting order thinks that way, and all go out like that one by one. When the situation demands partnership, you must build one. Don't give the spinners too many dots, muster up the guts to commit to some shots for ones and twos, that should be easier than getting 4s and 6s.
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Old March 27, 2016, 10:33 AM
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I guess one theory is we ve got a very average spin attack-in domestic cricket, in the nets. And once these guys are exposed to proper spinners they struggle.

Guys like Duminy and Raina come to Dhaka and extract more turn than our frontline spinners. A definite problem there.
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Old March 29, 2016, 02:54 PM
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From what I have seen, our batsmen barely play straight bat against the spinners.
They either play too many cross batted strokes on the leg or slices hard on the off. Also dancing down the wicket is very poor for most of our batsmen. Almost always its pre mediated. They expose their intentions way to early.

Most importantly, none of our batsmen can play the off or on drive to the spinners, something Ash was brilliant at. Reaching out to the pitch of the ball and driving it. Rather then reaching out to the pitch of the bowl, our batsmen ten to go down the track and there get stumped or edged.
In a slow pitch, you can get away with that. In a faster one, you can't. Sabbir & Soumya plays drives well I feel. But Soumya's feet seldom moves.
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Old March 29, 2016, 07:02 PM
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We hv showcased tremendous weakness on how to play spin bowling. I still remember Ashraful's first hundred how he played Murali and co. It was a treat to watch.

Tamim played indian spinners so well in that 151 he made against india in 2010. But he seems clueless now against spinners. Ashwin was toying with him. Jadeja read him, stumped him.

Shakib tries to cut too many balls offside. But he is a good player against spin along with mushfiq and mullah

Throughout the tourney, most of our batsman struggled against spinners. Afridi, ashwin, jadeja, raina, zampa, santana(nz), sodhi, nathan mccullum. Spinners got most of the wickets in all the games.

Wats going on. Y all of a sudden our batsman r so poor against playing spinners?

Our spinners cant turn and thats why they r used to playing medium pacers who called them spinners. Thats y when they face quality spinners, they hv no idea how to play them.

Only Sabbir seems to b at ease at playing spinners. Soumya looks like deer caught in a headlight when ball is turning.
Sabbir can't play spin all that well, neither does mahmadullah.. He can't pick googlies
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Old March 29, 2016, 09:04 PM
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lack of test cricket, last of quality spinners in the nets.
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Old March 29, 2016, 11:48 PM
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Take a look at our domestics, its wickets galore for our 'spinners' (or w/e you want to call them). Debut them, and they are only good for one Zim series (their players will own our new stock after just one series) and look completely harmless and toothless against any other quality opposition. If the batsmen being produced in our domestic level capitulate to our mediocre ones, they won't even last against half-decent spinners from other teams let alone quality ones like Ashwin
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I'd say Rahim is one of our best players of spin, still remember that 80 he made v Murali & co in 2007. He has been poorly utilised in T20s especially in the India game where the lefties were finding Ashwin unplayable so sending Rahim in early when run a ball was required could have done the job.

Overall, yes we do have serious issues against spin and it is partly to do with our ever weakening spin attacks domestically which is now woefully exposed on the world stage.
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Old March 30, 2016, 10:57 AM
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This is a superstar thread TBH. Teams' ability to play quality spin is going downhill every season.
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