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Old February 19, 2012, 08:25 AM
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Views from the Edge: Dhaka Gladiators vs Khulna Royal Bengals II
Ian Pont
Head Coach of the Dhaka Gladiators and former National Bowling Coach, Ian Pont shares his views on the inaugural Bangladesh Premier League. Today Ian pens his views after the Gladiators lost again to the Khulna Royal Bengals in the 2nd phase of the tournament. "Simply not enough runs. Those are the true facts about the match against KRB, " he writes.

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Old February 19, 2012, 02:55 PM
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Thanks Ian:
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Ash played a responsible innings to bat through as long as he could.
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Old February 20, 2012, 01:32 AM
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Views from the Edge: Player Power
Ian Pont

Head Coach of the Dhaka Gladiators and former National Bowling Coach, Ian Pont shares his views on the inaugural Bangladesh Premier League. Today Ian talks about Player Power.


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Old February 20, 2012, 06:40 PM
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Haha. Shuru hoye gese pechhoner paye giye rokkhonattok bhongimai khela. Shafoller shomoy proshikkhoner gurutter kotha bolte bolte mukhe fena tule felen, r berthotai shimana dorir bhetorer ghotonar upor taar kono niyontron nei bole ekhon haat dhuye felte chaichhen.
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Old February 20, 2012, 06:47 PM
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Haha. Shuru hoye gese pechhoner paye giye rokkhonattok bhongimai khela. Shafoller shomoy proshikkhoner gurutter kotha bolte bolte mukhe fena tule felen, r berthotai shimana dorir bhetorer ghotonar upor taar kono niyontron nei bole ekhon haat dhuye felte chaichhen.
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"Here starts the backfoot defensive play. But on success, you foam at the mouth repeating over and over the importance of coaching. On failure, you wash your hands off saying you have no control over the events inside the boundary rope."
If you wish to criticize , do it so the coach can understand you.
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Old February 20, 2012, 06:55 PM
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Zunaid made me laugh

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Old February 20, 2012, 06:56 PM
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Nice translation doc

But I understand why i_1_primeval_man spoke his Bangali mind. Obvious criticism of the Coach was unofficially prohibited before. Posts have been deleted, warning have been issued for criticising/arguing against the Coach. Who would expect such a sudden U-turn?
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Nice translation doc
Quick post deletion before I could translate yours too. I still can.
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Old February 20, 2012, 07:15 PM
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If you wish to criticize , do it so the coach can understand you.
I thought writing BANGLA using English fonts were perfectly allowed in this forum. My comment/criticism was my opinion on the article and was not exactly intended for the coach. I was just sharing my view/opinion with other BC members. I didn't feel it was necessary for me to write in English as I was not writing or replying to him.

Well, I would like to add more to my criticism/opinion in English now.I had a feeling of Deja Vu while reading the article. During WC 2011, when our bowlers leaked too many runs, Ian blamed it on the mental strength of the bowlers and tried to convice us how he had no control over it. But he didn't shy away from taking the credits everytime they put on a good show. I see the similar trend in his writings in analysing DG's performance.
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Old February 20, 2012, 07:19 PM
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Quick post deletion before I could translate yours too. I still can.
Well, I was about to translate myself but wasn't sure about your level of tolerance. Anyway happy for you to translate. That was nothing secretive. Definitely no reason to be ashamed either. Just thought I would wait till more people feel the same way 'cause only that is considered rational and tolerated.
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Old February 21, 2012, 03:17 AM
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Ex coach Ian pont sent a message to BC via E-mail, since he was unable to login.

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As a coach you can only prepare a player for playing. The more time you have and the more you work one to one with them, the more you can help them change.

In T20, clearly there is little time. As a head coach as well, you don't specifically coach but MANAGE. As a specialist coach (batting, bowling, fielding) you are more targeted and have a clear role.

But however long you have with a player and however much you do with them, it is down to the player themselves to execute the skill.

A coach can make big differences with skill levels and developing a player to be able to be far better. But whether they deliver what they have practiced is the player's own execution.

When a player does what he has learned, when he bowls the ball where he has practiced or hit the ball how the coach has trained it, then credit goes to the player for executing it under pressure. If he cannot deliver that skill he has learned then all the coaching on the planet will not help him.

Ultimately, it is about the players and how they act when the heat is on. A coaches role is to prepare them and skill them for that. Coaches work hard developing new things, improving standards and helping with levels of effectiveness. We are trainers and teachers of skill. And you know how effective a good teacher can be.

But if the players do not do well, if the pupils fail the exam, if the professionals play like amateurs - then the coach can only watch like a fan, and feel the same as a fan.

Coaches cannot play FOR the players. They can simply skill them. The rest is down to the player to execute what they have learned.

I hope that is clear.

Naturally, when a player does well, ALL the staff are delighted the training, preparation and planning comes off. if you have never played the game or coached the game it is hard to appreciate the dynamic behind this.

Ultimately, you can't make a silk purse out of a cow's ear. Coaches mold a player to be as good as they can. Whether they listen and apply it is all down to the player. We are simply here as coaches to offer help, advice and make changes - if the players want that.

Some players do and also apply what they learn. These go on to be the better players. Some don't and end up as average players. No coach can force a player who doesn't want to try harder or learn. Think back to your own school days!

I hope this helps. Cricket is complex and human emotions even harder to understand. Players take full responsibility for their actions on the field. They are the ones out there doing it, after all.
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Old February 21, 2012, 04:45 AM
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Ex coach Ian pont sent a message to BC via E-mail, since he was unable to login.
Thanks Ian.
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Old February 21, 2012, 06:02 AM
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Haha. Shuru hoye gese pechhoner paye giye rokkhonattok bhongimai khela. Shafoller shomoy proshikkhoner gurutter kotha bolte bolte mukhe fena tule felen, r berthotai shimana dorir bhetorer ghotonar upor taar kono niyontron nei bole ekhon haat dhuye felte chaichhen.
Bhai let me say the first person to get sacked from any team is the coach. Coaches come and go but players have the luxury of being around long after any coach has gone. Just see what's happened to Dean Jones with Chittagong Kings.

Rightly (or wrongly in my view) the coaches are judged on the players ability to execute plans. The coaches job is to develop skill levels, awareness, tactics, mindsets and technique - but it counts for nothing if the players do not use that and instead go out and fail to execute it.

You can have the best planning in the world but you only as good as the players taking the field to deliver it.

I don't see this as back foot defence or trying to sidestep any responsibility. I am firmly saying the players are the ones doing the playing. If you wanna slag off the coach or heap praise on the coach, that is your choice. The fools who shout "bhua, bhua" from the stands when people are trying their best, are the ones who don't get what it happening.

From my viewpoint personally, while I was here with the national team we won 10 from 14 matches played. Those stats go on my record as coach. We could have lost all 14 matches. I would still be the same coach.

The fact is Dale Steyn is one of my former students. The fact he has gone on to become the world's best fast bowlers is also true.

I don't "claim" these successes as mine.... I state them as facts.

Dale Steyn could have become the world's WORST fast bowler. I still would have been his coach.

A coach doesn't make a player bad or good overnight. Only a player can do that himself.
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Old February 21, 2012, 09:41 AM
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Geez guys!! Get a grip. Look at the overall comments not one specific paragraph if you want to focus and make a general comment.

I think Ian has done an excellent job from the day 1, on giving credit to the opponents which he didn't had to. These negates every accusation of "I am the Man while winning and losers will lose when going gets tough - passing the buck."
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Bhai let me say the first person to get sacked from any team is the coach. Coaches come and go but players have the luxury of being around long after any coach has gone. Just see what's happened to Dean Jones with Chittagong Kings.

Rightly (or wrongly in my view) the coaches are judged on the players ability to execute plans. The coaches job is to develop skill levels, awareness, tactics, mindsets and technique - but it counts for nothing if the players do not use that and instead go out and fail to execute it.

You can have the best planning in the world but you only as good as the players taking the field to deliver it.

I don't see this as back foot defence or trying to sidestep any responsibility. I am firmly saying the players are the ones doing the playing. If you wanna slag off the coach or heap praise on the coach, that is your choice. The fools who shout "bhua, bhua" from the stands when people are trying their best, are the ones who don't get what it happening.

From my viewpoint personally, while I was here with the national team we won 10 from 14 matches played. Those stats go on my record as coach. We could have lost all 14 matches. I would still be the same coach.

The fact is Dale Steyn is one of my former students. The fact he has gone on to become the world's best fast bowlers is also true.

I don't "claim" these successes as mine.... I state them as facts.

Dale Steyn could have become the world's WORST fast bowler. I still would have been his coach.

A coach doesn't make a player bad or good overnight. Only a player can do that himself.
Very well said.

The difference between a good coach and a bad coach is that, a good coach knows how to have a better influence on a player's ability ... That's his Knowledge, Skill and Attitude. Although this BPL had very less time for the coaches to have any real influence. While the negatives are inherent to a player and positives are somewhat induced by a coach, because a coach never (exceptions are there) teaches negativity. So, a coach even for a short time always gets a credit for being able to even hold on to the existing positives of a player.

I don't want to blame/assess any coach in this tournament. The only job a coach could have done in such short period is to assess the players abilities and get the right combination to implement the plan. if vital players like Azhar and Mash is out of playing 11, what the coach can do?? And don't bother about 'Bhua' because, people sometimes just say it for fun....

But I enjoyed your response to the Bangla post and in a Bangla way starting with bhai....

Any way well done so far, since i have seen some positive changes in some of the players during this tournament. Butjust don't get it right against BB, rest is ok...
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imho, players should stop blaming the coaches at all. A coach is there to just make sure that the players are in good grove during the tournament. Afterall, its only a 3 week tournament and I think its more about player performance than anything else, more so because its T20

Mr. Ian Pont, salute to you for you services. The outburst of the fans is more about frustration on the team and its management(with you as its centre) just for losing a couple of matches rather than distrust on your ability as a coach. When the team will be on its wining ways, the same fans could be voting for you as the next coach of BD
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Dhaka Gladitor is on the right hand, with Ian, Fountain and Rafiq, they are bound to bounce back!
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Azhar Mahmood gave a shout out to Ian and the rest of the coaching staff during his MoM speech against SR.
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Views from the Edge: Dhaka Gladiators vs Sylhet Royals II
Ian Pont

Head Coach of the Dhaka Gladiators and former National Bowling Coach, Ian Pont shares his views on the inaugural Bangladesh Premier League. Ian reports on coming back from back-to-back defeats to pick up momentum going into the final stretch.

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It was an important win that you can never take for granted. Although Sylhet had lost every match so far, there is always a danger you can switch off on not be focused playing a side that have nothing left but pride to play for.With a really small crowd, too and no real atmosphere it was imperative that we motivated ourselves and stepped up to redress the two losses we suffered after three wins in a row.

On the day everyone played their part with highly professional performance. We sat down as a squad and discussed our previous matches and what needed to happen. It was a genuine thrill to witness Rana Naved showing just what he can do with a ball. Three wickets and a superb spell of death bowling showed just why we backed him fully throughout this competition so far.The bowlers all performed well with the spin twins of Elias Sunny and MH Rubel again showing just why they have featured in the national side. Azhar Mahmood and Mashrafe worked in partnership to stifle the run rate in the early stages whilst taking wickets.

It was additionally an opportunity to try to improve our net run rate so Ashraful and Imran Nazir set about scoring 10-11 an over until Imran suffered a sickening blow to the head from a bouncer from Peter Trego. It was a worrying moment but he was in great medical hands. He went to hospital and had scans. The initial results are positive and whilst keeping an eye on him over the 24 hours, we are hopeful he will make a full and speedy recovery.

The momentum of the innings was not lost though and towards the end we sent in Keiron Pollard to finish the match, which he did with three 6s in a blistering six-ball 22 not out.

We fly back to Dhaka and face up to the team above us on net run rate, Chittagong on the 24th. They have slipped badly lately and lost both matches at home. So we hope the impetus is with us as the crowd really makes a noise for us at Mirpur.

I am pleased how the players responded to the defeats. Lessons have hopefully been learned. There are three matches left in the second round and all is to play for still.

We need the Dhaka fans to really get behind us and roar us on.
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I think today, Mashrafee showed very little of his batting prowess that we used to see during his prime. They couldve made it had they atleast tried to go with straight bat and boundaries than sixes..but Masrhafee was absolutely clueless again and trying to bat with his eyes closed. Even Shahadat couldve done better than him.Nevertheless, I am happy with the way he bowled and his bowling line is really encouraging!!

But one player really amazes me is Rana Naveed. That guy is absolutely in the game and would risk everything to save boundaries. It seems like his bowling has even improved significantly with Dhaka Gladiators!!
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Views from the Edge: Dhaka Gladiators vs Chittagong Kings II
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Head Coach of the Dhaka Gladiators and former National Bowling Coach, Ian Pont shares his views on the inaugural Bangladesh Premier League. Ian writes after the 2nd game against the Chittagong Kings. He says, "With just two points covering the top 5 sides, it is mathematically possible for any of the teams to miss out on the semi-finals and no team is safe, nor has any team qualified. It is both bizarre and yet enthralling but not good for the heart rate if you are coaching one of the teams."

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Views from the Edge: Dhaka Gladiators vs Chittagong Kings II
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Published: 24th February, 2012

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If we wanted to make things more difficult for ourselves, we just did it with the loss to Chittagong Kings. In a match dominated by the bowlers on a batting track that made it hard for easy boundaries to be hit, we witnessed some truly under par batting by the Dhaka team, especially after the last match.Earlier, the lads bowled superbly, with Elias Sunny yet again showing why he is one of the country's leading spin bowlers, with another three wickets.

The day started with illness and injury. MH Rubel was ruled out with a fever and Nazimuddin, initially selected to open the batting, was ruled out after a fitness test with the same issue. Imran Nazir was not allowed to play on medical advice and it forced a complete rejig of the team so we brought in Alexei Kervezee to open the batting and Dhimon Ghosh to keep wicket in his first match in the BPL. Merhab Hossain had also reported illness but was passed fit to play.

It was a great team effort to restrict CK to just 120.

What we then witnessed was a truly average batting performance from the overseas players. It put us under huge pressure when the run rate was still around a run a ball yet batsmen regular chipped the ball into the air and got out. Basic batting skills of singles and twos plus keeping the ball on the ground seemed to elude everyone. Some hope was given when the two keepers in the team Anamul and Dhimon, briefly nudged us towards the target with a 30-odd run partnership. However, Anamul's departure signaled a cluster of wickets and eventually we were bowled out on the last ball some 13 runs short.

With just two points covering the top 5 sides, it is mathematically possible for any of the teams to miss out on the semi-finals and no team is safe, nor has any team qualified. It is both bizarre and yet enthralling but not good for the heart rate if you are coaching one of the teams.

With Duronto Rajshahi losing to Sylhet Royals, it has opened the possibility of Sylhet having a genuine say in who makes the final four.

We play Barisal Burners next in what could be an absolute cliff-hanger. Net run rates are becoming vital. No one can now afford to slip up, with the likely winners of this match probably through. Yet, with the final round of matches throwing up some interesting permutations, the BPL refuses to lay down and be decided.

In the end the teams that can hold their nerve best will make it to the last four. In 24 hours we will know a lot more about who that is.

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Explains the absence of Nazimuddin.
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Question to Ian sir: Is it a deliberate ploy to play Ashraful bhai in slow gears so as to ease him into form for national squad? Also do coaches point out the silly shots that Ashraful bhai plays so that he can rectify:such as weird scoop 2 games ago? Then how come he refuses to learn from them? Overall are you happy with Ashraful bhai's performance?
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Looks like quite a few of the gladiators have been ill - whether by a bug or by a ball.
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