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Old March 21, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Default Can someone compare Elliot's lbw vs. Raina's lbw not out

It looked to me that Raina's out was far more obvious than Elliots (NZ vs WI). Can someone do a side by side analysis.
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Old March 21, 2015, 11:42 AM
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Old March 21, 2015, 11:45 AM
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Look for the columns shown in the hawk eye -
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Pitching outside leg means it is not out. Also, 50% of the ball has to pitch in the line.
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Old March 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
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50% of the Mashrafee's ball did pitch in line. He and Bangladesh were robbed in broad daylight.
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Old March 21, 2015, 12:32 PM
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Lol is this thing for real. Get a life and move on
Yes. It's important to expose George Bush for WMD, so that it is less likely to happen again. Personally, I just want to hear from people who understand the game better than I do.
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Old March 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
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50% of the Mashrafee's ball did pitch in line. He and Bangladesh were robbed in broad daylight.
it has to be MORE than 50% to get an lbw. clearly, umpires decision was correct.

“if at least 50% of the ball lands outside the line of leg stump, then no LBW decision is possible”
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Old March 21, 2015, 12:47 PM
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50% of the Mashrafee's ball did pitch in line. He and Bangladesh were robbed in broad daylight.
It would automatically say it is "in line" in that case. It didn't.
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Old March 21, 2015, 12:54 PM
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it has to be MORE than 50% to get an lbw. clearly, umpires decision was correct.

“if at least 50% of the ball lands outside the line of leg stump, then no LBW decision is possible”
Thanks. That's what I thought. Why was Elliot out?
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Old March 21, 2015, 01:08 PM
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Thanks. That's what I thought. Why was Elliot out?
I haven't seen it. do you have a link ?
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many BD fans are being fooled in broad daylight by their overjealous jingoistic supporters. it's not a nice thing to do to your own countrymen.
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Old March 21, 2015, 01:10 PM
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it has to be MORE than 50% to get an lbw. clearly, umpires decision was correct.

“if at least 50% of the ball lands outside the line of leg stump, then no LBW decision is possible”
Don't agree with Neel often but he's right. Even if 90% of the ball landed inside the line its still a marginal decision because of the uncertainty associated with the technology. Rohit no ball was also a marginal call. Dhawan catch was also not clearly touching the ropes.

Yes in theory 1.5 out of 3 50-50 calla should go our way, but we knew coming in no umpire will give Indian batsmen out unless its obvious because BCCI will end their career then and there ala Steve bucknor.

Just BCB backed BCCI hijacking the ICC once our test status was preserved. Must survive rather than look to score idealistic points.

On top of that we lost by 100+ runs. Now were this game decided by 50 runs or less, yes I'd be pissed that India got all the calls in their favor. We lost, get over it and focus on beating them next time. Someone has to lose.
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Old March 21, 2015, 01:12 PM
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Thanks. That's what I thought. Why was Elliot out?
Because it was on his off stump. And Raina's one is on the leg stump. Pitched outside leg is not out but pitched outside off can be out.
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Old March 21, 2015, 01:13 PM
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Don't agree with Neel often but he's right. Even if 90% of the ball landed inside the line its still a marginal decision because of the uncertainty associated with the technology. Rohit no ball was also a marginal call. Dhawan catch was also not clearly touching the ropes.
That's uncertain for everyone. If the same had happened with Bangladesh, the result would have been the same - not out.
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Old March 21, 2015, 01:23 PM
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Let me paste the law.

a) When using technology to determine where the ball pitched (as per Law 36.1(b)), the third umpire
should refer to the “point” (or centre) of the ball. Therefore if at least 50% of the ball pitches outside
the line of leg stump
, then no LBW dismissal is possible.
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Old March 21, 2015, 01:23 PM
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I just watched the elliot LBW. I am shocked this is even asked on a cricket forum ! if fans do not know difference between off stump and leg stump regarding LBW, they can and will be taken for a ride.


AF, I guess no one remembers the kayes catch not given.

it just didn't happen, no ?

net-net, 1 for BD, 1 for Ind.

the riyad catch was also a tough but correct decision. without convincing evidence that the fielder touched the rope (i.e rope should visibly move on impact) decision will go in fielder's favour.
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Mashrafe's ball would've been a umpire's call anyway if it pitched in a little bit instead and even then it would've been NOT OUT. But the fact is that it was not more than 50%.
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Because it was on his off stump. And Raina's one is on the leg stump. Pitched outside leg is not out but pitched outside off can be out.
Weren't both on the off stamp?
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Mashrafe's ball would've been a umpire's call anyway if it pitched in a little bit instead and even then it would've been NOT OUT. But the fact is that it was not more than 50%.
If it pitched millimeters inside and center of the ball were in line, then it was OUT. Impact was in line and it was hitting the stump clearly. There were no "umpire's call".
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Weren't both on the off stamp?
No, you can read that a stump closer to batsman't leg is the leg stamp.
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If it pitched millimeters inside and center of the ball were in line, then it was OUT. Impact was in line and it was hitting the stump clearly. There were no "umpire's call".
Yes you are right I missed that part. Thank you.

But still I don't think we got 'robbed' off of that decision. It was not out fair and simple.

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Old March 21, 2015, 01:40 PM
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Yes you are right I missed that part. Thank you.

But still I don't think we got 'robbed' off of that decision. It was out fair and simple.
Which one was out? Rohit Sharma's one was definitely out. Raina's one was definitely not out.
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Which one was out? Rohit Sharma's one was definitely out. Raina's one was definitely not out.
Raina's one was not out. I meant to say not out in my post but missed the "not".
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Raina's one was not out. I meant to say not out in my post but missed the "not".
Yeah and I feel for Bangladesh on it. If it were millimeter's in, it were to be given out. I saw cases when stumps are hit by the ball and bails didn't come off. This one was pretty similar to those. "Luck"-wise, almost nothing went in favor of Bangladesh. It could have if Kayes scored a century probably.
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