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Old August 23, 2015, 02:33 AM
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I've been trying to give something back to Bangladesh since the BPL finished badly and corruption was involved in it. So it is really disappointing that after many months of discussions and work, behind the scenes, with plans and how it can all work - the well-known local sponsor for my Bangladesh Pace Foundation that was set for Dhaka and Chittagong this November, and my idea for a national Pacer Hunt, has pulled out.

Worse still, I am hearing the sponsor has been persuaded to do it with someone else.

II am sure that Bangladeshi players, fans and potential fast bowlers, don't care who runs such an event or how it is conducted. But I just wanted people to understand I have been negotiating this for many months discretely.

There are very few people who can teach pace or care about Bangladesh, other than for the money they can earn. News like this disheartens me when my ideas (and sponsors) effectively if not literally, get stolen.

On another note.. I hope BPL3 actually works. I know of a few UK based players who want to come and earn money and as one said to me "I have a wedding to pay for". Corruption is almost impossible to stamp out when players are willing to accept money to fix parts of matches. The danger is with franchises being told to expect no returns of their investment in the short term, that this lends itself to making money from matches even more attractive for certain people. Any televised event is subject to betting - and the environment for making extra cash. The anti corruption unit will have their hands full.

I sincerely hope that everything works out and isn't simply for show.
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Old August 23, 2015, 06:05 AM
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Sorry to be straight! in the books of BCB your return to Bangladesh is forever banned!

Good luck with all your future projects and jobs, have a nice day

You have turned up just when BPL is about to happen again, BCB has noted all you have done.

If BCB wants, they have the money and capability to hire better coach's to run a pace foundation etc..

Why would BCB need a pace foundation now? when we are producing good and upcoming pacers! nonsense.

I don't think they would look at you any more, especially when you kicked them at the wrong time.. with the media.

The players from UK can come for whatever reason they want, to pay for a wedding, to get married, we don't care.
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Old August 23, 2015, 06:21 AM
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^Everybody is somewhere to earn money. thats the main thing in life. are you saying you are doing your job because you love it and you would have done it even if you were not paid?
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Old August 23, 2015, 06:28 AM
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^Everybody is somewhere to earn money. thats the main thing in life. are you saying you are doing your job because you love it and you would have done it even if you were not paid?
"I've been trying to give something back to Bangladesh since the BPL finished badly and corruption was involved in it."

What was he trying to give back? No-one works for free, that is true, but his tone is to sympathy like. He wants to give back, he is not saying i want to set a pace foundation so i can earn at the same time teach others, or i want to run a project that would be financially successful for me and at the same time helpful to the youngsters. He is saying he wants to give something back? what does he want to give back? At the time, where we have good coach's at all levels, where our pacers from national to domestic are on the up, what does he want to give back? some of us here have been following him very closely, and personally, i don't want BCB to keep him.
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Old August 23, 2015, 06:52 AM
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Ian, it is definitely frustrating if sponsors pull out at the last minute when they agreed to work with you in setting up the pace foundation. Was the deal agreed in principle and you were seen as one of the coaches who would be involved or was it more advanced with agreements signed?

In the former case, a sponsor or a board has the right to explore all possible options and take decisions which would suit them best. You may feel bad, but that's how it works in professional life. Period.

In the latter case, if an agreement was signed, it is unprofessional and deplorable, and you should consider your legal options.
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Old August 23, 2015, 07:16 AM
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Worse still, I am hearing the sponsor has been persuaded to do it with someone else.

There are very few people who can teach pace or care about Bangladesh, other than for the money they can earn. News like this disheartens me when my ideas (and sponsors) get stolen.
I am curious about the underlined statements. When you say your 'ideas were stolen', you imply that there were novel elements about the pace foundation concept, that you disclosed to the potential sponsors, and they have given it away to a third party. Is that correct? If it was about setting up a pace foundation - in general - then it isn't your intellectual property and can't be protected. Also, did you commit these negotiations to paper, in the form of a contract/agreement? Pre-contractual negotiations can fall away at any time. It's a necessary corollary to the freedom of contract and its difficult (if not impossible) to enforce in common law courts.
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Old August 23, 2015, 07:59 AM
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Don't get all the hate for Ian here. To my knowledge, Ian cared about our cricket and did work well for say with Rubel. We executed successfully many plans with his stint. He contributed in BC forum as well and enjoyed a good understanding with the members here.

What's the missing link that I am not aware about that turned so much hate towards Ian? I genuinely want to know.

Also why are we acting so bold and talking like we don't need a pace foundation? Are you ****ing serious? Just because we have a good bunnch of fast bowlers atm does not mean they will be coming in numbers. You got to have a system. Ian trying to set up a pace foundation here and gets the hate. Don't fall into the trap of thinking the other guys who are implementing it are made of heavens.

The purpose of the foundation should be noble. To be able to generate quality fast bowlers like taskin and mustafiz in future. To get our pace pipeline stronger. This is not for business.
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Old August 23, 2015, 08:26 AM
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How good is our pace attack in test matches? The idea of pace foundation should be supported and materialized sooner than later.
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Old August 23, 2015, 08:51 AM
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Hi Ian, good to see you around.

As you mention you've been trying to give something back to Bangladesh since BPL, would you please enlighten us with some of the things you've done or planning to do ?
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Old August 23, 2015, 09:29 AM
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This is what happens in BD. You are not alone, this is not only in Cricket, and not a new thing. This is what is holding us back. Dishonesty. Not keeping words. Ultimately taking advantage of others to get more wealth (knowledge as well). Little they know this has grave consequences. They think they won but in reality they have lost immensely.

May they come to sense when there is still time and rectify mistakes. Sorry to hear that Pont.
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Old August 23, 2015, 09:52 AM
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Why would BCB need a pace foundation now? when we are producing good and upcoming pacers! nonsense.
With the rise of a few pacers suddenly we mustn't worry about the major lingering issue in our cricket system, proper thriving pacers. I knew people this sort of attitude and ignorance would arise and blossom after our recent success, suddenly we are world beaters and we don't need any functioning system to help develop young pacers.

You take the cake in representing the problematic mob mentality eroding our chances of sustained success.

Ignore him Ian.
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Old August 23, 2015, 09:54 AM
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Ian, dont know what to say, not even heard anything on Pace Fundation in local news yet. At the end we fans can do jack anyway. However, doesnt matter whoever involved ... we like to see that the plan been materialized. Like to see you around BPL, who knows your care for Bangladesh might see the day one way or another.
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Old August 23, 2015, 10:07 AM
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With the rise of a few pacers suddenly we mustn't worry about the major lingering issue in our cricket system, proper thriving pacers. I knew people this sort of attitude and ignorance would arise and blossom after our recent success, suddenly we are world beaters and we don't need any functioning system to help develop young pacers.

You take the cake in representing the problematic mob mentality eroding our chances of sustained success.

Ignore him Ian.
The current system we have in place is working fine. The main focus of developing youngsters at young age (U-19 level) is paying dividends. Look at India, they have so many academies, pace foundation et all, but they can not produce X-factor pace bowler! I am sure, Ian Pont will tell you about his so called student Mohit Sharma, who he has often referred to as his student (he must have turned into a world class player right)? With time and patience, you will see the structure in Bangladesh improve and more young pace bowlers will come through with proper mentality and good attitude. If you can provide me with real evidence that a pace foundation produces excellent players.. please give me some info on that. Thank you.
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Old August 23, 2015, 10:39 AM
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I am not sure if setting up a pace foundation is a practical idea for us. It took us bloody long time to get the academy properly functional. Why don't utilise the existing resources and have a pace bowling department at the academy? Why does Ian Pont has to have his own academy for Bangladehis to learn pace bowling? I know few countires where Ian Pont doesn't have his academy but they are doing just fine. You pay money and anyone will come and teach you. And I am glad to say that we can afford few good ones. In fact, we currently have a very good one, who has been doing doing a fantastic job without making a big splash.
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Old August 23, 2015, 10:49 AM
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I am not sure if setting up a pace foundation is a practical idea for us. It took us bloody long time to get the academy properly functional. Why don't utilise the existing resources and have a pace bowling department at the academy? Why does Ian Pont has to have his own academy for Bangladehis to learn pace bowling? I know few countires where Ian Pont doesn't have his academy but they are doing just fine. You pay money and anyone will come and teach you. And I am glad to say that we can afford few good ones. In fact, we currently have a very good one, who has been doing doing a fantastic job without making a big splash.
BCB has got a pace foundation already in place. Your point is very valid! we should look to make this pace foundation more operational for the players and also resourceful so players development is proper structured. Most of the things we already have, it is rather the lack of interest from BCB in actually providing more support or intensifying in making those pace foundations more better for the players. As i said in my above post, with the way things are moving in Bangladesh cricket, in time this will be all sorted out. Example Mustafizur Rahman was admitted to the BCB's pace foundation and than went to play for U-19 and now the national team, we need more focus on this particular pace foundation so we get more good pacers coming through, it just shows, that it can work. This will be done, i am very confident.
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Old August 23, 2015, 11:24 AM
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My profile is new in this forum, but I'm not new here. I've been following BC from 2006. Had other profiles which I lost because of some technical issues. But I've been following BC all-along. What I say is from what I've seen in this forum, Ian Pont is one of the very few foreign support professional/coach who always was keen to help Bangladesh cricket, and one of the very few who actually love and care for our cricket without the expectation of getting any benefit from that. Yes he is a cricket professional, consultation/coaching is his bread & butter day in day out. So it's very normal and acknowledge-able that he may seek financial gain from his primary purpose which is giving something back to Bangladesh cricket by setting up a pace foundation. So I find it pretty unfair the flac Ian is getting from some of the posters. People should at-least give him the respect for his contribution to our cricket for the rise of our cricket to where it is now.
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Old August 23, 2015, 12:32 PM
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BCB has got a pace foundation already in place. Your point is very valid! we should look to make this pace foundation more operational for the players and also resourceful so players development is proper structured. Most of the things we already have, it is rather the lack of interest from BCB in actually providing more support or intensifying in making those pace foundations more better for the players. As i said in my above post, with the way things are moving in Bangladesh cricket, in time this will be all sorted out. Example Mustafizur Rahman was admitted to the BCB's pace foundation and than went to play for U-19 and now the national team, we need more focus on this particular pace foundation so we get more good pacers coming through, it just shows, that it can work. This will be done, i am very confident.
What BCB pace foundation are you talking about ?

Mustafiz is really not a product of our cricketing system. He is a raw talent. Rubel isn't either (from pacer hunt). Shahid played his cricket in Naryanganj and then fast tracked to BCL and now national team. Only Taskin seems to come through a proper system.

These are our front line bowlers now. Heath Streak can only work with them. After this top tier, the fringe pacers are awful.

Robiul/Shafiul faded, Shahadat nursing 6 months injury, AlAmin disciplined, Abul doing Abulami.

If any of the main pacers gets into injury, we will be seriously exposed.
Oh wait! That happened already.

Remember the time when Soumya opened the bowling in the Pak test? That shows we have serious lack of depth and whatever BCB is currently doing now isn't enough and efficient in terms of nurturing bench pacers.

So a pace foundation where the likes of fringe and upcoming players can practice and hone their skills is extremely important.

Otherwise our opening batsmen will be asked to open the bowling as well..
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Old August 23, 2015, 12:45 PM
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^^^totally agree. We need fast bowlers to have a place where they can train for specific fast bowling skills. Say, Mustafiz wants to work on his out-swinger that comes in to RHB, he needs specific training facilities and specific coaching for achieving that. A place where a fast bowler can learn and train for specialist Fast Bowling skills...
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What BCB pace foundation are you talking about ?

Mustafiz is really not a product of our cricketing system. He is a raw talent. Rubel isn't either (from pacer hunt). Shahid played his cricket in Naryanganj and then fast tracked to BCL and now national team. Only Taskin seems to come through a proper system.

These are our front line bowlers now. Heath Streak can only work with them. After this top tier, the fringe pacers are awful.

Robiul/Shafiul faded, Shahadat nursing 6 months injury, AlAmin disciplined, Abul doing Abulami.

If any of the main pacers gets into injury, we will be seriously exposed.
Oh wait! That happened already.

Remember the time when Soumya opened the bowling in the Pak test? That shows we have serious lack of depth and whatever BCB is currently doing now isn't enough and efficient in terms of nurturing bench pacers.

So a pace foundation where the likes of fringe and upcoming players can practice and hone their skills is extremely important.

Otherwise our opening batsmen will be asked to open the bowling as well..
You have not understood my point well. BCB has already a Pace Foundation, which is very much inefficient (not operational). My point was, as things have started to improve, e.g. the change in domestic cricket, more competitiveness has come in, more pacers are getting a chance for domestic teams, U-19 pacers are getting more exposure and focus compared to previous times, slowly I have utmost trust in Papon, he will find a way to make the most of those pace foundations or otherwise introduce something alternative to find and groom the future generation of young pacers. it is better to try and manage what we already have in place.. make it more efficient and productive, rather than start something from the scratch. We have been patient enough, i am sure we can wait few more years.
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You have not understood my point well. BCB has already a Pace Foundation, which is very much inefficient (not operational). My point was, as things have started to improve, e.g. the change in domestic cricket, more competitiveness has come in, more pacers are getting a chance for domestic teams, U-19 pacers are getting more exposure and focus compared to previous times, slowly I have utmost trust in Papon, he will find a way to make the most of those pace foundations or otherwise introduce something alternative to find and groom the future generation of young pacers. it is better to try and manage what we already have in place.. make it more efficient and productive, rather than start something from the scratch. We have been patient enough, i am sure we can wait few more years.


Are you saying we do not need a private pace foundation, because BCB has a pace foundation? So we can say, we do not need a private university because we have Dhaka University, we do not need Pilot's academy because BCB has an academy?

I do not agree with you. Because of Wahidul Ghani's academy we have Ashraful, because of a private academy in Shatkhira, we have Mustafiz (his brother took him to that academy first). Ian's academy can certainly play a complementary and positive role.
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What Miraz said.
Just out of curiosity Ian, do you have any communication with those in power at BCB? Are you indeed persona non grata over there as some members are implying. That would be poor on our part. We are not in a position to spur technical professionals at this moment of our cricketing development.
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BCB has already a Pace Foundation, which is very much inefficient (not operational).
Where are you getting information from? We don't have any program that is strictly dedicated to fast bowling. Are you referring to the high performance unit? They cover all aspect of cricket not just fast bowling.
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Can you please let us know more about the Pace Foundation thing you were about to set up ?
I guess now that it did not work out, would you please let us know who were the local companies you were talking to that backed off ?
Yes, pulling out right before it happens can be very frustrating, but did they give you any reasons for their immature behavior ?
Its not you, its them, who are responsible and I think the fans have the right to know.
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Old August 24, 2015, 02:15 AM
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Interesting reaction of the first few posters. That no new fast bowlers are needed and basically no specialist speed coaching is needed?

The idea of my Pace Foundation (nothing to do with the BCB) was similar to MRF in India but FAR better and UPF that I have already set up in Bangalore and has been going successfully for 18 months. But the one in Bangladesh would be open all, free to use and helping coach the local coaches to teach fast bowling in the ways of developing raw talent. We would use local club facilities or set up some new ones.

The Ultimate Pace Foundation (UPF) was due to start end of October/early November 2015 and 2016, before the BPL. If the board or anyone else is going to do one, I wish all involved the best.

It's finally time for me to bid you farewell.....Thank you Bangladesh and Good Night. It's been quite a ride
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Old August 24, 2015, 04:20 AM
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IMO I think we should all atleast appreciate that Ian has taken his time to put forward his views to us Bangladeshi fans, regardless of wether we agree or disagree with Ian's his views. This is just common courtesy.

I feel sorry he has been betrayed by a sponsor in such a manner. I think he should have made the sponsor atleast sign some kind of clause before he went into any discussions.

However, taking by example of MRF's pace foundation since the inception in 1987, India hasnt prouduced that many World Class pacers who are Indian. However we have seen better pacers & more in number emerge from Pakistan & Sri Lanka. Would Bangladesh be actually benefitting from such a organisation?
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