Shundor Bangla

[Sohel]

Originally Posted by Navo
This thread also ties in with the recent controversy surrounding the injunction against banglish in the media. I suppose most people in this thread are for such a move?

Draconian measures inspired by cultural Salafism are unsustainable. The French Academy has been championing such measures in order to preserve what they refer to as the authenticity of the French language without much success.

Also as a Jeffersonian democrat and a PROUD descendant of Freedom Fighters, meaning those who fought for Bangladesh and not for Pakistan in 1971, I firmly believe in the spirit of the 1972 Constitution to be an expression of the will of our people as determined not by an arbitrary process, but a Constitutional Assembly. According to that Constitution, not talking about the illegal amendments made by the BAKSAL-Zia-Ershad usurpers, any injunction on how Bangladeshis express themselves by an unelected elite or the duly elected representatives of the people is unacceptable. People have the "right" to be "wrong" and democracy is also about "diligently protecting the liberties of the individual against the tyranny of the majority."

However, Bangla Academy and the government must make the wholehearted effort to get educational and media organizations to take PURELY VOLUNTARY measures to preserve the linguistic heritage of Bangla in a serious and sustainable manner as the language goes through natural and dynamic changes the way all languages always have and do, now more than ever in this information age of rapid globalization.

Such measures are of supreme importance because most of the perversion of the language is contrived, not "natural". They come from stark cultural ignorance often propagated by the degradation of traditional Adab-Quaeda in favor of shamelessly flaunting wealth and power, moral relativity and blindness to injustice, and the hallmark self loathing of the Bangali petit bourgeoisie.

EVERY Bangladeshi needs to take the task of maintaining and enhancing the Bangla language upon him/herself in light of our national identity and the supreme sacrifices made throughout our history, especially the events of '52, '69 and '71 which shaped it. Obviously I don't expect the urge from those who believed in Pakistan and after 1971, Bangalistan, or their callous children carrying on the seditious tradition through disinformation, conflation of national and spiritual identity, and sectarian fearmongering under the guise of the same "Islamist" ideology that resulted in genocide, mass rape, mass torture, brigandage and mass exile in GOD's name at the hour of our birth and their defeat.

[ahnaf]

Originally Posted by simon
interesting thread,interesting alochona.

According to me, I kinda like both, I mean I feel that both shuddho oshuddho got a place in our society.
For exmp, there is some sort of beauty in oshuddho bangla like khaisi ,gesi ,korsi specially when you are in family ,with friends having a light/informal convo, mostly dushtomi type, the best way to express is most probably the oshuddho one imo.
Which is why Faruki and his brothers started this type of bangla & honestly speaking most of their natoks(51 borti , 69) are funny type and with a proper bangla it wouldn't sound that funny.
But having said that I don't like the excessive use of bhejal bangla in their natoks trying to sound cool ( I share the same opinion as Mlle Oronnya )

Now the use of shuddho Bangla is acceptable in almost everywhere in our society, but there are places where you don't necessarily need to talk like that, I mean we are not from kolkata , oshuddho bangla is a part of our daily life(I personally find it odd to say kheyechi -korechi with my family & friends )
but there are places (or professions) where shuddho bangla is mandatory, like Antora mentioned about journalists,also about politicians , media persons, cricketers in front of the media should try to speak as shuddho as they can.

Anyway,the most annoying is Banglish.

+1
nijer friend ke jodi na bolte pari "ki re beta? Ki korish ekhane?" tahole hoy?

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[Sohel]

There are other times when we code switch in my family and amongst friends. Generally we don't hesitate switching to hoise-g'ese amongst company already capable of speaking SB well, but we always do that in private within a narrow circle. But it's always hoyechhe-g'iyechhe in front of younger kids we feel have the need to learn. When we're satisfied with their ability, we switch do hoise-g'ese with them also. Now, that's primarily in Dhaka. We always try to speak the regional dialect when visiting family in Noakhali, Chittagong and Dhaka (primarily Munshiganj). Their ability to speak SB doesn't matter to us or matters less than our ability to converse in the dialect(s) for some reason.

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by ahnaf
+1
nijer friend ke jodi na bolte pari "ki re beta? Ki korish ekhane?" tahole hoy?

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+10

shetai... i like to breathe on my own given God's freewill.

Edit: But I do agree with SNR re: Dj-radio-dialect where the language is deliberately perversed matching Bollywood/MTV India and what's even worse, I have some of my own close relatives saying how it makes them "smart".

[zsayeed]

Originally Posted by ahnaf
+1
nijer friend ke jodi na bolte pari "ki re beta? Ki korish ekhane?" tahole hoy?

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uttom kumarkey mone pore gelo je!

[F6_Turbo]

Originally Posted by ahnaf
+1
nijer friend ke jodi na bolte pari "ki re beta? Ki korish ekhane?" tahole hoy?

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But that's not what this is about...

It's about people not knowing how to speak in different social settings. It's about people who think it's ok to use your tea stall/smoking circle bangla while addressing dignitaries for example.

To front the media and say...'ami zimbabwe tour jaitesi' is not a case of freedom of speech or you being 'easy going'...rather a show of your lack of knowledge.

[Zunaid]

Originally Posted by F6_Turbo
But that's not what this is about...

It's about people not knowing how to speak in different social settings. It's about people who think it's ok to use your tea stall/smoking circle bangla while addressing dignitaries for example.

To front the media and say...'ami zimbabwe tour jaitesi' is not a case of freedom of speech or you being 'easy going'...rather a show of your lack of knowledge.

+100

It's all about the context. Context determines whether your usage of the language is acceptable or not (note that I did not use the terms right to wrong).

I will not go yell out 'Hey dude, wassuuuuuuuuuup?' to a colleague at a business meeting but I may do that at the Mall when I see the same colleague (provided he is a friend and we have that kind of a relationship).

[mufi_02]

This article (যাচ্ছেতাই ভাষা বাংলা ব্লগে) discusses this trend of Bangla in the web. This is related to BC as well. This shows how well moderated this forum is comparing to other Bangla blog sites. In BC the standards are very high.

The following is an excerpt from the article

এর পাশাপাশি যে অশ্লীল ও অরুচিকর ভাষার ব্যবহার চলছে, এর নমুনা সংগত কারণেই এ প্রতিবেদনে আনা গেল না। তবে ভাষার বিকৃত ব্যবহারের একটি নমুনা এখানে তুলে ধরা হলো। একটি বাংলা ব্লগে একটি মজার ফটো-ব্লগ পোস্ট দেখে একজন পাঠক মন্তব্যের ঘরে জানতে চাইলেন, 'এসব ফটুক পাইলেন কৈ? জানতে মঞ্চায়!'
পোস্টদাতার উত্তর : খোমাখাতা+গুগলাইয়া� ��
মন্তব্যদাতা : হাহামগে।
পোস্টদাতা : ডিজিএম!
মন্তব্যদাতা : আরো পোস্টান!
পোস্টদাতা : দিমুনে, অহন দৌড়ের উর্প্রে আছি।

যাদের অভিজ্ঞতা নেই, তাদের জন্য কথোপকথনটি 'অনুবাদ' করলে অনেকটা এ রকম দাঁড়ায়-

মন্তব্যদাতা : এসব ছবি কোথায় পেয়েছেন? জানতে মন চায়।
পোস্টদাতা : ফেসবুক ও গুগল সার্চ ইঞ্জিন থেকে।
মন্তব্যদাতা : হাসতে হাসতে মরে গেলাম।
পোস্টদাতা : দূরে গিয়ে মর!
মন্তব্যদাতা : দয়া করে এ রকম আরো পোস্ট দিন।
পোস্টদাতা : পরে দেব, এখন খুব ব্যস্ত আছি।

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[layperson]

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
You're absolutely right about that. My little Hip-Hoppin' nephews and nieces, some of them biracial (African, Irish, Jewish, Latino and Japanese Americans) born and being raised in NYC, Michigan, Illinois and California are incredibly gung-ho about Bangladesh and eager to find their roots here. One of them, a 12YO Californian, visits this site to read some of my posts and corrected me today on a proper pronunciation (ShundAUr versus ShubdOr) before I told him both sound equally good here, just like KOrbar and KAUrbar.

I totally expect the stereotypical "Garmentswalar polapain" sent to English Medium schools and businesses masquerading as schools as part of "jate o't'ha", to behave in certain ways because they haven't seen any better. But when kids from traditionally educated and cultured families start behaving the same way with callous disregard and disrespect for who we are, it makes me profoundly sad.

Luckily these little @$$clowns are a miniscule part of Bangladeshi youth. While most may not be able to speak proper Bangla in public, they know it exists and they try.

Originally Posted by Sohel NR
The "old ways" marked by pride in education-etiquette(Adab)-cultivation of virtue(Akhlaq or Quaeda), rather than flaunting wealth and ignorance in the most vulgar and arrogant ways possible, still thrive in most small towns outside Dhaka and thank GOD for that.

I don't respect robber barons just because they've made a truckload of money with "hard work" . On the other hand, I am deeply humbled by impoverished school teachers everywhere trying to teach people about "Adob-Kaeda" and other responsibilities of being wealthy.

Those two underlined sentences are very condescending and in poor taste. You are generalizing all individuals who have acquired wealth newly as "robbers" which is far from the truth. If the "garmentswala's" were not there bangladesh would not be growing at the rate it is growing now. If they become wealthy due to their trade and send their children off to english medium schools for getting betterment why would you even call that jate otha? kar jate uthte chachche ora ? Its a capitalist world, if you work and manage to earn a lot of money you deserve to spend it any way you can.If one Mr john becomes a millionaire here and starts to send his children off to private school after, you wont see people here saying "john jate uthar chesta kortese". Your statement sounds like you have an agenda against the people who have made their wealth through garments business or who became rich recently. I think that is condescending. Just so you know I come from a family that has been wealthy for three generations, highly educated men and women, I dont see anything wrong in people becoming wealthy and trying to give their children a better life than they had. Also just because there are robbers i dont generalise all businessmen or newly acquired wealthy people as robbers. A few bad apples does not make the entire box of apples bad.

[tonoy]

Originally Posted by Zunaid
+100



I will not go yell out 'Hey dude, wassuuuuuuuuuup?' to a colleague at a business meeting but I may do that at the Mall when I see the same colleague (provided he is a friend and we have that kind of a relationship).

Wassuuuuuuuuuup?? Really?

90s are over bruh...

[Sohel]

^Are they now, Daddy O?