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Old December 15, 2011, 10:59 AM
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Default Where are we after 40 years? What can we do to make it better?

Clearly, we are not where we could have been. Countries like Malaysia and South Korea were in similar positions in 1971, but they have since become industrial giants. A want to ask everyone two questions:
  1. What can we do ideally over the next 5/10 years, to take Bangladesh forward?
  2. What steps practically can be undertaken over the next 5/10 years, given the current situation/environment?
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Old December 15, 2011, 11:21 AM
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Old December 15, 2011, 11:28 AM
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Where are we after 40 years?

I am currently in DC, living in VA.
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Old December 15, 2011, 11:32 AM
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Make (apply force if needed) Hasina and Khaleda retire from politics.

Change the culture of we did this we did that to we are doing this we are doing that.
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as long as we have the two khalamas and their chamchas aro 40 year eo BD akhon jekhane ase sekhanei thakbe..sudhu manus barbe
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Old December 15, 2011, 11:46 AM
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But once this khalamas are gone, their chamchas will take over. Je lau shei kodu i.
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While we could have done better but we have definately come a long way. Our biggest problem has been the population. I mean put this many people in such a small space with as little resources and there will be problems.

Lets face it... No matter what policy u implement and how u do things.. we could never be a malaysia. As I said we could have done better but the responsibility must be shared equally by every citizen of our country and not just the politicians.
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Old December 15, 2011, 11:52 AM
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as long as we have the two khalamas and their chamchas aro 40 year eo BD akhon jekhane ase sekhanei thakbe..sudhu manus barbe
I don't believe nothing can be done. Yes, because of the current political situation, we might be able to advance 3 steps instead of 100. But, 3 is greater than 0.

So, let me ask again. What can we do that we are not doing now, to get some positive results, despite the current, horrible situation? kissu hobe na bole boshe thakle asholei kissu hobe na!
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But once this khalamas are gone, their chamchas will take over. Je lau shei kodu i.
Its not the khalammas but the family based politics that is the bane of our bliss. If you think Hasina/Khaleda is bad.. wait till their son's come to power...
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hahaha,isn't this the same question we ask when we say "Where we are after 10-11 years of Test status" moner dukkhe hashi
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We go nowhere, just like our cricket. Just some tad improvements here and there.
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Old December 15, 2011, 12:09 PM
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hahaha,isn't this the same question we ask when we say "Where we are after 10-11 years of Test status" moner dukkhe hashi
With cricket, there is not much we can do individually or collectively. But, for the overall improvements of the country, each of us can do something, no matter how small it is.
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Old December 15, 2011, 12:13 PM
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Come on, bhais and bons! Let us, for one day, leave the skeptic behind and think. A lot of invention happened because the experts did not have an opportunity to tell the inventors that it cannot be done.

There must be some small things each of us can do. Even if it is to buy only Bangladesh-made clothing in stores or help establish a cottage industry or whatever...

I'll not take no for an answer. Not today. You have to come up with some feasible ideas.
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We aren't doing that bad. For the last couple of years --

1. Economy is growing at more than 5%
2. Garment industry and remittance income is booming.
3. Poverty has been greatly reduced and now you won't find a single citizen dying out of famine.
4. Girl's education is at an all time high and social awareness in areas of child development and family planning has improved.

I wouldn't say we are regressing like our cricket team. We are improving but at a snail's pace. If we have competent leaders like B Chowdhury, Kamal Hossain, Zafar Iqbal, and other technocrats in our govt, our future is bright. Talking about population, we have around 9 million workers working overseas. In some degree, we are taking advantage of our burden.
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as long as we have the two khalamas and their chamchas aro 40 year eo BD akhon jekhane ase sekhanei thakbe..sudhu manus barbe
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First thing first, Bangladesh needs proper flood control. Otherwise, all this build up will be merely washed away.
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Old December 15, 2011, 12:39 PM
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First thing first, Bangladesh needs proper flood control. Otherwise, all this build up will be merely washed away.
No, no, traffic jam on Dhaka first, so that we can go home from the airport as usual.
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Old December 15, 2011, 12:47 PM
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After all the shortcomings and the two disaster named Hasina and Khaleda, and everything else,

we are STILL way better off today than we were 40 years ago.

It could have/should have been much, much better, but the progress report does show a clear upward curve.
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Corruption is etched into the mind of the citizen during childhood. Thanks to poverty, survival instincts at the expense of others are encouraged and kick in early on in an individual's lifetime. The result - a culture of deception, ill mannerisms and impatience. The problems are probably deeper rooted than the current political leadership. Ironically, I believe a major overhaul of the political situation is the only way out.

The people are to blame. A nation can only become what its people will let it become. The people are corrupted bigots who are undeserving of democracy. In fact I doubt the people know what's best for them.

Communism could be a good option for a couple of decades, with an even distribution of income and a hard working population contributing to a better future. But even if we do find an honest government, it will lead to a public uproar due to a lack of understanding of what's best for the nation in the long run. The government will then have to respond with a blood bath.

What we really need, therefore, is for one power hungry, patriotic individual to rise from the heaps of despair, say enough is enough, form an army, raid the homes of political powerhouses and take prisoners, then rule the nation with an iron fist. We need this honest, no-nonsense dictator to *whip* the bull crap out of the citizens and to drive them to a better economy and a better society in general.

Of course, when (s)he begins to treat the nation as her/his property in thirty years, we should assassinate her/him and form a democratic government. But by then, we will have better employment, better roads and transportation, food and better health care for everyone, booming industries, greater international trade, a far superior literacy rate and finally be ready for democracy.

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Corruption is etched into the mind of the citizen during childhood. Thanks to poverty, survival instincts at the expense of others are encouraged and kick in early on in an individual's lifetime. The result - a culture of deception, ill mannerisms and impatience. The problems are probably deeper rooted than the current political leadership. Ironically, I believe a major overhaul of the political situation is the only way out.

The people are to blame. A nation can only become what its people will let it become. The people are corrupted bigots who are undeserving of democracy. In fact I doubt the people know what's best for them.

Communism could be a good option for a couple of decades, with an even distribution of income and a hard working population contributing to a better future. But even if we do find an honest government, it will lead to a public uproar due to a lack of understanding of what's best for the nation in the long run. The government will then have to respond with a blood bath.

What we really need, therefore, is for one power hungry, patriotic individual to rise from the heaps of despair, say enough is enough, form an army, raid the homes of political powerhouses and take prisoners, then rule the nation with an iron fist. We need this honest, no-nonsense dictator to *whip* the bull crap out of the citizens and to drive them to a better economy and a better society in general.

Of course, when (s)he begins to treat the nation as her/his property in thirty years, we should assassinate her/him and form a democratic government. But by then, we will have better employment, better roads and transportation, food and better health care for everyone, booming industries, greater international trade, a far superior literacy rate and finally be ready for democracy.

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I would disagree with few points you made. Bangladesh still depends a lot on Foreign Aid and UN Funding. If we become either communist or instill a dictatorship, we can kiss those billion dollars aids goodbye.

Very soon, the EU countries will stop buying our RMGs due to ethical issues. Our 5000 garment factories will start closing one by one and million more people will be unemployed. This is the perfect recipe for national disaster and becoming Sudan/Somalia.
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Agree with you except the first point..our neighbor Burma is much better off without those give and take Foreign aid and UN funding. Burma has been improving faster than BD because of Burma's strict population control.

What ever improvement we have in last 40 years, we are shamefully the least in the region. Even now-a-days, Bhutan is helping us in Hydro-Electric project.

However, I strongly agree with ATMR. We must change our ill political culture before we capture and sustain a real and holistic economic growth. But at the end, thieves never listen to the Preachers like ATMR because they like to continue their thivery for a better loathsome life.
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Corruption is etched into the mind of the citizen during childhood. Thanks to poverty, survival instincts at the expense of others are encouraged and kick in early on in an individual's lifetime. The result - a culture of deception, ill mannerisms and impatience. The problems are probably deeper rooted than the current political leadership. Ironically, I believe a major overhaul of the political situation is the only way out.

The people are to blame. A nation can only become what its people will let it become. The people are corrupted bigots who are undeserving of democracy. In fact I doubt the people know what's best for them.

Communism could be a good option for a couple of decades, with an even distribution of income and a hard working population contributing to a better future. But even if we do find an honest government, it will lead to a public uproar due to a lack of understanding of what's best for the nation in the long run. The government will then have to respond with a blood bath.

What we really need, therefore, is for one power hungry, patriotic individual to rise from the heaps of despair, say enough is enough, form an army, raid the homes of political powerhouses and take prisoners, then rule the nation with an iron fist. We need this honest, no-nonsense dictator to *whip* the bull crap out of the citizens and to drive them to a better economy and a better society in general.

Of course, when (s)he begins to treat the nation as her/his property in thirty years, we should assassinate her/him and form a democratic government. But by then, we will have better employment, better roads and transportation, food and better health care for everyone, booming industries, greater international trade, a far superior literacy rate and finally be ready for democracy.

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I guess you are saying that we need a poor man's Mahatir Mohammad. That is not a bad wish and might even happen one day. But, for today, I would like to focus on practical, feasible ideas. Something we can do, irrespective of who is in power or what the situation is. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a step. I want each of us to take one step. At least.

As I already said, I am unwilling to take no for an answer. Let us come up with some doable ideas and implement them. Don't worry. They don't have to be big.
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Clearly, we are not where we could have been. Countries like Malaysia and South Korea were in similar positions in 1971, but they have since become industrial giants. A want to ask everyone two questions:
  1. What can we do ideally over the next 5/10 years, to take Bangladesh forward?
  2. What steps practically can be undertaken over the next 5/10 years, given the current situation/environment?
Ideas?
Nice thread shuziburo-da.

Here is what I shared in "On The 40th Victory Day of Bangladesh" thread:
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~Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem!!!~
SubhanAllah, Alhamdulillah, Allahu Akbar!!!



Let's do something for our beloved BANGLADESH, inshAllah!
Big or small - it doesn't matter!

Here is the list of ideas that can be implemented at an individual or a collective (team-effort) level: (Feel free to share it with others!)

~ KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!~
~Don't need to wait till you become someone somewhere someday!!!~

- Help out our poor relatives --> and yes, EVERYONE has 'em! (by sponsoring a child's education and so on)

- Develop the area (district) of Bangladesh that we come from (or live in)!
---------> i.e. streets, cricket academy, health clinic, basic adult school, open a computer trainning center, you name it! Trust me, we need help in every sector!

- Open a business in Bangladesh to create jobs!

- Open an institution in Bangladesh to create opportunities for our youth/students!

- Open a non-profit organization (for adult education, clean water projects, sanitation etc.)

- Invest/Donate our time, intellects, expertise, ideas, resources etc. for developing Bangladesh

- Collaborate our work/institution/academy with Bangladesh

--------->Idea 1: If we are in academia of any foreign institutions (UK, US, CAN, AUS etc), we can collaborate with Bangladeshi Universities

--------->Idea 2: During a summer time, we can sponser a project and bring foreign exchange students in Bangladesh. It can increase the awareness of Bangladesh.

--------->Topics of the project may include: Arts, science, culture, language, engineering projects, landscape, environment (pretty much anything!)

--------->Idea 3: Similar to Sundarban study case (can't remember, but I read it in banglanews24.com)

- etc. etc. etc.

- Add your own idea and please share it with us.

~NOW~

LOOK at your LEFT, LOOK at your RIGHT, Now LOOK at yourself in the MIRROR and Point your index finger towards it!
and YES, YOU ARE THE ONE TO CHANGE BANGLADESH!!!

SO, JUST DO IT!!!

Let's change Bangladesh one life at a time, inshAllah!!!

As a reminder to both myself and everyone else, I'll leave you with this thought tonight...



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hehe,I thought Paniwala bhai opened a match thread here , but nice post, keep it up my dear.
a big hand to Shuziburo da aswell.

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