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Old February 21, 2012, 08:24 AM
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Default How The Spinners Fared

T20 is supposed to a batsmans game. Its definitely not something bowlers would enjoy, especially spinners. But nevertheless its a good test for any bowler-a test of their technical ability as well as their ability to think and outfox the batsmen. How have your spinners been faring in BPL T20 2012? Definitely much better than some of the foreign bowlers. And if these guys played more in Chittagong they would have had far superior statistics.

Best Spinners in BPL (So Far)

Shakib- Still the best of the lot and should be our number 1 for both test and ODI. Most consistent. Can bowl according the situation-can attack, and can slow down opposition. 9 wickets so far in 7 matches and excellent economy rate.

Enamul Jnr- This guy is a must for the test team, and could also be a part of the shorter versions. Most attacking of all our bowlers and has the knack of picking wickets. 9 wickets in 6 matches. Good economy rate. If we manage him well he could be a match winner.

Arafat Sunny- Probably the revelation of the series so far. 8 wickets, and economy rate below 6. Some stunning deliveries to dismiss top quality batsmen in recent matches.

Elias Sunny-Has picked up 7 wickets, but probably doesnt seem as effective as the other Sunny. I think West Indies success was one time thing. Should be 3rd choice in tests. Shouldnt be in ODI's

Abdur Razzak- Economy rate below 6 is a positive. 7 wickets so far. This guy is our most experience spinner. But the selectors should only use him in shorter versions. Really doesnt deserve a place in tests. Enamul and Elias are much better

Suhrawadi Shuvo- Has been disappointing. Fairly expensive as well. A lot of us had a lot of hope in this guy. In BPL he hasnt done well, nor has done great in the ODI's he was given an opportunity in. Not at all ready for national team. Well behind the Sunny's

Saqlain Sajib- Very dangerous in one particular match. But other than that pretty average.

Mosharraf Hossain- Expected a lot more from him given his experience. Bowls a good line, but doesnt have wicket taking delivers.

Nabil Samad- Seemed very average in the 5 matches he has played. Weakest of all the spinners.

Didnt include part timers in the above list. Everyones a left arm spinner in the list. BCB needs to listen to Murali's advice-we need to find off spinners and leg spinners. But then again all the bowlers above have bowled far better than the Sri lankan legend so far

To summarize lets categorize spinners into two groups. The first group forces batsmen to make mistakes and get wickets-they beat them with turn, bounce, flight and variation. World class spinners fall in this category. The second group has bowlers who waits for batsmen to make mistakes-mis hit, poor footwork etc. Unfortunately except Shakib, Enamul and probably Arafat Sunny, everyone seems to be in the second category. Hope the BPL was an eye opener for selectors as much as it was for us the fans.
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Old February 21, 2012, 09:51 AM
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Good analysis.
Yes, one thing very notable and for better or for worse, we seems to be a breeding ground for SLAs.
Every one in the list is SLA !!!

If I have to mention couple more outside that group,

Marshall Ayub : Legbreak bowler. Good performance against the Kings picking 4 wickets. Chittagong has always been a spinning track, so it would interesting to see how he performs in Dhaka. He grabbed the opportunity presented to him and that's what matters the most.

Nor Hossain : I think he played one match only, right ?? Was up against Gayle on the opening match and could not make any impact against the Gayle Force. He should be given more opportunity since we are desperately in need of some variety.
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Old February 21, 2012, 10:32 AM
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noor hossain got only 1 match? wasn't he supposed to be the next great spinner of bd?
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Old February 21, 2012, 11:48 AM
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Compare that with
Murali (I know he is retired) 6 matches 19 overs 1 maiden 2 wickets 7.15 econ.
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Hogg 6 matches 23 overs 3 wickets 6.47 econ.
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Our boys are holding their own.
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Good analysis.
Yes, one thing very notable and for better or for worse, we seems to be a breeding ground for SLAs.
Every one in the list is SLA !!!
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Thank you Mo Rafique.
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Most impressed with Arafat sunny and Saqlain Sajib !!
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Old February 21, 2012, 11:54 AM
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Btw where is sohag gazi ?? Best offspinner and a good hitter down the order just played single game in the BPL !!!!!
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Old February 21, 2012, 11:56 AM
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Btw where is sohag gazi ?? Best offspinner and a good hitter down the order just played single game in the BPL !!!!!
SN was holding him back as a trumpcard to take a finesse trick at the end.
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A. Sunny------------------------>Enam+Razzak, shuvo, Saqlain, E.Sunny and the rest SLA in T20


Econ rate under 6 is not a joke!!!
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Old February 21, 2012, 11:17 PM
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As i said Arafat Sunny is the revelation of the series. Very clever bowler, can turn, can bat, can field-should easily be ahead of Elias. Selectors will keep their faith on Razzak, and you cant blame them-most experienced bowler. But imo Razzak should only play ODI's and T20's. No Razzak for tests please.

Sometimes you wonder how come we have an army of left arm spinners? Some people will say its the nature of the wickets which promotes slow left arm bowlers. For example: the Dhaka wicket hardly offers any turn and has low bounce. The most successful bowlers would be those who bowl a tight line and length and get the batsmen bowled and lbw. Left arm spinners can best do this. Another side will say guys like Rafique inspired a generation of spinners, and now Shakib and Razzak.

Whatever it is, its not a bad thing having left arm spinners. We have to do with what we have best. Question is are the selectors choosing the right ones?
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A. Sunny------------------------>Enam+Razzak, shuvo, Saqlain, E.Sunny and the rest SLA in T20

Econ rate under 6 is not a joke!!!

Razzak also have an econ under 6 !!
5.67 compared to Sunny's 5.62.
Not much of a difference.
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Razzak also have an econ under 6 !!
5.67 compared to Sunny's 5.62.
Not much of a difference.
We cant forgot that Razzak was the 4th best odi bowler in the world at one point (during the world cup) so we cant descredit him too easily. He is an economical bowler.
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Old February 22, 2012, 03:10 AM
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Razzak had his days-definitely. But he has never done enough to establish himself as a strike bowler a role which Rafique played. Shakib took over the mantle or the void left by Rafique. He still should be in our ODI plans and T20 plans as he is hard to get away with. All i am saying is he doesnt have enough variation and intelligence to be in tests.

Two key differences between Rafique and Razzak
1) Rafique used to beat batsmen with his intelligence guile. Plenty of variation-turn, arm ball, length and so on. Razzak mostly relies on batsmen making mistakes. Only time he forces an error is with his arm ball where he traps batsmen in front. Big difference in intelligence level and cleverness
2) Rafique was like a spinning version of Glenn McGrath. Very accurate, and didnt give anything away. Razzak will bowl a few good balls and then give some easy gifts, either one down the leg side or a long hop. So while Rafique used to build pressure, Razzak always gives away.
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Where's Shaker Ahmed? isn't he also a SLA spinner?
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Old February 22, 2012, 08:48 AM
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Another spinner worth keeping an eye on is Barisal Burner's Nazmul Islam Apu. He's just 20 but has shown a lot of maturity. Good action, accurate, can generate turn. Decent record in BPL-5 wickets, but high economy rate.
Unlike the Sunny's and Samads' and Sajibs this guy has only played 12 first class matches-so still very raw. But can definitely see him as a potential national team player.
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Another spinner worth keeping an eye on is Barisal Burner's Nazmul Islam Apu. He's just 20 but has shown a lot of maturity. Good action, accurate, can generate turn. Decent record in BPL-5 wickets, but high economy rate.
Unlike the Sunny's and Samads' and Sajibs this guy has only played 12 first class matches-so still very raw. But can definitely see him as a potential national team player.
Is he a SLA?

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Old February 22, 2012, 10:39 PM
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Yeah SLA yet again. One of the better bowlers for BB yesterday.
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The way Razzak has stormed back amongst the wickets, it'll be really hard for the other spinners to now take his spot in the Asia Cup. Also Elias Sunny has done his job and considering how he's done well in international cricket so far, I doubt someone will take his place. If the team management decided to take just 3 pacers and 4 SLA's on tour then we might see either Enamul or Arafat sneak in.
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Old February 23, 2012, 02:56 AM
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Shakib, Razzak, Enamul Jnr sounds a pretty dangerous combination. But this is unlikely to happen because the number 8 position will be a weakness in terms of batting unless we pick a bowling all rounder like F Reza.
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Old February 24, 2012, 10:14 PM
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Btw yesterday Noor Hossain's performance was noteworthy. Good control, line and length, and turn. Wasnt troubling the batsmen a lot, but i guess the wicket doesnt suit spinners much.

Anyone else knows anything more about him?
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Old February 28, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Elias Sunny keeps on taking wickets. Now joint leading wicket taker. Funny thing is he doesnt bowl anything special, just maintains line and length. But he keeps on picking wickets most of which are caught in the deep
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