4 vs 5 - Bowlers

**Mahmood** · #1 July 10, 2002, 10:13 AM

Bd always seem very confused on wheather to field a 4 bowler team or 5 bowler team. Does it really matter for BD? Wheather we put a 4 bowler team or 5, we wont get SL all out anyways. We will simply have to wait on them to declare and try our best to bat it out.

At our current cricket level, we should follow this strategy...

1. For Test, have 4 main bowlers. occational bolwers can chip in as needed. Try having 7 batsmen.

2. For ODI, have 5 main bowlers and 6 batsmen team.

I do hope, Pilot continues his captains knock batting fever that he showed last serise.

fwullah · #2 July 10, 2002, 10:56 AM

You are forgetting something.

There is the factor of all rounders.

As there is no proper standard as to whom we will call allrounders among all of them, the whole discussion of taking 4 or 5 bowlers becomes irrelevent. Because, the selectors / team management can take always the excuse of taking an allrounder in the side - who is not an all rounder at all - at least, not at this level.

**Mahmood** · #3 July 10, 2002, 02:27 PM

We simply dont have any all rounder yet. Sujon, mushfiq, durjoy none are all rounders.

Being able to bowl is not good enough. Right now, any BD player has to come to the team either as a batsman or bowler. Some of out batsmen can bowl. bulbul, Opee, Akram, Sumon and so on. But none of them is all rounders either.

The only player BD team has close to all rounder is Moni. He comes in the team as a vital blowler.

Fazal · #4 September 5, 2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahmood
We simply dont have any all rounder yet. Sujon, mushfiq, durjoy none are all rounders.

but now that it looks like we have some muti-talented players in the team to talk about, its time to revisit the allrounder issue again:

These are all potential allrounders/muti-talented players in the team:

1. Sakib (Too early to predict anything.)
2. Farhad (Bowling need to be improved)
3. Mehrab Jr. (too early to predict anything)
4. Aftab (What happened to his bowling?)
5. Razzak (Can he continue his decent batting)
6. Mashrafee ( Has potential as ODI allrounder. Was it a fluke or his batting is comming up again?)
7. Rahim ( Future batsman wicket-keeper?)

al Furqaan · #5 September 5, 2006, 06:37 PM

sakib tops the list...i think he will be a genuine all rounder

SMHasan · #6 September 5, 2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by al Furqaan
sakib tops the list...i think he will be a genuine all rounder

Same here.

rudro · #7 September 5, 2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
but now that it looks like we have some muti-talented players in the team to talk about, its time to revisit the allrounder issue again:

These are all potential allrounders/muti-talented players in the team:

1. Sakib (Too early to predict anything.)
2. Farhad (Bowling need to be improved)
3. Mehrab Jr. (too early to predict anything)
4. Aftab (What happened to his bowling?)
5. Razzak (Can he continue his decent batting)
6. Mashrafee ( Has potential as ODI allrounder. Was it a fluke or his batting is comming up again?)
7. Rahim ( Future batsman wicket-keeper?)

Just so that we are on the same page, what definition of 'potential allrounder' are we using here?

kalpurush · #8 September 5, 2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahmood
Bd always seem very confused on wheather to field a 4 bowler team or 5 bowler team. Does it really matter for BD? Wheather we put a 4 bowler team or 5, we wont get SL all out anyways. We will simply have to wait on them to declare and try our best to bat it out.

At our current cricket level, we should follow this strategy...

1. For Test, have 4 main bowlers. occational bolwers can chip in as needed. Try having 7 batsmen.

2. For ODI, have 5 main bowlers and 6 batsmen team.

I do hope, Pilot continues his captains knock batting fever that he showed last serise.

For ODI, do we really need 5 main bowler? I think 4 is good enough + occational bowlers to chip in. 7 batsmen would be a better option as our top order has a tendency to go back and relax in the AC dressing room!

Sovik · #9 September 6, 2006, 06:49 AM

we should play 5 bowlers. don't need an extra batsman as rafiq, mash, razzak can score some runs. and we should play sakib and reza as batsmen. reza will hardly get any wickets with his gentle pace in sub continents.

Tigers_eye · #10 September 6, 2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kalpurush
For ODI, do we really need 5 main bowler? I think 4 is good enough + occational bowlers to chip in. 7 batsmen would be a better option as our top order has a tendency to go back and relax in the AC dressing room!

You are quoting a 4+ year old statement. Things were different then. The ODI has changed nowadays. Stupid rules like restricted overs are giving unfair advantage to the better teams. I say we don't need 4 bowlers even. With the semi-alrounders coming up we can have 3 players who think they can bowl a bit.

MarufH · #11 September 6, 2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
but now that it looks like we have some muti-talented players in the team to talk about, its time to revisit the allrounder issue again:

These are all potential allrounders/muti-talented players in the team:

1. Sakib (Too early to predict anything.)
2. Farhad (Bowling need to be improved)
3. Mehrab Jr. (too early to predict anything)
4. Aftab (What happened to his bowling?)
5. Razzak (Can he continue his decent batting)
6. Mashrafee ( Has potential as ODI allrounder. Was it a fluke or his batting is comming up again?)
7. Rahim ( Future batsman wicket-keeper?)

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

Miraz · #12 September 6, 2006, 10:33 AM

For ODI we need three frontline bowlers and two allrounders with another two occasional bowlers.

If we look at current Pakistan ODI team

Shoaib, Asif, Rana Naved - Frontline bowler
Malik, Afridi, Razzak - All rounder
Hafeez - Occasional bowler

The sceanario is almost same with other ODI outfits.

Fazal · #13 September 6, 2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rudro
Just so that we are on the same page, what definition of 'potential allrounder' are we using here?

According to Fazalcyclopedia:

'potential allrounder': Young cricket players who are not proven all-rounder yet. Either they are lacking some experience, have not played enough, or one of their skill-set (batting or bowling) is still not up to the mark yet. But they are all young, and the potential to overcome their short-comming.

Duck · #14 September 6, 2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
According to Fazalcyclopedia:

'potential allrounder': Young cricket players who are not proven all-rounder yet. Either they are lacking some experience, have not played enough, or one of their skill-set (batting or bowling) is still not up to the mark yet. But they are all young, and the potential to overcome their short-comming.

..........consider the sojourne of Ash in BD team.........from potential-spinner to potential-alrounder to potential-Opener to potential-middle order to potential discard! dhukhojonok.

.........Is he the lone example? dont think so........we really have bunch of craps!

Fazal · #15 September 6, 2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dak_Pion
..........consider the sojourne of Ash in BD team.........from potential-spinner to potential-alrounder to potential-Opener to potential-middle order to potential discard! dhukhojonok.

.........Is he the lone example? dont think so........we really have bunch of craps!

Hai Hai Kiser Vitor Ki.... Panta bathee Ghee ...
Shouldn't it be overdue discard?

Duck · #16 September 6, 2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
Hai Hai Kiser Vitor Ki.... Panta bathee Ghee ...
Shouldn't it be overdue discard?

hahaha.......Fazal vai, as the die-hard fan of BD cricket, we are eating nothing but the Panta vat.....although as you told....mixed with ghee sometimes........not bad at all.

I was actually pointing at the definition of "potential" ....ektu beshi baka hoia onno dikey gesey arki. ....

4 or 5? why not 11 all rounders? Since we dont have batting or bowling consistency, we can pray that on a given day, atleast one-quarter (25% of 11 = 2.75) of them will click to perform and to win!

kalpurush · #17 September 7, 2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigers_eye
You are quoting a 4+ year old statement. Things were different then. The ODI has changed nowadays. Stupid rules like restricted overs are giving unfair advantage to the better teams. I say we don't need 4 bowlers even. With the semi-alrounders coming up we can have 3 players who think they can bowl a bit.

Didn't BD played 4 bowlers in the last two away series against Zimbabwe and Kenya?!

Rabz · #18 September 7, 2006, 10:13 AM

Being our batting so fragile, its always a good option for us to hv more batsmen in the team. also with the rising of few of this youngsters allrounder, we MIGHT hv solved that problem to a great extend.

On paper, our team looks really good now.
4 batsmen
3 allrounders
1 wk/bats
3 bowlers

sounds perfect, along with a good mixture of right/left combination. we never had 5 lefty in the team!! this is amazing.

Fazal · #19 September 7, 2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydney

On paper, our team looks really good now.
4 batsmen
3 allrounders
1 wk/bats
3 bowlers

sounds perfect, along with a good mixture of right/left combination. we never had 5 lefty in the team!! this is amazing.

Who is that 1 wk/bat? Pilot? Isnt he now 1wk/bottom of the tail-ender?

Rabz · #20 September 7, 2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
Who is that 1 wk/bat? Pilot? Isnt he now 1wk/bottom of the tail-ender?

well, i know what u mean, but he is still considered as a wk/batsmen, doesnt he?
may be not by us, but by the selectors.
with the recent fresh bloods in the team, i guess he would be "top of the tail" from now on, IF we can prevent the diarohhea from the top order.

rudro · #21 September 7, 2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydney
he would be "top of the tail" from now on, IF we can prevent the diarohhea from the top order.

This looks like hiring an MD and keeping him standby so that in case diarohea breaks out in the family he can take care of it. Two things the family didn't notice until the diarohea really broke out:
1. The MD was occupying the third bedroom of the house and most importantly,
2. The MD forgot what to do to prevent diarohea.

Ahmed_B · #22 September 8, 2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fazal
According to Fazalcyclopedia:

I propose the title 'EnFazilopedia' rather..(Elaboration=Endless Fazlamir Encyclopaedia)

nsd3 · #23 September 8, 2006, 02:21 AM

Mashrafi, Rajib, Rafiq - should have bowling responsibility
Farhad, Saqib, Aftab, Rajin should have 20 overs within them
Bashar, Nafees, Ashraful - should have main batting responsibility
Pilot - has the wicket keeping responsibility
Formula in short - 3 bowlers, 3 batsmen, 4 all rounder, 1 wk. We may see in Modern ODIs one day that 2 wk are being used in order to utilise him as either 4th batsman or even 4th bowler exchanging wk position between them!! It's all about multi tasking in ODIs in present days!!!

Therefore, if the question is 4 vs 5 bowlers - the formula above shows we go for 7 bowlers (if we don't use Ashraful leggie at all).