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Old May 14, 2015, 08:52 AM
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Default Kraig Bratwaithe or Shiv Chanderpaul

One is a right hander and the other is a legendary left hander of unorthodox stance. Both of them play the patience game. One is called a Tiger and the other made over a hundred centuries before making his Test debut.

Their age difference is around 20.

Considerations for this thread was based on the application to the game; numbers were ignored.
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Old May 14, 2015, 08:56 AM
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Tough one. Can I take both?

I'd take Shiv cause he has more patience I think.
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Old May 14, 2015, 08:58 AM
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Tough one. Can I take both?

I'd take Shiv cause he has more patience I think.
And he has the track record; he has played on 58 international grounds, one less than Sachin.
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Old May 14, 2015, 10:47 AM
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Old May 15, 2015, 10:12 AM
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I agree with Tigers_eye. I would love to take both, but finally I would nod in favour of Chanderpaul.

By the way, is Shiv Chanderpaul a little bit out of form now? Tony Cozier seems to think so.
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Old May 15, 2015, 10:16 AM
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Shiv didn't do very well in the last series I don't think (and don't think he scored much in recent domestic matches either), pretty sure he's very close to Lara's test runs record also.

As for the thread question, one is an opener the other bats down the order, unless we're talking ODIs which shiv hasn't played in awhile.

Kraig is the best opener they currently have to offer so he definitely should be in the test XI, shiv's position you could question but they really do t have a lot of young batting talent coming through and if shiv wants to keep going I don't dose why he shouldn't (wonder if they don't like the idea of Lara's record being overtaken....).
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Old May 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
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Shiv was a fabulous opener in ODIs, but unfortunately the WI management didn't sustained him up top. He made his highest odi score up there. Batting with Gayle . Could have been a successful pair Like Hayden and gilly.

I don't think could make it work in the odi arena, mainly because of the advances in the game. He's an accumulator.
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Old May 16, 2015, 03:25 AM
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Shiv is a legend. Brathwaite has a long way to go. I dont know why this is even a question?
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Old May 16, 2015, 03:51 AM
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Shiv is a legend. Brathwaite has a long way to go. I dont know why this is even a question?
That's the purpose ie, to make doubt in one's mind.

Shiv is not only a legend, but his his entire career has been on nix and nurdle all over the perimeter of the inner field and behind square leg.

Perhaps you don't know much about Bratwaithe,. In an Era where west indian batsmen are all about fantastic, out-of-the-ground pyrotechnics, we see an emerging batsman whose technique, resilience, and elegance is from the Era of cricket before balls were white.

I, honestly, am privileged to see a shining star in the west indian setup.

Legends are not made overnight. Shiv is the example.

Kraigg is not a legend....yet??. But he is indeed a Prodigy.
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Old May 16, 2015, 04:13 AM
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I rate Brathwaite as one of the rare talents in Cricket these days. Also I care to spell him correctly. But this doesn't mean he is suddenly comparable to Shiv. Brathwaite has got all the ingredients to get success at Test level but it's a long way for him to reach the level of Shiv. Shiv has shown it. To have it in you is one thing and to convert that into reality years after years is another thing. All these being said, I like Brathwaite.
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Old May 16, 2015, 04:38 AM
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I rate Brathwaite as one of the rare talents in Cricket these days. Also I care to spell him correctly. But this doesn't mean he is suddenly comparable to Shiv. Brathwaite has got all the ingredients to get success at Test level but it's a long way for him to reach the level of Shiv. Shiv has shown it. To have it in you is one thing and to convert that into reality years after years is another thing. All these being said, I like Brathwaite.
Good man, thumbs up.

I wish to let the chips fall where they might. That's why I chose to ignore numbers. I want to dig deeper to see what I may uncover from the simplicity of being a rock.

Ohhh, yes I spelt the boy's name wrong . Thanks for the correction ,, Sir
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What exactly is being asked or discussed here? These two are of no competition to each....one is nearing the end of his career, the other is starting his, they bat different positions as well. Only similarity thus far is they are both accumulators.
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What exactly is being asked or discussed here? These two are of no competition to each....one is nearing the end of his career, the other is starting his, they bat different positions as well. Only similarity thus far is they are both accumulators.
That's the point, thinking and reasoning rather than just choosing.

You are looking for similarities. I am trying to juxtapose them without any stats. It's a higher level of thinking.

I love the game, and I am overwhelmed when cricketers are playing the game as the five day fighters/warriors.

I don't think that this thread would appeal to many.

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That's the point, thinking and reasoning rather than just choosing.

You are looking for similarities. I am trying to juxtapose them without any stats. It's a higher level of thinking.

I love the game, and I am overwhelmed when cricketers are playing the game as the five day fighters/warriors.

I don't think that this thread would appeal to many.

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Yes but you didn't put your question into any context, are we talking about selection? Selection across formats or specific formats? Who is the better person? There needs to be context to the discussion.

I now assume you're talking test cricket as you referenced it slightly in your opening posting and in this recent post "five day fighters".
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And he has the track record; he has played on 58 international grounds, one less than Sachin.
where did you find that information?..interesting..does sachin holds the record for playing on most grounds?
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where did you find that information?..interesting..does sachin holds the record for playing on most grounds?
He's played more than 650 international matches, would give him a pretty good shot of being the record holder.
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^^ yes, I tried to stay on the Test cricket stage, but found myself reminiscing of Chanderpaul as an exciting ODI opening Batsman.

We can make it a general thread, but I'm a Test Cricket guy, mostly concentrating there. Sorry for the murky ness of my theme.
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^^ yes, I tried to stay on the Test cricket stage, but found myself reminiscing of Chanderpaul as an exciting ODI opening Batsman.

We can make it a general thread, but I'm a Test Cricket guy, mostly concentrating there. Sorry for the murky ness of my theme.
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I remember reading this fine piece of writing on Shiv,

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Old May 16, 2015, 08:26 AM
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I remember reading this fine piece of writing on Shiv,

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/782009.html
Great read. He was born from a different county than me. My county have produced kanhai, kallicharan, permaul, bishoo.

I was still a suckling babe when my father took me to go see a match between our counties. They had Chanderpaul, hooper. We had Clayton lambert and the nagamootoo brothers. They walloped us, so my dad says.

I have heard little about kraigg, all the hype was on Adrian barath. He withered away while kraigg kept on racking up hundreds after hundreds.

I am trying to find a connection. Between the two. Maybe I'm approaching this in a vague manner.
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Great read. He was born from a different county than me. My county have produced kanhai, kallicharan, permaul, bishoo.

I was still a suckling babe when my father took me to go see a match between our counties. They had Chanderpaul, hooper. We had Clayton lambert and the nagamootoo brothers. They walloped us, so my dad says.

I have heard little about kraigg, all the hype was on Adrian barath. He withered away while kraigg kept on racking up hundreds after hundreds.

I am trying to find a connection. Between the two. Maybe I'm approaching this in a vague manner.
So you are a Guyanese. What's your connection to Bangladesh if you don't mind
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So you are a Guyanese. What's your connection to Bangladesh if you don't mind
Read the OP of the thread titled "Bangladesh Cricket from a Non-Bangladedhi's POV"
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Time to bring in the numbers,: Strike rates
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Chanderpaul or Brathwaite hardly cares about strike rates
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Chanderpaul or Brathwaite hardly cares about strike rates
It's about occupying the crease over long periods of time.

Takes a lot of patience and perservance
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