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Old October 21, 2012, 06:53 AM
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I agree with you. Naeem plays slow not because he just wants to, he doesnt have the capability to push the ball around and rotate the strike. I understand the intention is there to stay longer but just that alone is not enough to play test cricket. He is just fooling us with big scores but we have seen enough of him before to know what he can do. People went gaga over him last time he played some big knocks as well (in bcb cup afair) but he failed miserably In international matches.
How are you sure that, it's not the same with Anamul and Mominul?? Do we have to bring in everyone in national team to see that? And a player evolves with time, so we have seen him enough, phrase isn't at all a strong logic.

Till now according to this NCL performance, I think Shohag Gazi is the most prospective player. He scored runs and have taken wickets...lets see how he fares in the rest of the matches.

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Old October 21, 2012, 07:31 AM
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How are you sure that, it's not the same with Anamul and Mominul?? Do we have to bring in everyone in national team to see that? And a player wolves with time, so we have seen him enough, phrase isn't at all a strong logic.

Till now according to this NCL performance, I think Shohag Gazi is the most prospective player. He scored runs and have taken wickets...lets see how he fares in the rest of the matches.
I am not asking to bring someone else in. lf no one is good out there i would stick to the current lot. I dont think he is good enough to bat at no.4, so I would prefer Mushy at no.4 and none of Ryad and Nasir can be worse than him down the order.
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Old October 21, 2012, 07:37 AM
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I am not asking to bring someone else in. lf no one is good out there i would stick to the current lot. I dont think he is good enough to bat at no.4, so I would prefer Mushy at no.4 and none of Ryad and Nasir can be worse than him down the order.
Not possible for a wk to keep and bat at no 4 in test cricket. He can do it but will fail

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Old October 21, 2012, 07:43 AM
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Wow, didn't see that before.... Rajshahi made a very big tactical error ... Declaring with only about 60 runs lead?? They should have tried to extend it... They underestimated the opponent so much... Now they have to chase a target over 300 in second innings and there is all the possibility that they will have collapses, while they will be playing to save the math from ball one in second innings....over smart decision...

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Old October 21, 2012, 07:46 AM
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I am not asking to bring someone else in. lf no one is good out there i would stick to the current lot. I dont think he is good enough to bat at no.4, so I would prefer Mushy at no.4 and none of Ryad and Nasir can be worse than him down the order.
I understand your personal preference... But Naeem kind of perfectly suitable in the top order of test matches. I don't know, the allegation you are Irving Jim to discard him, can you tell me, if these guys are dramatically better than him in taking singles?? SR really doesn't show the ability of taking singles at will...

I would prefer Naeem over Mushy in No4... I just don't like to see Naeem kind of players coming down the order in any format of the game..
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Not possible for a wk to keep and bat at no 4 in test cricket. He can do it but will fail

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True that. I didnt consider it. We are in trouble then. I dont see anyone certain for no. 2,3 & 4 positions. The ones played in this positions in the last series are not in good form and the ones playing well currently well are new. I am equally concerned about pace bowling positions.
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Old October 21, 2012, 08:06 AM
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I understand your personal preference... But Naeem kind of perfectly suitable in the top order of test matches. I don't know, the allegation you are Irving Jim to discard him, can you tell me, if these guys are dramatically better than him in taking singles?? SR really doesn't show the ability of taking singles at will...

I would prefer Naeem over Mushy in No4... I just don't like to see Naeem kind of players coming down the order in any format of the game..
I understand your personal preference too. But i don't think Naeem is technically good enough to survive in test cricket, specially in the top order. Of course, just my opinion. But i also understand our lack of alternatives . Lets see what selectors do.
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Old October 21, 2012, 08:57 AM
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Wow, didn't see that before.... Rajshahi made a very big tactical error ... Declaring with only about 60 runs lead?? They should have tried to extend it... They underestimated the opponent so much... Now they have to chase a target over 300 in second innings and there is all the possibility that they will have collapses, while they will be playing to save the math from ball one in second innings....over smart decision...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ch/587059.html
Rajshahi didn't declare for tactical reason. They declared because they are 2 players down. Mushy and Sajib got injured. I don't think they will play in this game.
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Mushfiqur Rahim and Saqlain Sajib have escaped serious injuries after both showed signs of improvement a day after they collided during the opening day of Rajshahi Division's National Cricket League match against Dhaka Division in Mirpur. The pair, however, didn't bat in the first innings as Rajshahi declared on 178 after losing eight wickets.

The doctors have sent both players home, though Sajib has been ruled out for a ten days as his initial symptoms were cause for concern, according to the BCB's chief medical officer Dr Debashish Roy.

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Rajshahi didn't declare for tactical reason. They declared because they are 2 players down. Mushy and Sajib got injured. I don't think they will play in this game.
Ohhhh thanks.... Sorry for not remembering it...

But then the scorer did the mistake... He shouldn't have written for 8/d ... Do they write like this (Declared) in case of injured players not coming to bat??
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Old October 21, 2012, 11:11 AM
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I don't quite understand the Naeem love to be honest. The real question: is he capable of facing consistent pace/fast or spin bowling? He's out of International Cricket for some time now, is he confident enough to face all out WI attack atm? Some really big questions linger imo
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Recently, Against West Indies A, Naeem Islam and perhaps Mominul Haque to a lesser extent had any real "success" if you may call it with the bat among-st all the batsmen.
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Old October 21, 2012, 11:35 AM
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I don't quite understand the Naeem love to be honest. He's a tailor made grinder all right but the real question: is he capable of facing consistent pace/fast or spin bowling? He's out of International Cricket for some time now, is he confident enough to face all out WI attack atm? Some really big questions linger imo
Yes he is. He knows how to survive out there and kill time. He showed it against England back in 2010 in the Test Series that too while batting at Number 9 with the tail enders. He needs to get better at rotating the strike. Sometimes he tends to just give away maidens after maidens, which can put pressure on the player at the end other end. The reason he didn't live up to the expectation when he was in the national team is because the management never game him a real chance. They used him as an allrounder, and made him bat at 8/9. While in reality he barely bowls in the domestic circuit. Naeem batted in top 4/5 all his life for Rajshahi.

Riyad made his way into the Test team after having a killer domestic season, and he lived up the expectation for the time being. He played some good knocks against NZ, England and India. Which goes to show you even though our NCL is somewhat of a joke comparing to other FC leagues out there, but that doesn't necessarily always mean that performance from this league doesn't mean anything. Even in a low class league like ours you still have to work hard and apply yourself in order to perform. And if he can try to do the same I don't see why he can't perform in the international scene. If we are to pick the test squad based on performances from our domestic circuit I think Naeem has a real shot at getting picked to play at number 3/4. Whether he can live up the expectation or not only time will tell. I think he worked hard since getting dropped and at the very least he deserves to be in the 15 man squad.
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Old October 21, 2012, 04:06 PM
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Ohhhh thanks.... Sorry for not remembering it...

But then the scorer did the mistake... He shouldn't have written for 8/d ... Do they write like this (Declared) in case of injured players not coming to bat??
yes they write like that, it's not 10 down because the wickets weren't taken. when someone retires injured it isn't classed as a wicket, same goes for players who don't go in to bat, they're not considered a wicket so the only way the innings ends without them having to bat is declaring.
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Yes he is. He knows how to survive out there and kill time. He showed it against England back in 2010 in the Test Series that too while batting at Number 9 with the tail enders. He needs to get better at rotating the strike. Sometimes he tends to just give away maidens after maidens, which can put pressure on the player at the end other end. The reason he didn't live up to the expectation when he was in the national team is because the management never game him a real chance. They used him as an allrounder, and made him bat at 8/9. While in reality he barely bowls in the domestic circuit. Naeem batted in top 4/5 all his life for Rajshahi.

Riyad made his way into the Test team after having a killer domestic season, and he lived up the expectation for the time being. He played some good knocks against NZ, England and India. Which goes to show you even though our NCL is somewhat of a joke comparing to other FC leagues out there, but that doesn't necessarily always mean that performance from this league doesn't mean anything. Even in a low class league like ours you still have to work hard and apply yourself in order to perform. And if he can try to do the same I don't see why he can't perform in the international scene. If we are to pick the test squad based on performances from our domestic circuit I think Naeem has a real shot at getting picked to play at number 3/4. Whether he can live up the expectation or not only time will tell. I think he worked hard since getting dropped and at the very least he deserves to be in the 15 man squad.
He has been more consistent than some of the players that everyone here is dying to watch play for the national team. I'd pick him albeit his technical drawbacks and inability to pick singles, because anyone we pick in his stead hasn't shown the same level of consistency. Even if he scores a 150-ball 50, that's 25 overs of batting that others won't give you.
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To make full use of Naeem he shouldn't be sent below no. 5. There's no point in sending him at 8 and watching him score a 120-ball 30* batting with tail-enders. Ideally he'd be my number 4, giving him enough time to get a decent amount of runs and frustrate the opposition bowlers in the process so that two of our best batsmen (Shakib and Mushy) can come in and dominate them in the later stages of the innings. And I don't get this scepticism towards him. What more has he got to do to win your approval? I agree that he's a terrible LOI player but in Tests I'd gladly take the grit, determination and stamina he offers over the ability to 'pick up singles' (btw who are we talking about here?). At this point I'd pencil Naeem in the team-sheet before either Riyad or Nasir tbh.
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I agree with both sides of the argument regarding Naeem. He has shown his flaws against quality bowling, is woeful at rotating the strike and hasn't really gotten his international career going despite getting many chances. Yes he did bat at #8 the majority of the time but did he take the chance to have the team management move him up the order? Besides that 73* against Zimbabwe, he really did not do much. Nasir also started at #8 but look at the way he took advantage of his oppurtunity compared to Naeem and Riyad. So Naeem really should've done better with his chances.

That being said, he's been 1 of the best domestic batsmen since his time outside the national team. He consistently gets 100's at the FC level and has an average that's close to 40. That's really good for our standards. And the most important thing is that he's shown his ability to grind opposition in international cricket. His 50 against England and his 45 against the WI when we were in deep trouble shows that. So even though he should be in the shorter versions, I believe he deserves to stay in for the Test team. Ideally, I would rather have him playing in the 1st Test match instead of Riyad since he's shown better form but it looks like that won't happen. So he will probably end up on the bench but should get his chance if someone else fails continuously.
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I definitely wouldn't be quick to put a line through Naeem just because of his previous international performances. From what I understand he was seen more of as a bowling all rounder at that time but now would be going in as a specialist batsman. His test average of 29 isn't great but that was coming in a long way down the order so isn't terrible either. If he shows he is in top form in the NCL and keeps getting big runs, particularly centuries, then he must be given another shot. If you don't reward NCL form then the league will never improve. Players will fight tooth and nail for every run and wicket if they know that it will lead to their selection for internationals.
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my problem with naeem isn't what he's doing, it's the structure of the test team and positions available. imo the only batting spots available are #2 and #3 and mominul imo deserves the #3 spot, he's been the best A team batsman, just scored a ton and is probably more talented than naeem. spots 4-7 are filled by shakib, nasir and mushy. you could bat mushy at #7 (even though he's shown to be a very capable test match batsman), and i guess you could also move shakib and nasir down the order to allow naeem to bat at #4 or #5 but shakib has to bat in the top 5, #6 is to low for your best batsman which means nasir is left at #6 which imo is to low for him. nasir can play a similar innings to naeem, he has a cool head on his shoulders and can pull out big scores, we know he can be successful at the international level because he's already proved it in ODIs and he's been solid to-date in tests.

given that nasir and shakib are much more proven than naeem internationally, and even mushy (check his stats of the last 3 or so years). why take the gamble on naeem? nasir, shakib and mushy all have as good as or better test match records as naeem. 'don't fix what ain't broke' we're trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing. our test middle order should clearly be nasir, shakib and mushy in the 4-6 spots. #7 should go to a keeper or an allrounder. mominul deserves the #3 spot so if you're comfortable with naeem opening then fine he can be in the team as opener but otherwise i don't see a spot for him.

he should be the next in line middle order batsman though (unless shuvagata puts in some good performances), so he gets a spot in the squad as a back-up batsman but i think the playing XI doesn't have a spot for him at this point. for openers i'd either stick with nazimuddin or debut anamul. you could attempt naeem as opener, but he's made his batting success as a middle order batsman so it's a gamble, i realise the same can be said of nazimuddin but in his international career he's been an opener or #3 so he has more experience there at this point than naeem and he's done no worse than naeem in tests so far.
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btw it's good to see marshall ayub score a ton, he was a great prospect at one time and this year he's comeback and he's scoring a decent amount of runs, reckon he's another middle order prospect so the competition for those spots keeps improving. even top order spots are starting to get more competition with nafees, nazimuddin, anamul, shamsur, imrul, junaid, jahurul, mominul, SS.
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Talk about "technique" when you had Nazimuddin to open our national team batting whom I regard being the worst technically batsman my eyes ever witnessed. I dont see what's the fuss about Naeems technique. In seaming condition 99 percent of our batsman will find it difficult. The following question now becomes who is technically so correct in our lineup ? I was in favor of moving riyad up the order because its high team he takes some responsibility but I was put down because he does not have technique. Well either you man up for get the hell out of this team. Shahriar Nafee's and Junaids footwork are not too great either. We wanted Mushfiq to come at 4 in ODIs and said he has the best technique but he hasn't been successful there. Nowadays he proves to be the best finisher in the team so we want him to move down the order. At least in our soil, Naeems technique won't be an issue if he comes to bat at 4. I wouldn't open with him though. My ideal lineup would be

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I would keep an eye on Junaid to replace Anamul or Mominul in case things don't work out for them (but not until they are given a good run) and Riyad as a backup for Naeem.
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I think sohag should be given serious consideration because he's not an SLA, he has a great FC record including a terrific strike rate so he's a genuine wicket taker and he can also strengthen the batting.
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With the way Gazi played yesterday, that alone should have him in the team against the WI. To change the game the way he did against a strong team like Khulna is incredible. You don't find game changers every day and he seems like one. I would have him in the Test team along with Enamul.
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Enamul has done awesome but I'd have to stick with sunny, give him a decent run. 3rd spinner spot has to be between sohag and enamul imo.
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It seems majority of the BCers have faith in Naeem. Reminds me of the 2011 WC squad discussion where the trio of Naeem, Rock and Ryad got overwhelming support as well.

We will have to wait and see what Naeem does if he gets selected.
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