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Old December 3, 2012, 12:33 PM
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I would like to see him replacing Riyad and want Rubel for the bowling.. Riyad is really not ideal for lower order batsman in ODI..
Or Sunny, since WI struggle against spin and we are even opening with spin ...
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Old December 3, 2012, 12:39 PM
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I would like to see him replacing Riyad and want Rubel for the bowling.. Riyad is really not ideal for lower order batsman in ODI..
Zia could have the mindset of a lower order batsman and better than Riyad's but I don't have the confidence in him to deliver the way I do with Riyad even if it's at #7. Once we get a genuine power hitting allrounder, than I'd open to replace Riyad but until then RIyad stays in my book.
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Old December 3, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Or Sunny, since WI struggle against spin and we are even opening with spin ...
No we already have too many spinners. Gazi and Raj's 20 over and then Riyad, Nasir, Naeem can bowl for 10 to 15 overs.. Now you definitely need your best pacers to bowl with the new ball in tandem for few overs. As we know Mirpur pitch never assists the spinner as much as they do for the pacers. That's why we went with 3 pacers in Asia Cup and reaped the benefit somewhat. But as WI plays really well against pace it won't be a good idea to give them too many overs of fast bowling to play. 10 or 15 overs of fast bowling is enough IMO. So we need our 2 best pacers for Mirpur.

Also don't expect them to struggle the same way against the spinners in the next match. They must be practicing hard to deal with spinners. So if we have too many spinners then that might just be too monotonous and they might start to feel comfortable against spin.
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Old December 3, 2012, 01:03 PM
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Zia could have the mindset of a lower order batsman and better than Riyad's but I don't have the confidence in him to deliver the way I do with Riyad even if it's at #7. Once we get a genuine power hitting allrounder, than I'd open to replace Riyad but until then RIyad stays in my book.
In that case Riyad should come up the order like in # 3 or #4 because Riyad is simply not ideal to come in a situation where we are chasing huge total and you need runs at a quicker rate. Just think aboout the Asia Cup final where we lost only by 2 runs and Riyad couldn't even manage to get a boundary for few overs. I don't blame Riyad for that as he is a kind of a batsman who prefers to take the safer approach rather than going after the bowling.

I also think Naeem shouldn't play in ODI and definitely shouldn't come after Anamul as both of them plays slow and has a tendency to leave even the good balls amd gets bogged down.
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Old December 3, 2012, 01:27 PM
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Tora je jai bohis bhai, amar Ziaur Rahman chai.

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Old December 3, 2012, 01:28 PM
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Tora je jai bohis bhai, amar Ziaur Rahman chai.

Shot gulo to shot noi, ekdom Bullet.
Cheleta ta chele noi, ekdom Patha
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Cheleta ta chele noi, ekdom Patha
Yes ... Pakistan and Indian teams have some Pathans, and we need some Pathas.
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Old December 3, 2012, 01:48 PM
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Zia should be selected from first ODI. He deserves it ahead of Abul. At last he is in the squad but not sure he will be picked for 3rd ODI in the XI.
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Old December 3, 2012, 06:51 PM
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His bowling isn't that good, so he would mak the team as a batsman rather than an allrounder.
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Old December 3, 2012, 07:35 PM
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Yes ... Pakistan and Indian teams have some Pathans, and we need some Pathas.
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Old December 3, 2012, 07:39 PM
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Zia might get picked, in his inclusion we might not get benefit from his bowling but his batting is plus. Lets see he will bowl 4 overs max, we have spinners to complete quota.

I wish alauddin babu is selected ahead of him

Most probably rubel or shafiul will get chance before zia
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Old December 3, 2012, 08:32 PM
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I get that Ziaur can slog but really I think we'll find that in time he will get found out and his bowling is basically useless at international level atm, he needs to work hard to improve his game, there is no reason why guys like alauddin or shuvagata or shabbir or Marshall can't play the role that Ziaur does when he's in the XI. Actually a specialist bat could do it since he doesn't bowl.
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Old December 3, 2012, 08:39 PM
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Khaleda Zia said if they win they will make Zia our captain and its her dream.😃
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Old December 3, 2012, 08:54 PM
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I like Zia as a lower order option and he has done well in whatever limited opportunities he got. Having said that i also bilieve WI would prefer 10 overs of medium pace than off spin at this point. So if i was captain i would continue with Naeem and Ryad as the two all rounders.
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Old December 3, 2012, 08:59 PM
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I like Zia as a lower order option and he has done well in whatever limited opportunities he got. Having said that i also bilieve WI would prefer 10 overs of medium pace than off spin at this point. So if i was captain i would continue with Naeem and Ryad as the two all rounders.
Or play shuvagata, Marshall or shabbir, all are more natural boundary hitters than both naeem and riyad and they all bowl some spin to, shuvagata gets a couple of wickets each NCL match and Marshall got some in the warm-up.

Zia is too much of a slogger #7 should have decent batting ability but I just don't see it in zia, mash can play zia's role as lower order bat very well, abul also could do it imo.
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Old December 4, 2012, 02:32 AM
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Well we have only seen him in T-20 where he sort of had to slog. His NCL stats aren't great but we are not really looking for a genuine batsman at that slot but a guy who could come in with five six overs to go in the match and whack 3-4 sixes. In the recent practice game against BD national team he played a good 50+ innings. In the T-20 format he has a 25 average with a strike rate of nearly 150... I think he can really compliment Mashrafi as the second powerhitter lower down the order and could be very useful for that late order hitting that we never seem to succeed in.
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Old December 4, 2012, 03:22 AM
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anyone who has seen zia bat should know that for every 6 he hits he probably misses 3+ balls. hitting 6s is nice an all but he misses many which also could be scored off. he needs to develop his game to a point where he can take advantage of any ball and can knock the ball around. it's criminal to have so many dot balls in the last few overs. against quality bowlers he might get a couple of good shots in but will be taken out unless he improves.

anyone his batting isn't really the issue imo. if you're going to bat at #7 or lower you need to be a strong contributor with the ball. zia's batting would be fine, in actual fact it would be a great bonus if he was a quality bowler adding good value to the bowling unit. but since he rarely bowls and rarely contributes in anyway let alone a significant one with the ball, then his batting becomes the main reason for his selection and i'm sorry but i think if someone is going to be selected as the quicker scorer down the order and he isn't being utilised as a bowler then they need to be a batsman who can play pretty well in lots of different situations rather than just someone who slogs. because basically zia is playing as a specialist batsman and there is no way we can consider him to be specialist batsman quality, he needs to have a good array of shots, be able to take singles as well so that he can be pushed up the order if wanted.

national team positions should be more valuable than that, only players who offer some versatility and quality should gets spots otherwise the selection is being wasted imo. imagine if zia has to come in with 15 overs to go? which could easily happen if he's batting at #7, i'm sure we would be much better off with a specialist batsman or an allrounder with greater capabilities, we'd probably score more runs overall.

if he learns to hit 1s and 2s and not waste so many balls then he could be really good, but he's not there yet.
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Old December 4, 2012, 03:28 AM
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I think we should go with 3 pacers (Mash, Rubel, Zia) and 3 spinners (Razzaq, Gazi, Mullah). What if we bowl 2nd and the dew and the heavy outfield make it difficult for our spinners? Too much spin might just back fire.
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I think we should go with 3 pacers (Mash, Rubel, Zia) and 3 spinners (Razzaq, Gazi, Mullah). What if we bowl 2nd and the dew and the heavy outfield make it difficult for our spinners? Too much spin might just back fire.
then who do you propose we leave out? Naeem? That would weaken the batting.
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Old December 4, 2012, 03:49 AM
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anyone his batting isn't really the issue imo. if you're going to bat at #7 or lower you need to be a strong contributor with the ball. zia's batting would be fine, in actual fact it would be a great bonus if he was a quality bowler adding good value to the bowling unit. but since he rarely bowls and rarely contributes in anyway let alone a significant one with the ball, then his batting becomes the main reason for his selection and i'm sorry but i think if someone is going to be selected as the quicker scorer down the order and he isn't being utilised as a bowler then they need to be a batsman who can play pretty well in lots of different situations rather than just someone who slogs. because basically zia is playing as a specialist batsman and there is no way we can consider him to be specialist batsman quality, he needs to have a good array of shots, be able to take singles as well so that he can be pushed up the order if wanted.
Just because Mushfiq hasn't used Zia doesn't make him a bad bowler! The guy took 144 wkts from 55 FC games at an average of 25 with 5 five wkt hauls. In comparison Mahmudullah averages 33 per wkt on pitches that suit him more than Zia
What i am saying is that until we see him bowl consistently we won't know if he is useful or not. We already have a spin bowling all rounder in Shakib and to an extent Naeem, Nasir so what we are missing is a pace bowling all rounder. Even though Zia will clearly not be the next Kallis... if developed he could do the job Klusner, Darren Sammy, Tom Moody did/does for other teams
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Old December 4, 2012, 03:58 AM
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mushy not bowling him is more of a reason to select a specialist batsman, if zia is bowling a lot of overs then his batting becomes a bonus but where is batting currently is he needs to be considered as a bowling allrounder, he can't be a batting allrounder his batting just isn't up to it. i agree that mushy not bowling him doesn't mean he's a useless bowler although there must be a reason why mushy isn't bowling him and if he was good or better than others then surely he'd be used more. looking at his FC stats says he is decent, looking at his t20 stats says he's not and looking at his list A stats says he's a decent/average bowler.

but where his batting is atm he needs to bat at #8 or lower imo and to be batting that low means you need to be more utilised as a bowler otherwise you're giving up a bowling spot for someone who slogs and doesn't really bowl.
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Well as it stands... his inclusion is unlikely ahead of Rubel so we can have this conversation when he does get picked i guess
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anyone who has seen zia bat should know that for every 6 he hits he probably misses 3+ balls. hitting 6s is nice an all but he misses many ......
I think you are being unfair..... He only played a couple of T 20 matches and that was his debut. And he didn't look that ugly ..... ...we need big hitting at the end...so I won't mind him getting a chance. Even though he may not look as good with his shots, but he is effective.
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Old December 4, 2012, 06:03 AM
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In the warmup match against national team he didn't scored too many 4s and 6s, but still scored 50+ with SR above 100.

So for at least for one game he proved generalized concept wrong .... That " he cannot hit 1s and 2s... After hitting 6, misses three ball ( dot ball)"
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Old December 4, 2012, 10:21 AM
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So Ziaur replacing Abul...Did we see him bowl in recent Intl matches?
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