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Old September 29, 2012, 12:10 AM
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What about Anamul?

My point is Anamul and Mominul are our best hope of something good. So i just used the term Kohli. Who else are we looking to do become world class?
do you think the current A team matches should be any sort of factor for their selection? they haven't exactly scored a lot of runs so far, mominul has done alright though, but anamul has struggled to get runs.
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Old September 29, 2012, 02:40 AM
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In 12 years, we have produced 1 and a half world-class players. In the next 5 years, we will hopefully produce 2 and a half more and that will help us make a better fist of things.
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Old September 29, 2012, 02:43 AM
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Talking bul!$hit!

Being a commentator, television presenter and writer, did he ever ask or questioned why Bangladesh was not invited to play against India in Indian soil?
Why BCCI is not honouring FTP by not scheduling Bangladesh to play in India?

What did India/BCCI do to help Bangladesh cricket so far?

Now, if you, Mr. Bhogle ask me why BCCI/India will help us? Then shut up and you have no business with us.






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Just because India never invited us has nothing to do with a reporter who is pointing out that we suck. I hope we all agree on this part that we suck big time.
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That's why Anamul and Mominul should be selected for the WI series. We need to bring in some new blood to challenge our starters. And as for the "Watson" type player you're asking for, Soumya Sarkar seems to be the guy that matches Watson for us. Opens the batting plus is a decent pacer. Obviously that would be a huge ask for him being like Watson but hopefully he can eventually become a good player for us.
Watson is the MVP in limited overs cricket and in t20's he is miles ahead of anyone else when it comes to batting bowling plus fielding. Soumya Sarkar can come close to matching watson only in his dream.. lol
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Old September 29, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Before jumping on the bandwagon and commenting on Harsha Bhogle, please just look at his reply when I asked him about Bangladesh not getting invited by BCCI to play for a full series against India

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Old September 29, 2012, 11:27 AM
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Watson is the MVP in limited overs cricket and in t20's he is miles ahead of anyone else when it comes to batting bowling plus fielding. Soumya Sarkar can come close to matching watson only in his dream.. lol
I knew someone would misunderstand me. Please read again. I'm NOT saying Soumya will become as good as Watson. I said they have similarities with the way he also opens the batting and is a part time seamer. That's where the similarities end. Of course that's a huge ask for Soumya to become as good as Watson and I'm not expecting him to be. I would just be happy with him becoming a regular for us in the top order.

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Old September 29, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Talking bul!$hit!

Being a commentator, television presenter and writer, did he ever ask or questioned why Bangladesh was not invited to play against India in Indian soil?
Why BCCI is not honouring FTP by not scheduling Bangladesh to play in India?

What did India/BCCI do to help Bangladesh cricket so far?

Now, if you, Mr. Bhogle ask me why BCCI/India will help us? Then shut up and you have no business with us.

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Yeah he did actually.. Listen to this where Harsha raised the question while interviewing Siddons and Shamim after the Asia Cup
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte....html?genre=33
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do you think the current A team matches should be any sort of factor for their selection? they haven't exactly scored a lot of runs so far, mominul has done alright though, but anamul has struggled to get runs.
I say both of them should be in the team against the WI. Mominul has been the leading scorer in the A team for a while now. Anamul hasn't done as well as should've so far but due to the lack of quality keeper batsmen, he deserves to be there imo. What has Jahurul done all these years? And he doesn't seem to be a long term solution either, rather a stop gap. So I would have Anamul in against the WI. That being said, they should also be playing A team matches whenever available. Kind of like how Nasir played for the A team despite in the national team.

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Old September 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
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Just because India never invited us has nothing to do with a reporter who is pointing out that we suck. I hope we all agree on this part that we suck big time.
Once our rating in all formats of the game reaches 100 points in ALL forms of the games in the rankings, then and only then I would say we don't suck anymore but until then, we're still a weak team. Hate to admit it but its the truth.

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I say both of them should be in the team against the WI. Mominul has been the leading scorer in the A team for a while now. Anamul hasn't done as well as should've so far but due to the lack of quality keeper batsmen, he deserves to be there imo. What has Jahurul done all these years? And he doesn't seem to be a long term solution either, rather a stop gap. So I would have Anamul in against the WI. That being said, they should also be playing A team matches whenever available. Kind of like how Nasir played for the A team despite in the national team.

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Dhiman is a good keeper bat, I'm surprised how overlooked he is. anamul should probably focus on batting in the top 3, that's where he is needed most and most likely where he would bat since there doesn't seem to be any signs of mushy giving up the gloves.
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Old September 29, 2012, 11:40 PM
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Dhiman is a good keeper bat, I'm surprised how overlooked he is. anamul should probably focus on batting in the top 3, that's where he is needed most and most likely where he would bat since there doesn't seem to be any signs of mushy giving up the gloves.
He's getting overlooked because his batting isn't as good as Mushy, Jahurul or Anamul's and since our batting is so brittle, we go for the better batsman and in this case its Mushy. I don't see Mushy giving up the gloves up right now since Jahurul and Dhiman aren't as good and Anamul has yet to prove himself. Hopefully Anamul will be good and push Mushy. It would bring good competition.

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Old September 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
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He's getting overlooked because his batting isn't as good as Mushy, Jahurul or Anamul's and since our batting is so brittle, we go for the better batsman and in this case its Mushy. I don't see Mushy giving up the gloves up right now since Jahurul and Dhiman aren't as good and Anamul has yet to prove himself. Hopefully Anamul will be good and push Mushy. It would bring good competition.

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It would only push mushy if anamul was being looked at as a keeper selection which I guess they may be doing since he was keeper for the A team but up until this A team series anamul was being pushed as a top 4 specialist batsman, he could keep and bat top 4 in the shorter formats but it's very tough to do in tests. Showman the best glove man probably, still a good batsman but yeah but quite as good as mushy and anamul. For tests imo all of anamul, mushy and dhiman could make the one team.
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Old September 30, 2012, 12:34 AM
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Congrat Zinat!! (Celebrity, yayyy! :P) Lol I may not be fond of Harsha Bhugol-da as commie, but he is really a genial person.
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Before jumping on the bandwagon and commenting on Harsha Bhogle, please just look at his reply when I asked him about Bangladesh not getting invited by BCCI to play for a full series against India


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Well, thank you for letting us know!

Now, I want to know did he approach to BCCI about the issue? How many article he wrote at CI or in any other Indian newspaper?

I know for sure - BCB has approached to BCCI for the tours many times without an end result!

You can ask why I am so concern about the tour to India?
Answer is simple. As many of you say we "suck" (when we lose! And we become the world beater when we win one match!!) - may be we are! We need to fix so many issues, including infra-structures, mentality etc., but BCCI has a responsibility too being a neighbor, being the most powerful and wealthy cricket board to help us out.

One tour might not change everything but certainly will help our cricket immensely.
Do I have to factor out every point? You would know better than me anyway.
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Truth hurts but Harsha got this 100% spot on. He is one Indian commie I refrain from keeping the telly on mute.
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He's getting overlooked because his batting isn't as good as Mushy, Jahurul or Anamul's and since our batting is so brittle, we go for the better batsman and in this case its Mushy. I don't see Mushy giving up the gloves up right now since Jahurul and Dhiman aren't as good and Anamul has yet to prove himself. Hopefully Anamul will be good and push Mushy. It would bring good competition.

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Not sure how good Mushy's consistently, give the number of plays Mushy has under his belt, I am sure Dhiman could have done wonder to his keeping and batting as well.
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Talking bul!$hit!

Being a commentator, television presenter and writer, did he ever ask or questioned why Bangladesh was not invited to play against India in Indian soil?
Why BCCI is not honouring FTP by not scheduling Bangladesh to play in India?

What did India/BCCI do to help Bangladesh cricket so far?

Now, if you, Mr. Bhogle ask me why BCCI/India will help us? Then shut up and you have no business with us.


-As myself.
As if we would have been any better team just by visiting India. Instead India has played us in BD, that wasn't any less. And while we aren't helping ourselves, we are trying to measure how much of help they have offered??

We can beg for help, and if someone doesn't help, there is no beggars right authority to complain about it. What we can do instead, is just keep quiet and help ourselves first. We have the ability to hire any kind of professional for knowledge, but none can make up for the lacking in our own sincerity. If we are sincere enough about our cricket's development and are ready to do the hard work ... None can stop us and we don't need to beg for help.

I as a Bangladeshi and a BD cricket fan, just don't like to beg for an Indian tour and make that a reason or lack of indin support a reason for our backward situation I cricket. Either we do the hard work ourselves and improve, or we perish. We no more have the poor/lack of money CARD IN CRICKET that we always use for our backward situation in every damn sector. I hope that's also the case for all sectors now... Lets stop crying for help and let's stop using the lack of resource card for ever as a nation. If we are worth doing something, lets prove it by our ability...and that can begin with Cricket..

The days of relief aids are over my fellow citizens... Lets change our attitude and be self reliant and revive our self respect as a nation. Yes, we have to challenge the Top 8 by our own merit and capacity, not by the mercy of anyone of them.
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Not sure how good Mushy's consistently, give the number of plays Mushy has under his belt, I am sure Dhiman could have done wonder to his keeping and batting as well.
Well from the last time I watched Dhiman, his keeping was obviously much better than Mushy's but his batting was not nearly as good. That was of course, a long time ago and I haven't seen his batting since but he hasn't been that great in the A team either. I agree though Mushy hasn't progressed the way he should've. He's obviously had some quality innings in his time but not consistently enough. Hes been a bit lucky that there aren't other wicketkeepers that can bat as well as him but hopefully that changes with Anamul coming in.
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As if we would have been any better team just by visiting India. Instead India has played us in BD, that wasn't any less. And while we aren't helping ourselves, we are trying to measure how much of help they have offered??

We can beg for help, and if someone doesn't help, there is no beggars right authority to complain about it. What we can do instead, is just keep quiet and help ourselves first. We have the ability to hire any kind of professional for knowledge, but none can make up for the lacking in our own sincerity. If we are sincere enough about our cricket's development and are ready to do the hard work ... None can stop us and we don't need to beg for help.

I as a Bangladeshi and a BD cricket fan, just don't like to beg for an Indian tour and make that a reason or lack of indin support a reason for our backward situation I cricket. Either we do the hard work ourselves and improve, or we perish. We no more have the poor/lack of money CARD IN CRICKET that we always use for our backward situation in every damn sector. I hope that's also the case for all sectors now... Lets stop crying for help and let's stop using the lack of resource card for ever as a nation. If we are worth doing something, lets prove it by our ability...and that can begin with Cricket..

The days of relief aids are over my fellow citizens... Lets change our attitude and be self reliant and revive our self respect as a nation. Yes, we have to challenge the Top 8 by our own merit and capacity, not by the mercy of anyone of them.
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Well from the last time I watched Dhiman, his keeping was obviously much better than Mushy's but his batting was not nearly as good. That was of course, a long time ago and I haven't seen his batting since but he hasn't been that great in the A team either. I agree though Mushy hasn't progressed the way he should've. He's obviously had some quality innings in his time but not consistently enough. Hes been a bit lucky that there aren't other wicketkeepers that can bat as well as him but hopefully that changes with Anamul coming in.
If I remember right, Dhiman is lightening quick as a keeper. I always wondered if having him in the team is really worth a shot or not since Mushys batting hasn't produced as much as we have liked, overall.
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If I remember right, Dhiman is lightening quick as a keeper. I always wondered if having him in the team is really worth a shot or not since Mushys batting hasn't produced as much as we have liked, overall.
You remember correctly bhai. Dhiman is very efficient behind the stumps. Coach Ian was also very impressed with the way he kept the wickets in the BPL when he kept for Ajmal and Afridi. Actually before Rangpur was formed in the NCL, both Mushy and Dhiman were on Rajshahi and Dhiman was the one who kept wickets ahead of Mushy. So it clearly shows that even their domestic side preferred Dhiman as the keeper.

As for having Dhiman in the team, I'm hoping the selectors keep him in mind for Tests especially. Mushy's keeping in Tests has not been very good at all and as we know, a drop in Tests could mean a guy could go on to score a 100. I feel Dhiman could be our answer as our Test wicketkeeper and should be our wicketkeeper in that format. As for the shorter versions, again it's a possibility. Mushy hasn't proved to be the answer at #4. So the question arises, do we really need him that much at #5-7? I feel we could easily slot Dhiman in there and see what he has to offer. Again he might not be as effective as Mushy but has Mushy been all that great with the bat? Plus Dhiman would more than make up for it with his keeping. So the selectors should definitely think about Dhiman in their plans for the national team.
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the thing to do is to take the gloves away from mushy, then he'll have to prove his worth as a batsman.
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As if we would have been any better team just by visiting India. Instead India has played us in BD, that wasn't any less. And while we aren't helping ourselves, we are trying to measure how much of help they have offered??

We can beg for help, and if someone doesn't help, there is no beggars right authority to complain about it. What we can do instead, is just keep quiet and help ourselves first. We have the ability to hire any kind of professional for knowledge, but none can make up for the lacking in our own sincerity. If we are sincere enough about our cricket's development and are ready to do the hard work ... None can stop us and we don't need to beg for help.

I as a Bangladeshi and a BD cricket fan, just don't like to beg for an Indian tour and make that a reason or lack of indin support a reason for our backward situation I cricket. Either we do the hard work ourselves and improve, or we perish. We no more have the poor/lack of money CARD IN CRICKET that we always use for our backward situation in every damn sector. I hope that's also the case for all sectors now... Lets stop crying for help and let's stop using the lack of resource card for ever as a nation. If we are worth doing something, lets prove it by our ability...and that can begin with Cricket..

The days of relief aids are over my fellow citizens... Lets change our attitude and be self reliant and revive our self respect as a nation. Yes, we have to challenge the Top 8 by our own merit and capacity, not by the mercy of anyone of them.
agree totally with you

Why are we blaming our neighbourse for not supporting us. We are a test nation with enough money to run FC matches throughout the year and yet we are in such a condition.
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You remember correctly bhai. Dhiman is very efficient behind the stumps. Coach Ian was also very impressed with the way he kept the wickets in the BPL when he kept for Ajmal and Afridi. Actually before Rangpur was formed in the NCL, both Mushy and Dhiman were on Rajshahi and Dhiman was the one who kept wickets ahead of Mushy. So it clearly shows that even their domestic side preferred Dhiman as the keeper.

As for having Dhiman in the team, I'm hoping the selectors keep him in mind for Tests especially. Mushy's keeping in Tests has not been very good at all and as we know, a drop in Tests could mean a guy could go on to score a 100. I feel Dhiman could be our answer as our Test wicketkeeper and should be our wicketkeeper in that format. As for the shorter versions, again it's a possibility. Mushy hasn't proved to be the answer at #4. So the question arises, do we really need him that much at #5-7? I feel we could easily slot Dhiman in there and see what he has to offer. Again he might not be as effective as Mushy but has Mushy been all that great with the bat? Plus Dhiman would more than make up for it with his keeping. So the selectors should definitely think about Dhiman in their plans for the national team.
What i am thinking is that if Dhiman had the same time and opportunity as mushfiq, who knows we could have had a better wicket keeper batsman right now. Mushfiq is a hardworker but his development as a batsman over the years has been really slow.
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