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Old March 31, 2012, 03:15 PM
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Default Progressive Muslims Launch Gay-Friendly, Women-Led Mosques In Attempt To Reform American Islam

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1368460.html

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They're taking bold steps, reinterpreting Islamic norms and re-examining taboos. While far from accepted by mainstream clerics, these worshippers feel that the future of the religion lies not solely with tradition but with them. Women are leading congregations in prayer, gay imams are performing Islamic marriages, and men and women are praying side by side.
Reform within any ideology over time is inevitable. It is time for Islam.

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Old March 31, 2012, 03:56 PM
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Very good news Electriquiem bhai! My full support for this kinds of mosques, movements! We are all God's (Allah) creation/children, we all belong together when it comes to worshiping and everyone is equal in His (Allah's) eyes, it is us humans who bring this sense of fear, seperations, hatred and our own power control agenda. I am so pleased to hear this news, I would join efforts, institutions like this with a blink of an eye.

Concepts and like these kinds of open arm efforts, reforms to include everyone of the Creator's creations would only make Al-Islam a more loving, caring and less hateful segragationist practice than many of the evangelical right-wing hateful Christian/Protestant/Baptist(Southern Baptist) operations in this country! Big Thumbs up for this specific Islamic group/mosque!
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Old March 31, 2012, 04:08 PM
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Pretty neat, I wonder what the reactions would be from the various conservative and liberal Muslims.
I've also heard of Gay Imams/Gay Muslims who are devout, they just stay abstinent, just in case if anyone was curious.
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Old March 31, 2012, 04:36 PM
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I'm fully against this, it is a fabrication of the quran allah has sent.

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Old March 31, 2012, 05:10 PM
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Haire ajkalkar Muslims. Aro koto kisu korbe. Koidin pore shunbo ora new ekta muslim religion create korse.

Ekhon to men and women ek sathe namaz portese, tao shob dheke. Koidin pore dekha jabe men in underwear and women in bikini praying together in mosques. Ei dinta ar beshi dhure nai mone hoiteche. So called American Muslims!!

Manush je kotota selfish hote pare etai arekta example.
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Old March 31, 2012, 05:18 PM
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I am totally against it. Islam does not need any reform or evolution.

Allah has perfected the religion during the lifetime of Prophet. Thus there is no addition and deletion or even modification to it.

These are just complete Bidah.
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Old March 31, 2012, 05:42 PM
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Why try to perfect something when it already has been perfected by Allah??

Our prophet clearly said that the religion has been perfected. Nothing will be added or deleted..Innovation is a sin and I believe what my prophet preached..His words are sufficient for me..So I am rejecting this idea.

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Haire ajkalkar Muslims. Aro koto kisu korbe. Koidin pore shunbo ora new ekta muslim religion create korse.

".................."!

Manush je kotota selfish hote pare etai arekta example.
Bhalo e bolechen... tobe eita notun Islam mone hoyna? Nengti pore namaz pora porjonto opekkha korte hobe keno?
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Ignorance IS bliss. Hmmph.
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Old March 31, 2012, 06:24 PM
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On topic excellent initiative; it's about time the religion got a makeover from blind followers who would harp on imam's bokttobbya and parrot it back instead of taking the time and effort to interpret Quran from their own. OOhh oooh so and so Imam with phd said it then it must be the RIGHT way. That's argument from authority for you.

How many in this forum have actually bothered to learn the language and read Quran for themselves? NONE. Anyone fluent in Arabic? Thought so.

I will give an example. When you read an English translation, it has a very condescending tone with plethora of exclamation marks and sayings like O this and O that! But unless one reads the Quran in Arabic cultural background's context one fails to realize why is that so. In Arabic, THERE IS NO EXCLAMATION MARK.

It's very easy to parrot back other's ideas. Try to read on your own and keep the wisdom to yourself. Better for all of us.
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Old March 31, 2012, 06:42 PM
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On topic excellent initiative; it's about time the religion got a makeover from blind followers who would harp on imam's bokttobbya and parrot it back instead of taking the time and effort to interpret Quran from their own. OOhh oooh so and so Imam with phd said it then it must be the RIGHT way. That's argument from authority for you.

How many in this forum have actually bothered to learn the language and read Quran for themselves? NONE. Anyone fluent in Arabic? Thought so.

I will give an example. When you read an English translation, it has a very condescending tone with plethora of exclamation marks and sayings like O this and O that! But unless one reads the Quran in Arabic cultural background's context one fails to realize why is that so. In Arabic, THERE IS NO EXCLAMATION MARK.

It's very easy to parrot back other's ideas. Try to read on your own and keep the wisdom to yourself. Better for all of us.


Rather than jumping onto sudden conclusions, we all need to research and research more. Learning is an ever-lasting and never-ending process. Islam is not like a box that only people entering it will be beautified by it, rather it's a ray of light that, unless we put our own obstacles in the middle, will continue to grace through everything around it.

Women leading prayers? Let's check out what the Qur'an and the Hadiths say.

Gay men leading prayers? Let's see if Qur'an and Hadiths have any prohibition on gay men leading prayers.

What we find may just surprise us.
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Old March 31, 2012, 06:48 PM
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Although after reading the article, it seems to me that rather than just removing the radicalising aspects of Islam (which aren't 'Islamic' at all), the movement is trying to create a modified version of Islam... now that's something I'm totally against of.

But hey, one news article may not do justice to the efforts...so I'll look forward to more info.
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On topic excellent initiative; it's about time the religion got a makeover from blind followers who would harp on imam's bokttobbya and parrot it back instead of taking the time and effort to interpret Quran from their own. OOhh oooh so and so Imam with phd said it then it must be the RIGHT way. That's argument from authority for you.

How many in this forum have actually bothered to learn the language and read Quran for themselves? NONE. Anyone fluent in Arabic? Thought so.

I will give an example. When you read an English translation, it has a very condescending tone with plethora of exclamation marks and sayings like O this and O that! But unless one reads the Quran in Arabic cultural background's context one fails to realize why is that so. In Arabic, THERE IS NO EXCLAMATION MARK.

It's very easy to parrot back other's ideas. Try to read on your own and keep the wisdom to yourself. Better for all of us.
Religion isn't Imam's Boktobbo, it's the BOOK (Quran For Muslims). You can throw away everything that he says and replace with a modern scientific Boktobbo no prob. But when you start making over the BOOK, it's no more that religion, but something else.

Ignorance is truly blissss.....
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Here's an interesting talk on Islamic reforms etc.

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Old March 31, 2012, 07:35 PM
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You can tell a lot about an ideology when "innovation is a sin."

Anyway, to those who are completely rejecting this as Un-Islamic and against the Qur'an: can you point to what exactly in the Qur'an negates this? It's one thing to say something goes against YOUR traditions/version/interpretation of Islam - and something completely else to say someone is WRONG in their interpretation. The Quran has no absolute interpretation. Like any religious book, it is open to picking and choosing (which 1.6 billion Muslims do every day).
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Very good news Electriquiem bhai! My full support for this kinds of mosques, movements! We are all God's (Allah) creation/children, we all belong together when it comes to worshiping and everyone is equal in His (Allah's) eyes, it is us humans who bring this sense of fear, seperations, hatred and our own power control agenda. I am so pleased to hear this news, I would join efforts, institutions like this with a blink of an eye.

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I am totally against it. i think we should least bother at this. they are no muslims in any way. they are mentally sick. frustrated and losers. its better to ignore them. those who joined them or are supporting then were never a true muslim. only to get highlight they are performing such nonsense

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I am totally against it. i think we should least bother at this. they are no muslims in any way. they are mentally sick. frustrated and losers. its better to ignore them. those who joined them or are supporting then were never a true muslim. only to get highlight they are performing such nonsense

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"Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.''

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Old March 31, 2012, 08:06 PM
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Side-note: I once asked a big Islamic scholar why many Muslims perceive Islam to be so rigid and unflexible. His reply: "It's because people's faiths are weak." Food for thought.
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The Quran is a personal recitation. If you need to debate it, then it is useless.
Might as well go home - debate is for the mind.
Quran is for the heart. Period. Full Stop.

I think it is time for me to go back into my shell.
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Old March 31, 2012, 08:26 PM
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The Quran is a personal recitation. If you need to debate it, then it is useless.
Might as well go home - debate is for the mind.
Quran is for the heart. Period. Full Stop.

I think it is time for me to go back into my shell.
The heart ONLY pumps blood, last time I checked.
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The heart ONLY pumps blood, last time I checked.
Then you are really blind.
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Old March 31, 2012, 08:32 PM
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Then you are really blind.
My eyes work perfectly fine, though. Unless one can also see through one's liver or something.
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In all seriousness, could you please explain what you meant by "The Quran is for the Heart?"
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But my question is why is ELECTREQUIEM so happy about gay-friendly muslims..... Elec? Any congratulatory thread in order?
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