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Old February 21, 2012, 01:14 AM
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To be honest, I would urge a ban on these kind of Bangla writing in English alphabet. its a torture for the readers really.
Sorry, I don't have an option as avro doesn't work on my computer ..
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Old February 21, 2012, 01:18 AM
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Sorry, I don't have an option as avro doesn't work on my computer ..
Just use Google transliteration for phonetic typing:

http://www.google.com/transliterate/Bengali

add: অনেকেই বলছেন এই নীতি আমাদের বাকস্বাধীনতা আঘাত করবে .. কিভাবে? .... and so on
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Old February 21, 2012, 01:27 AM
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Just use Google transliteration for phonetic typing:

http://www.google.com/transliterate/Bengali

add: অনেকেই বলছেন এই নীতি আমাদের বাকস্বাধীনতা আঘাত করবে .. কিভাবে? .... and so on
wowww !! Thanks a lot !! Never tried that.. looks like magic
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Old February 21, 2012, 01:47 AM
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That indded works as magic! সব জান্তার জান্তা জুনাইদ!
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Old February 21, 2012, 02:01 AM
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To be honest, I would urge a ban on these kind of Bangla writing in English alphabet. its a torture for the readers really.



(there are some spelling mistakes I mean I didn't find a way to get the right spelling.. may be with practice it will get better )


অনেকেই বলছেন এই নীতি আমাদের বাকসাধীনতা এ আঘাত হানবে. কিভাবে ??? আমাদের বাকসাধীনতা তো আমাদের বাংলায় কথা বলার অধিকার দেয়.. ৫২ হয়েছিল ভাষার জন্য আর এই পদক্ষেপ এর উদ্দেশ্যও হচ্ছে এই ভাষাকে রখ্হা করা .. এইখানে ভুলটা কোথায় ?? এমন তো বলেনি যে মানুষ ইংরেজিতে কথা বললেই জেল এ ভরবে. এটা মিডিয়া এর জন্য কিছু নিয়ম কানুন বেধে দিছে যেটা তো ওদের এমনিতেই মেনে চলা উচিত ছিল.. হয় বাংলা বল নইলে ইংরেজি বল !! এই অর্ধেক বাঙালিত্বের অর্থ কি ?

আমাদের ইংরেজি এর প্রতি দুর্বলতা আজও গেল না !!! একজন ভালো ইংরেজি বলতে না পারলে আমাদের সমাজে অপদস্থ হতে হয় অথচ আমি আমাদের নতুন প্রজন্ম কে প্রতিনিয়তই ভুল বাংলা বলতে শুনি . ওদের বাবা মা এর ও ওদের শুধরে দেবার কোনো প্রচেষ্টা নেই কেননা তারা গর্বিত বোধ করে যে তাদের ছেলেমেয়েরা ইংরেজি বলতে পারে . এই মানসিকতা তাই তো আমাদের জন্য লজ্জার .. আর বর্তমানে এসব হাজার হাজার TV channel এ যেমন ইচ্ছে তেমন ভাবে উপস্থাপিকা রা উপস্থাপন করছে ... বাংলা গানের একটা অনুষ্ঠানে অর্ধেক ইংরেজি বলার প্রাসঙ্গিকতা কতখানি ?? নতুন প্রজন্ম তো এই মিডিয়া দ্দারাই প্রভাবিত, ওরা এই বাংলিশ ভাষাটা কেই cool মনে করে... ঢাকায় বড় হওয়া একটা ছোট বাচ্চার সাথে কথা বললে দেখবেন ওরা অনেক সহজ শব্দের জন্য ইংরেজির আশ্রয় নেয় কারণ তারা এর বাংলা প্রতিশব্দ জানেই না ...এতে করে কি কয়েক প্রজন্ম পরে আমাদের বাংলার অনেক শব্দ হারিয়ে যাবে না ??? ভারত তে ওদের অফিসিয়াল ভাষা হচ্ছে ইংরেজি আর ওদের অনেক অঞ্চলের লোক হিন্দী বলতে অনীহা প্রকাশ করে তাই ওদের মধ্যে ইংরেজি বলার প্রবণতা বেশি .. কিন্তু আমাদের অফিসিয়াল ভাষা তো বাংলা তা সেটা বিকৃত হতে দেখলে তো অবশ্যই পদক্ষেপ নিতে হবে ..

একটি স্বাধীন জাতিরও সমাজের জন্য কিছু নিয়ম কানুন এর প্রয়োজন হয়.. নইলে তো মানুষ বাকস্বাধীনতা আর বেক্তিস্বাধীনতার নামে যা খুশি করে বেড়াবে !! TV/Radio তে এমনিতেই অনেক নীতিমালা মেনে চলতে হয় তার সাথে এই একটি যোগ হলে এমন কোনো ক্ষতি হবে না বরং বাংলা অনুষ্ঠানগুলোর মান উন্নত হবে !!.
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Old February 21, 2012, 02:18 AM
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(there are some spelling mistakes I mean I didn't find a way to get the right spelling.. may be with practice it will get better )
If you backspace after it had transliterated, the Google transliterator will give you alternate variations - you pick what is correct.
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Old February 21, 2012, 02:34 AM
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Thank you Orannya, click and paste Bangla inside to fix Bangla font size, otherwise the words are too small to some dispaly.
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Old February 21, 2012, 02:37 AM
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Old February 21, 2012, 10:46 AM
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I would say the opposite. Will chose a less inflammatory word than "invasion" - assimilation. Look at English today? Much richer because it has readily adopted, adapted and co-opted from other languages.

That being said - I will not use assimilation to describe what is happening somewhat in Bangladesh. I would call it bastardization. I do see the problem.
I agree to disagree on English being richer nowadays than the old time. When a language don't have the words to express the thoughts only then it has the opportunity to grow (get rich). Words are used as similies, metaphors, analogy, figure of speech to overcome the word shortage.

English keeps importing words from other languages when there is a need; it just piggy backs on other langauages to express those feelings/thoughts. That doesn't make the langauge rich. Bangla language would face the same if we keep importing words from other languages. I am sure you have studied "Megnad bod kabbo" or part of it. To understand each and every word one had to do research. That is rich. - My two cents.
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Excellent post by Oronnya. And the following sums up everything that we need to know in this thread.
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...ঢাকায় বড় হওয়া একটা ছোট বাচ্চার সাথে কথা বললে দেখবেন ওরা অনেক সহজ শব্দের জন্য ইংরেজির আশ্রয় নেয় কারণ তারা এর বাংলা প্রতিশব্দ জানেই না ...এতে করে কি কয়েক প্রজন্ম পরে আমাদের বাংলার অনেক শব্দ হারিয়ে যাবে না ???
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Old February 21, 2012, 01:15 PM
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Excellent post by Oronnya. And the following sums up everything that we need to know in this thread.
Thank you Tigers_eye da !!!
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... ঢাকায় বড় হওয়া একটা ছোট বাচ্চার সাথে কথা বললে দেখবেন ওরা অনেক সহজ শব্দের জন্য ইংরেজির আশ্রয় নেয় কারণ তারা এর বাংলা প্রতিশব্দ জানেই না ...
What I find disturbing is that I have been seeing this phenomenon currently even among Bengali medium students.

In English medium students, this is a trait that I can understand, but not forgive (especially since I was an English medium student myself, and the Bangla syllabus taught in our school then was the same as that of SSC), but to see it happening in Bengali medium pupils is disturbing indeed.

Tangential remark: is it just me being overly sensitive, or do some of you feel that the pronunciation of Bangla vowels and consonants in some recent adhunik and pop songs is becoming corrupted (e.g. vowel sounds becoming shorter as in Hindi or English, "" being pronounced like the English "F", etc.?
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This ain't no jshoke. This is serious stuff.
Yes. We as a people died to speak our Bangla. to have it ruined is not acceptable to me. bangladesh must mean land not just of the people, but of the language, the food, the dress.

we should reject other inputs.
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Yes. We as a people died to speak our Bangla. to have it ruined is not acceptable to me. bangladesh must mean land not just of the people, but of the language, the food, the dress.

we should reject other inputs.
how will you "reject inputs" when you come to food and dress?
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i mean we should reject other inputs where they harm our identity. does eating pizza two times a week matter? no.

does losing how to speak bangla matter - yes.

this is my meaning.
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Oronnya, too many channels?? How many do you have?? Your neighbors have over a thousand (1000+) ... They didn't need a legislation?? And if some channel is talking rubbish, people will not watch it and it will die a natural death ?? So when there is a natural system/system of the market what's the problem?? Why we need a law?. Will the democratic government decide what I want to hear and see??

Huh I will miss those girls mixing Bangla-Eng and pronouncing Bnglala in a way I could never imagine... They look so cute when they do it... Ufff can't I have even that Much freedom in this country ..

Life is gonna be so boring now...
So you do like those cute but dumb girls .. age bolben na

On a serious note, This ban is not for public right? Girls and boys can still act cute with their Banglish accent!! But I am old school and I can't accept this Language Pollution specially when we are the only nation who fought for our own language. Do you think today's kids realize Ekusher Chetona?? For them 21she February is a day to celebrate. They wear fancy panjabi/ saree- go out and have fun. That's fine if you actually know what you are doing. But I don't think these kids realize that they are suffering from identity crisis. Na firingi hote pare na Bangali. So I appreciate this step as the intention is to protect our language. We have some rules for our Flag and not following those rules are interpreted as showing disrespect to the flag, likewise there should be some rules for language too. A fine line should be drawn between language pollution and language enrichment. The future generation should know how to show respect to their own language and media always plays a bigger role to influence people.
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Not sure why people are getting so bent over this...it's the courts issuing a rule on the government...this will cause a few articles to be written, and then forgotten and ignored. Nothing is going to change as a result of this interim rule by a group of judges.

Our courts order the government to do things every other month - stop deforestation, stop the taking over of Gulshan Lake, stop child labor etc etc...like all of the above, this too will be ignored.

We had some academics get a bit bent out of shape, they decided to go to the courts, the courts indulged them...the media decided this would be a fun filler - and so we've had a week long circus.

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Meanwhile on BPL some bimbo is interviewing another who's talking in Banglish about Ekushe chetona! Barf!
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Meanwhile on BPL some bimbo is interviewing another who's talking in Banglish about Ekushe chetona! Barf!
Stole it from me. I said the same thing here: http://www.banglacricket.com/chat/

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does losing how to speak bangla matter - yes.
And why does it matter? As long as people knows how to communicate and however they want to. If they don't want to speak in "pure bangla" then thats their choice. We live in a globalised world and all these culture vultures trying to preserve language and culture by force is plain stupid.

We have freedom of speech (or rather did until this came up).

Banning F-word and other swearings makes more sense than harmless fusion of two languages. This is a joke.
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Anyway first to be charged should be Hasina's son.

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I would say the opposite. Will chose a less inflammatory word than "invasion" - assimilation. Look at English today? Much richer because it has readily adopted, adapted and co-opted from other languages.

That being said - I will not use assimilation to describe what is happening somewhat in Bangladesh. I would call it bastardization. I do see the problem.
Exactly. Assimilation happens slowly and the language evolves. What we are seeing is, in fact, invasion.
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What I find disturbing is that I have been seeing this phenomenon currently even among Bengali medium students.

In English medium students, this is a trait that I can understand, but not forgive (especially since I was an English medium student myself, and the Bangla syllabus taught in our school then was the same as that of SSC), but to see it happening in Bengali medium pupils is disturbing indeed.

Tangential remark: is it just me being overly sensitive, or do some of you feel that the pronunciation of Bangla vowels and consonants in some recent adhunik and pop songs is becoming corrupted (e.g. vowel sounds becoming shorter as in Hindi or English, "" being pronounced like the English "F", etc.?
Although this bothers me a little, but not that much. What really bothers me is the fake accent that many DJ's use these days. They try to speak Bangla like someone who grew up in an English-speaking country, but you can tell easily that the accent is fake.
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And why does it matter? As long as people knows how to communicate and however they want to. If they don't want to speak in "pure bangla" then thats their choice. We live in a globalised world and all these culture vultures trying to preserve language and culture by force is plain stupid.

We have freedom of speech (or rather did until this came up).

Banning F-word and other swearings makes more sense than harmless fusion of two languages. This is a joke.
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It is impossible to comprehend with comfort how a group of eminent people backed by the court can decide who will speak where and how.
Agree to both...

What's the problem, if some people want to pronounce it in a different way?? What's the disregard or disrespect in that? Then Sylotie, Chatgia, Noakhali, Barishallya all local language should be banned, they aren't even remotely close to proper Bangla!!! DJ pronunciation is definitely loved by some, that's why they do it. Don't party if you don't like it or go to a club or channel that doesn't do thatway, if you dislike it... There is no shortage of choice. It doesn't really bother me if some kids even can't speak Bangla, I'm sure we have enough people and strength in our identity to accept that diversity in our society...
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What are some examples these hybrid Bangla-English words?
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