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Old August 24, 2012, 04:10 PM
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Anamul Haque is the best cricketer Bangladesh ever produced ..Even Shakib al hasan is nothing infront of him
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Old August 24, 2012, 04:12 PM
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You mentioned big countries, by that u mean the big teams or the strong sides but we are no big team.
All these big teams that you are referring to had big names in their team,so they didnt need to organize a "hunger game" to hunt down young hot shots.
But we dont have that many big names,we can always delay the inclusion of Anam or Mominul but that meanz we will have to continue with the inconsistent players like Jahurul or Rokibul or Junaid or Ash.

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you got it. i would rather go through the process rather than repeating the process again and again and again. (cause we thought last couple of time those u19 were our saviors...)
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Old August 24, 2012, 04:39 PM
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Shakib and Tamim payed off during and since the WC07. Can we take more chances like that? Is it worth it?

It all comes down to the players. Will he be another Ash? Or are they capable of standing up like Shak and Tamim? We can't judge that, selectors can.
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Old August 24, 2012, 05:35 PM
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it does come down to the players. talent, work ethic, attitude and mental strength. australian's 10- years ago got selected as 30+ year olds, but now they are in transition and almost all debuts are under 30 or even 25 and under. look at pat cummins only 18, pattinson was only 20 or 21, khawaja is 25, hughes would have only been 18 or 19, warner is only 25, starc is just 22, peter forest 26, wade only 24, steve smith is just 23, a lot of teams right now are in transition, not many have the luxury of bringing in experienced 30+ years olds.

what it comes down to is selecting the best team, if a player performs domestically and can handle it mentally then why shouldn't they be picked?
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Old August 24, 2012, 06:00 PM
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Well done Anamul and congrats. Keep the good work up buddy
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Old August 24, 2012, 07:23 PM
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He certainly has an uncanny ability to score hundreds. He has a fantastic conversion rate from 50's to 100's (something that is unheard of in the BD team). That is the type of player BD is craving for at this moment.
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Are these all good signs?

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Old August 24, 2012, 07:40 PM
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He certainly has an uncanny ability to score hundreds. He has a fantastic conversion rate from 50's to 100's (something that is unheard of in the BD team). That is the type of player BD is craving for at this moment.
yes 100s are quite rare in BD, they are scored more often now than say 5 or 6 years ago but if you compare to australia, england, south africa, india etc compare the domestic stats and a lot more players score a lot more hundreds way more often than BD players do. his conversion rate is very good but what i like is that even if he's been having a bad string of scores he can still pull out a ton fairly regularly. so even if he's not in good form he still regularly hits big scores and that's pretty much never been done before in BD, not as regularly as anamul does it. he scored a centuries in the NCL, he scored did it in DPL, he's done it for this u19 world cup and that's just this year.
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Old August 24, 2012, 07:43 PM
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As we can see from the stats Anamul has the grit to hold and forge partnerships. 4 out of the 6 highest partnerships in Bangladesh youth cricket, Anamul has been part of. Look closely as to how low Tamim and Shakib are in that list.
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Old August 24, 2012, 07:45 PM
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Actually Miraz bhai, according to cricketacrhive.com, Anamul has played about 20 Academy matches compared to Nasir's 25 and some of the A team matches he played were when he was already in the national team. I also would like the same to happen with Anamul. He can play A team matches when national team tours aren't going on so he gets as exposed as possible. He shouldn't start out as the 1st choice starter but as a backup batsman and play if only and only if Ash and Junaid have a string of failures.

As for the people being concerned it's still too early, it's understandable but take a look at Ash and Aftab's U19 averages compared to Anamul. They both averaged in the teens whereas Anamul averaged almost a 36. Those 2 came in not because of production but just based on pure potential and also because the national team lacked quality players. Anamul has already been 1 of the top domestic batsmen in the country so we can clearly see that producing scores is not a problem for him plus he's got a lot of potential.

We have to understand this fact as well. Our top order besides Tamim is pretty poor. Notice how it's been harder for Mominul to get in despite scoring well in the A team. Why? Because our middle order is already set. Our top order is a different story. We lack consistency up there. Guys like Junaid, Imrul, Ash and Jahurul have already gotten chances and have proved for a very long time that they are nothing but fringe players. Of course I hope that these guys can eventually become 1st choice starters but it just hasn't happened. So I believe it's the right time to bring in a guy who can clearly challenge these guys.

Notice how I also don't want Asif in as well. Why? Because he's not ready yet. Ya he's been a good domestic batsman but he's been poor in the U19 circuit and as we can see, U19 stats do have merit. In my opinion, Anamul is a player that's ready for international cricket. Will it take him time? Of course and we can see with Nasir that he's far from the finished product but these 2 are guys are worth investing now and therefore he should be in the team.
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Old August 24, 2012, 07:53 PM
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Actually Miraz bhai, according to cricketacrhive.com, Anamul has played about 20 Academy matches compared to Nasir's 25 and some of the A team matches he played were when he was already in the national team. I also would like the same to happen with Anamul. He can play A team matches when national team tours aren't going on so he gets as exposed as possible. He shouldn't start out as the 1st choice starter but as a backup batsman and play if only and only if Ash and Junaid have a string of failures.

As for the people being concerned it's still too early, it's understandable but take a look at Ash and Aftab's U19 averages compared to Anamul. They both averaged in the teens whereas Anamul averaged almost a 36. Those 2 came in not because of production but just based on pure potential and also because the national team lacked quality players. Anamul has already been 1 of the top domestic batsmen in the country so we can clearly see that producing scores is not a problem for him plus he's got a lot of potential.

We have to understand this fact as well. Our top order besides Tamim is pretty poor. Notice how it's been harder for Mominul to get in despite scoring well in the A team. Why? Because our middle order is already set. Our top order is a different story. We lack consistency up there. Guys like Junaid, Imrul, Ash and Jahurul have already gotten chances and have proved for a very long time that they are nothing but fringe players. Of course I hope that these guys can eventually become 1st choice starters but it just hasn't happened. So I believe it's the right time to bring in a guy who can clearly challenge these guys.

Notice how I also don't want Asif in as well. Why? Because he's not ready yet. Ya he's been a good domestic batsman but he's been poor in the U19 circuit and as we can see, U19 stats do have merit. In my opinion, Anamul is a player that's ready for international cricket. Will it take him time? Of course and we can see with Nasir that he's far from the finished product but these 2 are guys are worth investing now and therefore he should be in the team.
great post, anamul has the stats backing him, he's also proven he can make big scores at all levels in all forms whether he's in good or bad form, he's made partnerships, he has the talent, he's been one of the top domestic batsmen for the last couple of years, as you've said he has quite a bit of A team experience. maybe he shouldn't be in the t20 squad, but definitely should be at elast in the squad for ODIs and tests, even if he doesn't start.
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Old August 25, 2012, 01:20 AM
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But it must be noted that Anamul should not be axed prematurely if he struggles to find his feet if given a cap - as he should and I hope he will be during our next Test/ODI series. If he is completely out of his depth with a single digit average through a few series, then OK, drop him. But if he averages around 20 or so, he deserves an extended run as does any talented player making a debut or a comeback.
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Old August 25, 2012, 01:23 AM
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Anyone who understands cricket and has actually witnessed the appalling quality of NCL matches over a period of time, knows that the NCL isn't and has never been a good place to develop a talented young player like Bijauy or current international stalwarts like Shakib, Tamim, Mashrafe, Mushfiq, Riyad or Nasir before him. Fact is, the NCL and to a lesser extent the DPL is woefully inadequate to prepare anyone for the highest level. EXTENSIVE A Team and Academy cricket would surely do a far better job but our A and Academy sides are often haphazardly assembled together by lazy and often clueless national selectors susceptible to lobbying, nepotism and shallow perception, and don't play enough for that to happen.

The National team is always full of dead weight that lose us matches at the highest level. That weight needs to be removed by young players with genuine ability until our domestic set up improves dramatically, AND rightly selected A and Academy Teams play enough cricket around the year to develop players capable of stepping into the National Team and have a better chance of sustaining success. That will take years.

Therefore there is no alternative to the proverbial "Baptism By Fire" for many of our young cricketers in the hope that they turn out to be like Shakib, Tamim, Mashrafe, Mushfiq, Riyad and Nasir and not like those, not always without ability, who can't seem to make it for a variety of reasons.

I'd select Bijauy right away from the current U19 side but will take my time with LKD, SoSa, Taskin and others.
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Old August 25, 2012, 01:52 AM
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Sohel Bhai,
Nasir badey anyone from the previous U-19 team?
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Old August 25, 2012, 02:14 AM
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Nasir badey anyone from the previous U-19 team?
Both Nasir and Rubel from the 2008 team are there already. Maybe Shubhashish is next. I haven't given up on Dollar Mahmud either, I think he has genuine potential with the bat, but he has to do a LOT of work on his own. Aumit also may have a shot if he manages to improve as he has.

From the 2010 team, I'd select Rumman as a number 7 power-hitter/finisher for the shorter formats right away. I rate Shouraubh (Mominul Haque) a lot higher than Ratul and would like to see him get a shot soon. I'd also like to see KKI Rabbi, Alauddin Babu (real potential as batsman like Dollar), and maybe Mahmudul Hasan if they continue to improve and get their respective shots eventually.
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But it must be noted that Anamul should not be axed prematurely if he struggles to find his feet if given a cap - as he should and I hope he will be during our next Test/ODI series. If he is completely out of his depth with a single digit average through a few series, then OK, drop him. But if he averages around 20 or so, he deserves an extended run as does any talented player making a debut or a comeback.
Why take such a gamble and send him in the tough arena of international cricket hoping he'd succeed? We better remember what happened to Shamsur Rahman and Suvagoto Hom. After getting dropped from the national squad they lost the motivation and confidence to perform.
Selectors must prepare Anamul to take on the tougher challenge by giving him chance to gain experience in the A team or Academy team, rather than throwing him in the lion's den irresponsibly. We can't afford to destroy yet another talent.
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Old August 25, 2012, 02:30 AM
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^Hom didn't do badly at all in ODIs (32, 35*, 9 in his 3 innings with 1 forced runout, and 1 unforced dismissal). His poor domestic performance was used as the excuse to drop him. I feel he or anybody else should only be dropped from the highest level of the sport ONLY when they repeatedly fail at that level. Our pitiful domestics mean nothing because of the monumental discrepancy in quality between the cricket there and international cricket.

We're not Australia, South Africa, England, India, Sri Lanka or even Pakistan when it comes to the QUALITY of our cricket infrastructure and MUST gamble to get rid of dead weight and strengthen our side. The gamble paid off with EVERY successful player we have in the team and there's always a good chance that it will continue to do so as long as we understand what real ability is, and select those players.
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Anamul Haque is the best cricketer Bangladesh ever produced ..Even Shakib al hasan is nothing infront of him
A bit over the top but yea he is going to be one of our main player in the near future (hope am not wrong about it)
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The obvious saying: Form is temporary, Class is permanent.

I think all of us know he is at a far superior level than his peers in the U19 side. He should be drafted into the XI gradually and selected for the squad from the next tour.

He is the highest scorer in the U19 WC, and with all those adrenaline and confidence running high, no better way to debut for the NT.

He should be challenged and International cricket is the platform for that. Playing in the domestic isn't enough and we hardly have A tours, so there is no point keeping him away.

But, even Anamul should realize that he should continuously strive to prove himself and to improve his game.

So if selectors make the right call and Anamul has the right attitude, he should be a long stay at no. 3 in the ODI's and Tests.

He should definitely be looked past for T20 at the moment.
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Who is a better performer between anamul and Mominul?Last time I made an analysis and if I can recall, Mominul did better in NCL. Who should be in the team first or both be in the same time? How will our team look if both are included in the team?
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But it must be noted that Anamul should not be axed prematurely if he struggles to find his feet if given a cap - as he should and I hope he will be during our next Test/ODI series. If he is completely out of his depth with a single digit average through a few series, then OK, drop him. But if he averages around 20 or so, he deserves an extended run as does any talented player making a debut or a comeback.
I agree wholeheartedly when it comes to Bijauy and other players with real ability, not the clueless, gutless and talentless types who regularly make it into the team thanks to gung-ho and talkative people who simply can't spot real ability or in some cases are simply ignorant about how the game should be played in real life. That being said, there aren't ANY like him at this point. There is Hom but I rate Bijauy higher than him. Rumman is also a good prospect as long as he's properly assigned the role he can play within the batting order in the shorter formats. Shouraubh or Fazle Rabbi is likely to get attention one of these days but I'll be very pleasantly surprised if either can manage to meet some of the higher expectations consistently without a lot of hard work with better bowlers under more challenging conditions.
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definitely he should be persisted with, an extended run nothing less.
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Congrats for being the highest scorer of U19 WC 2012. Great achievement indeed at that level.

Although it means very little unless he is doing the hard work to lift his game to match with the requirements of the highest level.

Nothing to get too exited with this performance and get blown away. Look at the batting stat table .. An Afghan is in the third position, and the two teams who are playing the finals, have their best batsmen in 17th and 23rd position in the table. But we all know these 23rd and 17th will become a much better cricketer in future than the Afghan guy. Apart from all the other advantages and reasons they have in their favor ... The main reason is they have the intent and passion to work hard to be one of the best in the game.

Anamul has proven his talent, he has the facilities and opportunities to be among the best, but he needs to do the HARD WORK... Does he have that passion and intention?? Time will answer that..

IMO, He should go through the rigors of high performance unit for at least an year and another half if necessary. Even if we are running short of player of his calibre in the National team, we should stop throwing in under cooked players in the national team. It's heart breaking to see young talented players struggling at the international level and learning elementary things in front of the world. Like, it was really painful to see this same Anamul struggling to reach double digit against Zimbo and 2nd string SA bowlers. At the end we were blaming him and Questioning him for that poor show, but unfortunately he was not the defaulter. One who threw him there without preparing him for that level is to be blamed. Let's stop this practice that we got into, because we had no option after getting the test status. But now I'm sure we can continue with the current lot for an year or two, to prepare A player who displays that talent and class for this level.
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