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Old May 9, 2012, 06:05 PM
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Default Riyad, team approach etc.

Ayo, what’s good in the hood Tiger farm?


This is the way I see it. For Bd cricket team, conservative batting is the future. I have too many bad memories of wicket falling ballets or renditions, sometimes as much as 4 batsmen falling in one over to believe that slow starters, slow innings builders should be condemned. Rather they should be praised and hugged as they are not giving their wicket away cheaply which had long been the trademark of our team.
Let’s talk about Riyadh. When the guy first came in, after 4 or 5 matches, he had an average of 79 or something I believe! Of course he couldn’t be expected to keep that up, or he would have been one of the greatest batsmen ever. My point is the guy is in no way inept. We have all seen him bat, he’s got a wider shot selection than most players, he’s patient with his strokes. Let’s give him some games higher up the order to see what he does. Every time we get a good score we have a chance. When we chase, every time we can keep our batsmen in for the last 10 overs, we have a chance. Both of these situations can be achieved by having more conservative batsmen like Riyadh in the team. We are looking forward to compete, aren’t we? Should we then not make it very difficult and annoying for other teams to face us? So we have a chance of victory every single damn time. Bd will always produce flair batsmen, no doubt. But I think giving a higher preference to batsmen like Mahmadullah is the way to go. For the sake of the future.


In a nutshell, my philosophy is to reduce the gap between us and other teams. Once we are within touching distance, evening our record with them for that particular year, then we can look for that killer blow, i.e. giving strike rate an equal importance.


For now let avg. > strike rate.
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Old May 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
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So you would say include Naeem Islam as well?
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Old May 10, 2012, 02:11 AM
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Riyad fails when we need his batting the most! His high average is just from him taking singles or not playing any risky shots when they've 'decided' the match is lost.
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Old May 10, 2012, 02:14 AM
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BD does not producte specialist bastmen like of tendulukar, sangakra, jaywardene etc.. we had high hopes to ASH but he sucks now.............
and we dont need him anymore.....
we are happy that he is not in the team
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Old May 10, 2012, 02:20 AM
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i like Mahmudullah. Its hard for him to have a position in the team because he bats at no. 4 which is already taken. He is not a finisher so he wont be batting low down the order.

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Old May 10, 2012, 02:46 AM
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Lullah has an average of 35..agree, but can anyone count the number of 50s? 4 at most!

This just shows that he is not a type of player suited to our needs. He doesnt bowl much, even when he comes to play at no.4 he doesnt go on to make a 50. I know he is not finisher but he has to do what he has to do. Even when the team needs some solidarity he gives it away. He is by no means a model for young cricketers. He has been playing in the team without gap and has played about 70 matches with little success when guys like ziaur on mominul coudve easily taken his place
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Old May 10, 2012, 03:00 AM
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I believe mahmuduallah is best bangladesh batsman with cool headed , i could tell we will see one day he will make 300 on test insallah , he is educated with great personality and great future for bangladeah cricket , people sometimes dont lyk him bcz of slow batting , but it understanable bcz not even inzamam or mohammad yousuf couldbe done that , not every one can be hard hitter , every one play their own game , every player has differwnt tactics , he almost played near 100 match and with high average shows its hard to get him out , its only possible when someone is really show his class on batting, he is best at number 4 , but using him at 7 or 8 or switiching around makes him uncomfortable , go riad
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Old May 10, 2012, 03:08 AM
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Mahmudullah Riyad is the Vice captain of the side and also potentially be a future leader. He is a very good player. He is the 2nd best All rounder after Shakib. He fill up the off spin option quite well.His average is 30+ Both Test and Odi which is very handy as a number 7 batsman. We have only 5 Automatic choice player At the moment In all Three Test,Odi,T-20 Format. ..Shakib,Tamim,Mushfique,Mahmud,Nasir.. Undoubtedly Riyad is very important part of BD sides in Bat and Bowl also very good fielder.
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Old May 10, 2012, 03:17 AM
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I remember the Thought of Legend Sunil Gavaskar. He said Mahmudullah is the best No 7 batsman in Bangladesh. He is very cool and and collective some thing which has lacking in Bangladesh side in past and also very handy off spinner. Sunil Gavaskar Like 2 Bangladeshi player. one is Shakib Al Hasan and another one is Mahmudullah Riyad.
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Old May 10, 2012, 03:21 AM
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Just dont forget Riyad won many game for us. i just imagine Riyad is Michale Bevan of Bangladesh.
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Old May 10, 2012, 03:25 AM
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Something needs to change with either Mahmudullah the player or the position he bats in ODI cricket. In the asia cup we needed 10-12 runs (i think) in the final over with him set at the crease. Yet he couldn't hit a single boundary. We simply need to look at Nasir as an example of the kind of cricketer we need in ODI and t-20 cricket... he is dynamic in the field, he can score big innings and he can be attacking when needed. Nasir has done more in the last 6-7 months than Mahmudullah and Naeem combined.

Mahmdullah can hold the innings when needed but he doesn't seem to have the backbone/confidence to take on the bowlers. We have Mominul, Anamul and Hom who seem to be much more talented. I would develop Mahmdullah as a Test middle order batsman and give his ODI position to a dynamic lower-order all rounder.
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Old May 10, 2012, 03:49 AM
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I think we need Mahmudullah in the lineup. Polock is right about Mahmudullah being a cool headed person.

Even though everyone might not like Kayes i like him. This is the same way i feel about Mahmudullah. He has the talent. I think he could be a rock in the middle/low order. He probably doesnt have the flashiness boundaries in his game but he can be solid.
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Old May 10, 2012, 04:14 AM
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So you would say include Naeem Islam as well?
Naeem hadn't done enough for me. Not enough batting personality at the crease. It's sort of like them Idol Shows where the judges tell a prospect that he just doesn't stand out and his/her personality needs to come out.
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Old May 10, 2012, 04:16 AM
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I think we need Mahmudullah in the lineup. Polock is right about Mahmudullah being a cool headed person.

Even though everyone might not like Kayes i like him. This is the same way i feel about Mahmudullah. He has the talent. I think he could be a rock in the middle/low order. He probably doesnt have the flashiness boundaries in his game but he can be solid.
Yeah, I like Kayes too. I said it before in this site and wanted him back in the side.
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Old May 10, 2012, 05:03 AM
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Riyad takes time to settle in and if he survives that, he can rotate the strike with reasonable ease and play safish strokes as well. He should play at number 4 in our ODI squad IF the top 3* can manage to wear-out some of the shine and not force him into the position of a virtual opener. In tests, he can bat lower down the order. He is not a T20I player IMHO.

That being said, he's mentally weak but not nearly the sissy Aumi is under pressure. He should be FORCED to play at number 4 in ODIs or should be dropped. Hom is a significantly better batsman than he is for number 7 or 8 because of both shotmaking and strike rotation.

He bowls well in tandem and can actually drift and turn the ball under the right conditions when playing tests. His ODI bowling is nothing to write home about. His fielding really sucks now and he needs to work on that. Marriage is ruining his potential.

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Old May 10, 2012, 05:16 AM
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Mahmudullah has that calmness about his game. What about the world cup when we were against England? Kayes and Shakib made a good partnership and after a wicket fell everyone else fell like flies including Naeem Islam.

When Mahmudullah came on he had a calmness about him. Even though Shafiul made the difference i think Mahmudullahs role in that win was crucial.

We could possibly try Mahmudullah out at #4 if Shakib bats at #5.

Also Mahmudullah bowled well in the one of the test matches against Pakistan.
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Old May 10, 2012, 05:25 AM
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Lullah is still lullah, when HAS he won us a match?? seriously, when??
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Old May 10, 2012, 05:32 AM
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Lullah is still lullah, when HAS he won us a match?? seriously, when??
You dont have to win a game for the team. You just have to contribute to the team. Tamim doesnt 'win matches' for the team. He contributes to the team.
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Old May 10, 2012, 05:56 AM
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Riyad and Nasir are essentially the same players. In the long run, when guys like Mominul are in the frame I don't see both being in the team together. As much as I like him, I don't see Riyad being a part of the team in two years time. I hope he steps up and proves me wrong because he's a great personality to have in the team.
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Old May 10, 2012, 06:04 AM
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Echoed my thoughts regarding mahmudullah as well I think he's underused as a bowler, bats well with the tail-batsmen should bat at positions they are comfortable with-if ryiad likes No8/7 and is comfortable with it and performs there, we should leave him there. I disagree with the comments "because he's good at no 8 we can make him our new no 4 etc"-A good no 8 doesn't necessarily make a good no 4 if the guy isn't mentally prepared to take the spot. It's different for other types of players-players like KP-mahmudullah mentally is not like KP.
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Yeah, I like Kayes too. I said it before in this site and wanted him back in the side.
Every side needs their hard workers to play around the flashier players-we've got a few now. As time goes on and we uncover more talent we can start clearing away the old debris but until then we play with what we have
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Old May 10, 2012, 06:10 AM
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Cannot say that about Nasir, c'mon! He's been impressive since his debut with an attitude normall associated with Shakib and Tamim. Not for once, he seemed bothered about his opposition while he had been on the field!
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Old May 10, 2012, 06:43 AM
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me like Ryad,he is a good persona & a good playa, he is cool headed, he can play under pressure but not as good as Nasir but technically better.
recently against Sri his not out 34 odd runs in quick time was indeed the key,then the WC match vs Eng,also his heroics in Tests while batting with the tail shows what he is capable of, but his role is very very confusing like where he should bat or should he be a regular bowler or a part timer etc.
Although he disappointed me quite a few times but I still have faith on him.
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Old May 10, 2012, 07:09 AM
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nasir is now an automatic pick
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Old May 10, 2012, 08:22 AM
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mahmudullah is a good bowler in tests. He might not have a good record in bowling in odi's but he is effective in tests. I remember he bowled really well in one of the days in a test match against pakistan but he bowled about 5 overs the next day which was dissapointing because he was bowled well on the previous day.

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Old May 10, 2012, 09:28 AM
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Like I've said before, he should either bat at #4/5 or just not be in the team. Because he doesn't bowl as much as Shakib does and also takes longer to accelerate then Mushy, Shakib, and Nasir. He's just not a #7/8. I think once we put Riyad in a position where he can build then we'll have a better idea of what he has to offer. It seems at the moment everyone including Riyad is just confused as to what his position is in the team. If he can take advantage and score runs at #4 then continue with him but if he doesn't then Mominul should come in and replace him.
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