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Old March 22, 2012, 09:49 PM
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Default Alternatives by position for Tigers 2.0

Now that the Asia Cup is over and we have announced ourselves in a big way lets discuss the possible weaknesses that still remain and the players that could turn it into a strength by 2015.

To me the folowing are the unanswered questions
1. Who is the best partner for Tamim
2. Who should we try at number 3
3. Should Nasir bat at 4 or at 6?
4. Who will be our third pacer

We did great in this tournament and we can do even better if we can get this sorted out.
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Old March 22, 2012, 10:11 PM
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Next tournament is probably in September which is ICC T20. Gives us a good 5-6 months to prepare for the future. This period shouldnt be a holiday for Stuart Law and co. Rather gives us time to look into individual players skill development. Hope Law can work on the first team players, fringe players and emerging players.

Regarding the side, this would be my team for any ODI's

Tamim Iqbal
Junaid/Imrul Kayes
Rakibul Hasan/Junaid Siddique/Jahurul Islam
Mushfiqur Rahim
Shakib Al Hasan
Nasir Hossain
Mahmudullah Riyad
Elias Sunny/Arafat Sunny/Rubel Hossain
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Nazmul Hossain

Backup Options: Alok Kapali, Anamul, Enamul Jnr, Shafiul Islam, Naeem Islam, Ashraful etc.

Number 2, 3, 4 is a big headache for Bangladesh-something Law and selectors have to figure out. I always felt Imrul was our 2nd best option after Tamim because of his temperament. We need a steady player for number 3. At one stage Rakibul Hassan was one of our best top order batsmen. Then started his slump. Maybe we can work on his skills and put him back to the side. (Remember Rakib was one of the star players of the Under 19 team Shakib was in. He has the potential and ability, but low on confidence). Rakib is also a fantastic fielder. Number 4 is not that much of a problem, because we dont need to bring a player from out. It can be Mushfiq, Nasir or Mahmudullah. We just have to figure it out.

Regarding bowling. I still find the idea of playing 3 seamers useless. We have to focus on our strengths.SLA is our strength so i find it sad we decided to leave out quality bowlers like Sunny's and Enamul who can keep any team in the world quiet. Its not unsexy to play with 3 left arm spinners. If they can keep the batsmen quiet and pick up wickets why are we playing dimwits like Shafiul and Shahadat.
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Old March 22, 2012, 10:18 PM
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first of all no 2 and no 3 are the two positions that are a big question ...

then from 4-7 looks like shakib, nasir and mushfiq are three options. i still have doubt about whether mahmudullah is the 4th option there.

bowling wise abdul razzak did well. so if shakib and razzak plays the two spinners, mash and nazmul two pacers we still have one spot left for a third pacer, third spinner or a additional batsman.

this is how it stands

if we look at the reserves we need to find some variety. some body who is not a left arm spinner. the sunny, shuvo can be backup to razzak but we need somebody with difference.

for no 2-3 jahurul may still not be an unfinished busines. imrul and junaid may still be an option. shariar nafees ... not sure about him. from the new ones anamul can be tested. asif ahmed perhaps still needs some time to be in the mix.

from 4-7 along with shakib nasir and mushfiq we need another one. also we dont know what are the best position for these three. so if we think of somebody at four we can consider bringing back roqibul. but i cant remember him doing anything recently. we may consider jahurul at four also. and there is always ashraful. he will always be there until he is 40. mahmudullah may also play up at 4-5.
we can consider bringing back naeem or kapali at any position from 4-7. shuvagoto did well intially but then he could not progress. he is still an option. for no 7 we can also think of mominul. along with anamul we may consider him for somebody to stay around the team.

if we give mahmudullah or nasir some more overs or if naeem/kapali gets a place in the team and gets some more overs .... we may consider bringing dhiman back at the team and play him at 8. other wise we need to find a spinner or pacer who can actually do some damage with the bat. is Farhad Reza still any good ??? how much progress alauddin babu has made ??? has dollar mahumud matured either his bowling or batting ??? what happenned to nur hossain munna ???

lots of questions and problems there but we are going the right way at least the national teams performance. the domestic system still has not made any progress which is a much bigger concern to me.
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Old March 22, 2012, 10:22 PM
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A logical option for number 4 is Mahmudullah who seems to be wasted at 7.

With Nasir equipped to take on the bowling at 6 and forming a formidable pair with shakib i don't feel we need to move him up the order. I say we give mahmudullah an extended run at 4 to see how it goes.
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Old March 22, 2012, 10:28 PM
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It might be useful to compare this with my Step right up and play the selector thread from the 2011 WC.

Half way, I collated member input and got this.



Do note that Nazmul was not on the radar and SN was. Shubho was also a fan favorite but Riyad got no love. Just a year ago.
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Old March 22, 2012, 10:36 PM
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I really believe we can go on to become among the top 6 teams within 2 years if we just fix these 3 positions. 1. Reliable opening partner for Tamim, ideally would focus on building innings while Tamim plays aggressively. 2. Solid No.3 who can consolidate upon fall of early wicket as well as come in at 100 for 1 and attacks the bowling. 3. Good fast bowler who is also death over specialist. We have all other bases pretty much covered with Tamim, Mushy, Shakib, Riyad, Nasir, Mash, Razzak and Nazmul. Only need to fill these 3 spots.
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Old March 22, 2012, 11:24 PM
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Ok this is what I said before the match started that is not to promote Nasir up the order as he is not experienced yet.. he doesn't have all the shots to face world class bowlers yet..building an innings is a tough job rather Shak/Mushy/Riyad should take the responsibility.. But people just wanted to see Nasir batting at #4..

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Ok my logic for not bringing Nasir at 4 is just because he is still not experienced enough to face all sort of tough bowlers as we've seen yesterday.. You need a confident batsman at #4 whereas our baby boy is still learning.. let him come at #5 or even at #6 that is after Shakib taking the pressure off the team by facing the tough bowlers and taking us to a reasonable or a winning position.. Nasir was lucky yesterday in few occassions against Malinga.. he was not comfortable.. that's just inexperience and he will learn for sure... So I don't want him to bat at such imp position right now because if in some matches he can't survive people will ask for his head .. and also we need someone with his his temperament at the lower middle order to stabilize innings after we lose Tamim, Shak and Mushy..
For me the ideal team would be:

1.Tamim
2. Kayes (he has wayyy better technique than Nazim)
3.Anamul/Mominul
4.Riyad (ideally Shak should come at this position.. oh well)
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
8. Mash
9. Razzak / Sunny
10. Nazmul
11. Rubel
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Old March 22, 2012, 11:28 PM
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nasir is not a no.3 or 4, He is a finisher his ideal position is 6 or 7
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Old March 22, 2012, 11:38 PM
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Forget about 3-4. I'm more worried about the chokers at 8 and 9. Razzak does NOT belong at 8/9. He should the last one to put on the pads! IDK why they haven't changed that yet. After Mash it should be Nazmul/Shafiul (who ever is playing), followed by Sunny/Rubel, (Shahadat is gone), Razzak at 11, if possible don't even let him in. Just retire hurt him.
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Old March 22, 2012, 11:41 PM
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3rd pacer isn't a problem...when rubel comes back he'll get that position..but number 2 and 3 is a real worry
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Old March 23, 2012, 12:57 AM
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My only problem with Kayes is that He increases pressure on Tamim. To me Tamim is the 2nd most valuable wicket after Shakib. So Tamim should not have to take more risks to get the run rate going.

The is the profile for an Opener that we need for Tamim:
-Solid Technique (pts 10)
-Ability to play pace comfortably (pts 10)
-Ability to play attacking strokes through or over the infield (pts 10)
-Ability to rotate the strike (pts 10)
-Good positive attitude and mentally tough (pts 10)

Kayes: he is okay in terms of technique, he is comfortable against pace and can play attacking strokes but I do have doubts over his ability to rotate strike and positive attitude. He seems a little too depended on Tamim to take on the bowling which is detrimental to Tamim.
Total Score= 8+8+7+5+5 = 33/50
Verdict: If he can rotate the strike better and be a bit more positive with his game Kayes can be a good option.


Nazimuddin: he has the strokes and attitude but fails miserably due to lack of technique. He got an extended run now and we can all agree at least for now, he is not an option.
Total Score: 4+7+8+5+7=31/50

Verdict: Poor Technique is hampering the other abilities. Needs time to sort it out.

Nafees: Same case as Nazimuddin. Most of his high scores involve getting dropped or surviving LBWs or wafting outside off but not getting caught behind.
Score: 6+5+7+7+8= 33/50
Verdict: looks a bit too uncomfortable against pace.

Jahrirul Islam: How about him? He has a solid technique and definitely a powerful striker. He also seems more comfortable against pace than spin. Should we give him a go?
Score: 8+8+8+8+7= 39/50
Verdict: worth a try

Junaid: Similar to Jahirul but his main problem is he doesn't stay at the crease long enough.
Score: 7+8+8+6+6= 35/50
Verdict: can be tried but he needs to show intent to play longer innings
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Old March 23, 2012, 01:10 AM
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ha! johrul to bpl e opening ei khelse! it seems he seems himself as an opener as well..

did any of you know that if you make a list of ashraful's biggest innings and then compare them to the position he played in, you'll see that most of his big scores came when he was played at no. 3? and the innings' were well paced as well... not just go in there and hitting everything he can, but actually taking singles and having a strike rate of 60 or something.. I think Ashraful is meant for that number 3 spot.. do that and problem fixed.. and anyway ashraful has started playing so responsibly from late, he has definitely finally starting to become the rock that he was meant to be.
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Old March 23, 2012, 01:39 AM
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BD should find out the weak links at the moment in the team, and find pair/backup of those links and let them play A team as well as national team. There is no alternative other than bringing backups in and stick with them enough time and let them become ready for international level.

Tamim's partner : 1st choice Kayes, 2nd Junaid ( each others backup ).

Nazim does not belong to international level, forget abot test or anything, its clear like daylight. BD needs to stick with Kayes/Junaid for Tamim partner, Nafees is not answer either.

One down : 1st choice Jaharul, 2nd Anamul/Mominul. ( Let Anamul/Mominul grow up here, if they do good then they can move up to Tamim partner )

Pace bowler : 1st choice Mash/Nazmul, 2nd Rubel/Shafiul, Abul, Babu needs to be groomed and given chance when any of those four missing/backup.

BD needs to stick to such group/backup plan for enough time in international games, otherwise weak links will continue to pull us back while we should be moving forward.
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Old March 23, 2012, 02:18 AM
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Nazim looked clueless in today's runchase. Looking back at things, Junaid and Imrul plays the opening role better than everone who has been tried.

This is just thinking out of the box, if ASH must comeback they should start to groom him for the opening slot and nothing else!
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Old March 23, 2012, 02:37 AM
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Razzak jody ektu batting shikhto eto din e eto kichu hoytoh nah he really needs to learn how to Bat for all this time he stil plays lofted drives which any average cricket can play
but well played BD
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1. Who is the best partner for Tamim
Imrul
2. Who should we try at number 3
No matter who we play, they will fail. So, Mahmudullah can play here hehe
3. Should Nasir bat at 4 or at 6?
Shakib at 4. Nasir should bat at 5. Mushfiq at 6
4. Who will be our third pacer
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Default Bangladesh Squad – The Future & Present – Top 11

National Team:

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Jahurul Islam
3) Junaid Siddique
4) Nasir Hossain
5) Shakib Al Hasan
6) Mahmudullah Riad
7) Mushfiqur Rahim (Cap)
8) Farhad Reza
9) Mashrafe Bin Mortaza
10) Abdur Razzak
11) Rubel Hossain

Bangladesh A Team:

1) Imrul Kayes
2) Anamul Haque
3) Shariar Nafees (Cap)
4) Mominul Haque
5) Shamsur Rahman
6) Sabbir Rahman
7) Mithun Ali
8) Shafiul Islam
9) Arafat Sunny
10) Abul Hasan
11) Enamul Haqur Jr

any comments on the squad please?
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Old March 23, 2012, 05:31 AM
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Here are my answers:
1. let's try Jahurul at 2
2. Nasir should definitely bat at 6 for the moment. he has great potential. his skills suit the finisher's role the best. also, he is too inexperienced at the moment to play at 4, especially with falling wickets of 2 & 3. He is still a boy and the team should not overburden him right now. After he gets a bit more experience, we can rethink about his position because he also has great temperament and positive attitude to play at 4.
3. Who should we try at number 3
not sure.... this is a tough spot. the best batsman should play at no 3. our best batsman is shakib. but, he is more of a no. 4/5 player. that means, we are still waiting for our best batsman! who can we develop? mahmudullah? mushy? or, groom someone new? <- this is our biggest weakness.....
4. rubel/shafiul
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Old March 23, 2012, 05:49 AM
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although these are our major problems, we also have a few minor problems that need to be sorted out soon:

5. Tamim Iqbal - that guy is one of the classiest batsmen in the world at the moment, who can hit Gul, one of the best fast bowlers in the world, for 4s all over the field at will!!! how could a batsman of his caliber not make a century in any of the 4 matches? it's because of his attitude. he thinks that his job is to only contribute 1/11th portion in a match and is happy to get 50s. his arrogant celebration after reaching 50 says it all - that his goal was to prove the "harami" mustafa kamal wrong, and not necessarily think about the win for his team! in stark contrast, shakib never thinks that his job is done after he contributes 1/11th (e.g. after he has bowled 10 overs only or after he does well with the bat only). He keeps going with all his abilities until the team wins the match or the opponent beats him. He didn't even celetrate his 50 yesterday because to him, his job was to win the match for his team, not just illustrate his personal batting abilities. tamim has to realize that in our bd team, we have just a handful of matchwinners (4-5 in shakib, himself, mash, mushy). Thus, he must take 1/4 or 1/5 of the responsibilities (and not be satisfied with 1/11th). He certainly has the abilities. but, it's the attitude that he has to change. Every time he goes out to the field, he has to keep the goal of making at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the total runs on the board (since he doesn't bowl like shakib). that will earn him centuries.

5. mushy. i am impressed with him as the captain, but an disappointed with him as the batsman... he needs to sort out the problems he is currently having and perform consistently.

Once we groom Nasir, he will also turn into a matchwinner.
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Old March 23, 2012, 05:51 AM
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My ODI Team:

1) Tamim Iqbal
2) Imrul Kayes
3) Anamul Hoque/ Jahurul Islam
4) Nasir Hossain
5) Shakib Al Hasan
6) Mahmudullah Riad
7) Mushfiqur Rahim
9) Mashrafe Bin Mortaza
8) Farhad Reza/ Shafiul Islam
10) Abdur Razzak/ Elias Sunny
11) Rubel Hossain/ Nazmul Hossain
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Old March 23, 2012, 05:58 AM
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anamul as tamim's partner, maybe give jahurul another series at #3.....long term it's asif, mominul or possibly even shuvagata. 3rd pacer goes to rubel, well he has to get one of the slots, mash gets one as well and at this stage nazmul should be the 3rd pacer otherwise give al-amin a try....and nasir should be at 6 for now i think. also possibly elias sunny in for razzak.

btw give nasir more bowling time!
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Old March 23, 2012, 06:10 AM
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btw when it comes to batting talent i think these are our guys to focus on:

- anamul (been a top prospect for years and still doing well, currently in the squad, keeping is a bonus)
- asif (real top #3 prospect and that's a spot we have always struggled to fill)
- mominul (#3/#4 prospect, compact technique, performs on big occassions)
- shuvagata (has the talent, can dictate the play when in form)
- naeem (a good allround prospect but also a solid batting prospect, he has patience, he has big shots, just has to work on how he plays in different situations)
- sabbir (been a talent since he was young and not just for batting, has some big shots even against quality opposition)
- jahurul (reasonable technique, quite powerful, needs some mental drive and focus but a good prospect)
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Old March 23, 2012, 06:23 AM
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I would love to see the below line up used as the team for the next ODI game Bangladesh play whenever that is.

1. Tamim Iqbal (automatic choice)
2. Anamul Haque (Imrul Kayes is the best/ most successful partner for Tamim but I like the left/right hand opening, shame Nazimuddin wasn't up to the task.)
3. Mahmudullah Riyad (this is his best position as his no finisher. Yesterday rather than keeping more of the strike he was giving it more to Mashrafe & Razzak and rather then that one 4 he didn't score any other boundary)
4. Mushfiqur Rahim (automatic choice, this is his best position for the time until Nasir is ready for no.4)
5. Shakib Al Hasan (automatic choice)
6. Nasir Hossain (automatic choice)
7. Mominul Haque (man this guy can strike the ball. After watching the BPL game where Barisal were chasing against Khulna. This guy could have been more useful then Riyad yesterday.)
8. Mashrafe Mortaza (automatic choice)
9. Abdur Razzak (His in form and no way can you drop him whether you like it or not)
10. Nazmul Hossain (automatic choice)
11. Rubel Hossain (automatic choice. Man he was missed badly yesterday)
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My team would be

1. Tamim
2. Imrul / Jahirul
3. Riyad/ Anamul
4. Shakib
5. Mushy
6. Nasir
7. Mominul
8. Mashrafe
9. Razzaq / Arafat Sunny
10. Nazmul
11. Rubel / Abul
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Old March 23, 2012, 06:49 AM
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Best performer bat at 3 (Look at other teams). For T20 we should choose players from BPL pool.
For T20 WC , my team :
Tamim
Amanul
Shakib
Nasir
Mushfique
Mahmudullah
Mashrafee
Ziaur /Shabbir
Eliyas
Razzak
Rubel
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