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Old December 2, 2012, 04:46 AM
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^^ T20 WC finished on first week of October.
WI series started on 13th Nov.

So he got barely a month may be ?
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Old December 2, 2012, 04:55 AM
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its not only the mentor what is important, the student must be good enough to learn too. looks like we now have good enough students too.
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Old December 2, 2012, 04:56 AM
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^^ T20 WC finished on first week of October.
WI series started on 13th Nov.

So he got barely a month may be ?
I read somewhere he worked with him before the T20 WC for few weeks.
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Old December 2, 2012, 09:28 AM
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Saqlain is so involved with the whole team! He is here for working with the spinners. We see the result of his presence.

I also saw him instructing the batsmen how to play against some certain bowlers from outside the field during live matches a few times. I recon this may be the major reason for Narine's failure against our batters so far.

He has passion and is always a hard working character. Make him the HEAD COACH.
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Old December 2, 2012, 09:36 AM
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Yep I said the same thing before. Make him the head coach. But knowing our BCB they might even refuse to extend his current contract let alone think about handing him the head coach position. He unlike other certain Pakistani players rarely speaks or beats his own drum. Was a huge fan of him during his playing days and believe he was a better spinner than Muralist with his suspect action.

Gazi has himself said how Saqlain has helped him and here's something I bet a lot of guys don't know, I was listening to commentary during a Bangladesh game in the Athar/Bulbul era and Salauddin was bowling and the commies mentioned how Salaudidin said he talked about offspin with Saqlain and saqqi took some time off from his practice and helped Salauddin with his bowling. Guys it was back in those days where we were still an associate team and were lucky to play in the Asia cup. If a player of Saqlain calibre could take time off his own practice to help an associate team bowler it certainly speaks a lot about the mans personality

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Old December 2, 2012, 09:56 AM
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Yup, that's one Pakistani I wouldn't mind as a head coach.
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:04 AM
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He has no Magic wand to produce a spinner from no where in 6 months... Shohag was doing well in domestic even before Saqlayen met him. He has definitely started learning from the coach, but I'm sure he isn't yet a Warne/Murali, but he has the potential, if Saqlayen helps he surely can.

So, Lets not go overboard in praising Saqlayen yet....lets see how crafty the spinners get under him and you only get to know a spinner's skills in non-turning tracks...outside Bangladesh...and better teams. BD pitches anyway favor's spinners and WI isn't that good handling spinners.... So lets have some patience...
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:12 AM
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Our spinners still have a lot to learn. I hope that BCB keeps Saqlain for a long time. His presence is being felt.
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:22 AM
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i wish he stays for long and find out the old shakib as bowler.
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabz
^^ T20 WC finished on first week of October.
WI series started on 13th Nov.

So he got barely a month may be ?
only a month, I see.
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He has no Magic wand to produce a spinner from no where in 6 months... Shohag was doing well in domestic even before Saqlayen met him. He has definitely started learning from the coach, but I'm sure he isn't yet a Warne/Murali, but he has the potential, if Saqlayen helps he surely can.

So, Lets not go overboard in praising Saqlayen yet....lets see how crafty the spinners get under him and you only get to know a spinner's skills in non-turning tracks...outside Bangladesh...and better teams. BD pitches anyway favor's spinners and WI isn't that good handling spinners.... So lets have some patience...
Ya I think we r giving him too much credit.
Shohag was already doing well, he is a gifted talent.
Saqlain does deserve some credit, but we shouldn't go overboard.
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:28 AM
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I hope he stays longer and look into other promising spinners like Saqlain Sajib , Arafat Sunny as well. These two spinners were very impressive in BPL .
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:31 AM
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only a month, I see.


Ya I think we r giving him too much credit.
Shohag was already doing well, he is a gifted talent.
Saqlain does deserve some credit, but we shouldn't go overboard.
Ofcourse Sohag was doing well but Saqlain has helped him become a better bowler. I m not giving Saqlain all the credit but gazi himself said how Saqlain has been helping him and also helped him turn/spin the ball more. When it comes from the mouth of the player himself then the coach is certainly doing something right
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Old December 2, 2012, 11:40 AM
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It was Saqlain who requested our selectors to include Gazi in test squad. Saqlain knows where the talents are and knows how to get best out of them.. Let's give credits where its due please. I understand that he has no magic wand, the pitch factor. But We simply can't ignore Saqlain's work here.

Making him HC may be little too much but we must, we must keep him for long period of time as a bowling coach..
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Bhai give credit, but I have started seeing Saqlain bondona by our people on CI and PP etc places without giving any credit to the boy himself..... You know...we have lot more to get from him...and you will hardly see any other country giving so much to the coach ..it's always the player. Well when it comes to evaluating the coach...we need to give him credit....I don't want our boy's hard work being hijacked ...every guy works with him won't become Gazi...so the main credit should always go to the player.....primarily it's a result of years of hard work by the boy.
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:02 PM
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It was Saqlain who requested our selectors to include Gazi in test squad. Saqlain knows where the talents are and knows how to get best out of them.. Let's give credits where its due please. I understand that he has no magic wand, the pitch factor. But We simply can't ignore Saqlain's work here.

Making him HC may be little too much but we must, we must keep him for long period of time as a bowling coach..
We need a coach who doesn't mind working in BD and doesn't want vacation every month. He needs to have a good cricketing brain and must enjoy working with young guys. He has to work more and talk less. Need to have proper coaching vision.

Saqlain has all these qualifications. So why not him?

Our bowlers and batsmen both are benefited by his help directly. He has earned the respect of the team already.
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:05 PM
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Bhai give credit, but I have started seeing Saqlain bondona by our people on CI and PP etc places without giving any credit to the boy himself..... You know...we have lot more to get from him...and you will hardly see any other country giving so much to the coach ..it's always the player. Well when it comes to evaluating the coach...we need to give him credit....I don't want our boy's hard work being hijacked ...ever guy works with him won't become Gazi...so the man credit should always go to the player.....primarily it's a result of years of hard work by the boy.
You can only help him who wants to help himself. Gazi wants to help himself. He is a long race horse and I hope he would break many records for BD.

Having said that, this thread is about Saqlain and not Gazi. We are talking about Saqlain's effect on the team. Probably you misunderstood the intention of those posts.
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:14 PM
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Saqlain Mushtaq was my favourite player when I was younger. Although it had more to do with his batting; he scored an innings of 100+ against New Zealand back in 1997. Co-incidentally, that knock was the first 'serious' cricket match I ever watched. And then his bowling started to please me as well.
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Cricket Captain 2002 came out and I was all excited about it then. Saqlain yielded me a lot of wickets and that, too, played a role. Memories!
It feels great to see one of my all-time faves contributing to our team.
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:36 PM
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Looks like English coaches are the way to go!
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:39 PM
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We need a coach who doesn't mind working in BD and doesn't want vacation every month. He needs to have a good cricketing brain and must enjoy working with young guys. He has to work more and talk less. Need to have proper coaching vision.

Saqlain has all these qualifications. So why not him?

Our bowlers and batsmen both are benefited by his help directly. He has earned the respect of the team already.
Saqlain has all the qualifications no doubt but so does Shane Jurgensen. SJ is our current HC. Some of us are totally ignoring his role here. Like Saqlain, he too has been working very hard with the team. It would be really unfair to him if we appoint Saqlain as a head coach. (Now, If we hire a different HC, it would be a different story).
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Old December 2, 2012, 01:00 PM
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Bhai give credit, but I have started seeing Saqlain bondona by our people on CI and PP etc places without giving any credit to the boy himself..... You know...we have lot more to get from him...and you will hardly see any other country giving so much to the coach ..it's always the player. Well when it comes to evaluating the coach...we need to give him credit....I don't want our boy's hard work being hijacked ...every guy works with him won't become Gazi...so the main credit should always go to the player.....primarily it's a result of years of hard work by the boy.
I see your point brother and I agree with you. A teacher is only good as his student. And Gazi seems to be an ideal student.Good chemistry going on between those two I think
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Old December 2, 2012, 01:54 PM
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Saqlain has all the qualifications no doubt but so does Shane Jurgensen. SJ is our current HC. Some of us are totally ignoring his role here. Like Saqlain, he too has been working very hard with the team. It would be really unfair to him if we appoint Saqlain as a head coach. (Now, If we hire a different HC, it would be a different story).
Good point. I must appreciate and accept.
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That's because I don't think Shane has got anything to do with the wins. Harsh but that's the truth. He doesn't work with the spinners, he doesn't teach the batsmen and as far as I can tell he isn't really a great strategist.
Truth?

Well, I use my own eyes!
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I think its a bit too premature to make him head coach after being 5 mins in the job. Afterall, it is a role that requires a LOT of responsbility and top level team management skills and with all due respect, saqi is better off serving us as the specialist spin coach and also work closely with the academy during the off peak. His attention would be otherwise severed. What I'd personally like to see is two specialist fast bowling coach/consultant brought in- 1. Ian Pont who would work with developing pacers within an academy domain who can improve techniques, bowling actions, speeds, accuracy etc. 2. Someone who has been there and done it i.e. Wasim, McGrath, Vaas etc to work directly with the national and perhaps A team pacers to offer insight and advice in how to bowl in certain match situations and when to vary your lengths etc. A bit like what Saqi is doing with the spinners at the moment
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Saqlain as a HC might be a premature call. I say let him do what he does best, that is to be spin specialist. We have a huge pool of spinners and Saqlain can work in the national/academy levels. In the national level, he will polish the spinners and on academy level he will groom them more slowly and nurture the talent. McInnes will oversee batting and other things while Saqlain can work with the spinners.

Saqlain also has tremendous understanding and experience of the game which SJ don't have. I assume he plays a big decision making role in the management. He also has great appreciation of the local players and once tweeted about the massive talent in the academy level.
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Old December 9, 2012, 10:50 AM
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BCB advised Saqlain Mushtaq to go back home after this series.But has chance to return back if his contract extends.Cricketers praised highly of him for technical & mental support.Fielding coach Jason Swift is also set to go back home. http://www.banglanews24.com/detailsn...09091850157079
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