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Old December 19, 2012, 07:50 AM
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Rarely seen Kulasekara bowling over 135 KPH. He is mostly at 130 range. He is a passenger in Test at best. He is still without a five-for; not sure how anyone can rate him esp in Tests. Sorry for irrelevant post here.
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Old December 19, 2012, 09:35 AM
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Well they have Malinga in the shorter formats. Despite all his injuries and trouble he can still bowl over 140 kph with ease. Not like the Indian bowlers who start at 140+ and settle at 130-135. Yes they could do with quick bowler for the longer format.

But worldwide there seems to be a dearth of genuine quicks atm. Pakistan surprisingly doesnt have an express bowler. South Africa and Australian have fast bowlers, but who are not exactly in the Shoaib Akhter, Brett Lee, Shaun Tait mold. West Indies, England, New Zealand, none of them have someone who can bang it in over 145.

I still remember Mashrafe bowling against Zimbabwe when he started off. He was pounding it in between 140-145 kph. Zimbabwean batsmen really didnt know what hit them. They were getting beaten by bounce, pace. The ball was also hitting them on their thigh, leg causing discomfort. I also vaguely remember Shahadat had the same impact in the Under 19 WC. He was used as the third seamer, and he was really harassing batsmen with his bounce and pace. This type of bowling will get the respect of the best of batsmen. We could really do with someone like that.
Our pacers short term burst from U19 to early twenties and failing to retain the stamina and other criteria of pace bowling will always be a concern till so many things are fixed to nurture a pace bowler. Sadly, nothing is happening and I see the trend will continue with the Rubel, Shafiul and now the pipeline ones Taskin, Abul and others. Wish Mashrafee does something once he retires to revive his next generations. Unfortunately the board and adminstrators' lack of qualification does not give any hope besides individual player's contribution like I mentioned about Mash. He can do something like Pilot, Imrul and Rajin doing.
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Old December 19, 2012, 11:28 AM
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>> Our pacers short term burst from U19 to early twenties and failing to retain the stamina

Mone hoi Biriani effect
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Old December 19, 2012, 07:38 PM
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Pace bowlers are not produced in factories. And even the last factory in Pakistan shut down few years ago!!
India with all their resources, couldnt yet come up with someone who can replace Zahir Khan and even Zahir was nowhere close to Kapil Dev. After the Shoaib Akhter, Sami, Gul, Pakistan is settling with mediocre Aizaz Cheema or Junaid and their ace bowler is actually their spinner.

So, if Bangladesh cannot come up with the next Mashrafee or Syed Rasel, its not a surprise because our domestic league doesnt allow pacers to grow and we don't have any real academy for pace bowlers. When a all muscle missing Shafiul, Nazmul is in our pipleline.. you might as well call the factory closed!!
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Old December 19, 2012, 07:57 PM
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There is one bowler I feel that is going to take the world by storm. But it is very important that the u-19 bowlers are not thrown to international cricket early at their age. There are many reasons for this. An u-19 bowler is still learning, he might have raw talent, raw pace but he is still learning about swing, he is still learning about control and other things. Once he is catapulted into the big league, quite naturally they will be scared to try and test out new things and their talent is destroyed as they capabilities are not fully nurtured and allowed to grow. There is Taskin Ahmed who I feel is going to be even better than Mashrafe. But my plea to the selectors is, do not keep destroying such talents. Allow them to play longer at leagues. Set a minimum required age for a fast bowler to play national team.
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Old December 20, 2012, 11:55 AM
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What pipeline? to hve a pipeline, you need to "polish" it every now and than. we don't even do that and we expect us to have a strong pipe--line?

We should open a thread for SLA pipeline, coz that was our past, present and will be our future. so stop wasting time bowling fast and working hard for it. start bowling SLA and you will earn alot in life and will get a team in BPl too.

Outside the NAT team, apart from Al Amin(just), Alauddin Babu, Mahbubul Alam and SRK none of the pacers got a team in the bpl.

1)Taskin
2) Talha
3) Sajedul
4) Dollar
5) Kazi Kamrul
6) Kamrul Rabbi
7) Abu Jayed
8) D. Sabbir
...and many more!!!!


Now compare that with bunch of unknown SLA'er, they just didn't got a team, but also went for plenty of $$$$$. Whereas, nobody even bothered to bid of 10k for any of the pacers outside the nats team
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Old December 20, 2012, 11:58 AM
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What pipeline? to hve a pipeline, you need to "polish" it every now and than. we don't even do that and we expect us to have a strong pipe--line?

We should open a thread for SLA pipeline, coz that was our past, present and will be our future. so stop wasting time bowling fast and working hard for it. start bowling SLA and you will earn alot in life and will get a team in BPl too.

Outside the NAT team, apart from Al Amin(just), Alauddin Babu, Mahbubul Alam and SRK none of the pacers got a team in the bpl.


Missed out players:
1)Taskin
2) Talha
3) Sajedul
4) Dollar
5) Kazi Kamrul
6) Kamrul Rabbi
7) Abu Jayed
8) D. Sabbir
...and many more!!!!


Now compare that with bunch of unknown SLA'er, they just didn't got a team, but also went for plenty of $$$$$. Whereas, nobody even bothered to bid of 10k for any of the pacers outside the nats team
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Old December 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
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What pipeline? to hve a pipeline, you need to "polish" it every now and than. we don't even do that and we expect us to have a strong pipe--line?

We should open a thread for SLA pipeline, coz that was our past, present and will be our future. so stop wasting time bowling fast and working hard for it. start bowling SLA and you will earn alot in life and will get a team in BPl too.

Outside the NAT team, apart from Al Amin(just), Alauddin Babu, Mahbubul Alam and SRK none of the pacers got a team in the bpl.


Missed out players:
1)Taskin
2) Talha
3) Sajedul
4) Dollar
5) Kazi Kamrul
6) Kamrul Rabbi
7) Abu Jayed
8) D. Sabbir
...and many more!!!!


Now compare that with bunch of unknown SLA'er, they just didn't got a team, but also went for plenty of $$$$$. Whereas, nobody even bothered to bid of 10k for any of the pacers outside the nats team
Spot on, this sums up why our pace pipeline is one of the worst in the world even considering those teams below us. The way they got ignored by BPL teams is simply unacceptable and not good for the future of BD at all
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Old December 20, 2012, 12:51 PM
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When Shahadat Hossain gets only 20,000, Dollar gets 10,000 but Forhad Hossain gets 42,000, Shohag Gazi gets 165,000,,, that tells the story on why pace bowlers will be always scarce for us.

Mashrafee is exceptional but other than him and a peculiarly drawn Abul Hasan Raju, no pace bowlers made any news.... I am afraid if we keep on doing this, even BPL quality will suffer and it will not improve our pace department... there is financial incentive at the national level or at the BPL level to pursue the pace career; Its a shame that a player like Shahadat gets only $20,000 when he is still part of the national pool of players.
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Old December 20, 2012, 01:21 PM
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When Shahadat Hossain gets only 20,000, Dollar gets 10,000 but Forhad Hossain gets 42,000, Shohag Gazi gets 165,000,,, that tells the story on why pace bowlers will be always scarce for us.

Mashrafee is exceptional but other than him and a peculiarly drawn Abul Hasan Raju, no pace bowlers made any news.... I am afraid if we keep on doing this, even BPL quality will suffer and it will not improve our pace department... there is financial incentive at the national level or at the BPL level to pursue the pace career; Its a shame that a player like Shahadat gets only $20,000 when he is still part of the national pool of players.
We need a solution for us. No way but to make pace friendly wickets.
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Old December 20, 2012, 01:39 PM
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I see BPL is the consumer of the stuff that is comming out from the pipe, i.e. its at the end of the pipeline.

A consumer (in this case BPL) will not accept bad or unfininshed product or the product that will not give value that they are getting now (not for future) for the price they are paying. if they are not ahppy with the product comming out of the pipeline, they will go for other product (spinners, military Fb with batting power, foreign FBs).

Therefore the problem is not at this end of the pipeline, the problem is in the pipeline or at the begining of the pipeline (bad raw material). Yes good FB pitch can create the demand of FBs, but we need to go further to solve the root cause of the problem which may be failing to pick the right raw FB talent and failing to develop them in the pipeline.

Also please keep in mind, the type of player in demand for T20 is different than type of players that is needed for ODi or TeST.... unless you are very good and economical and establsihed as a specialized FB, you will be ignored in T20 format by franchised team management, where not BCB, but team owner/management select the team.
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Old December 20, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Agreed with Fazal that it isnt BPLs fault. The Franchises are there to win the trophy not there for charity reasons. But one thing the BPL team owners probably are banking on are the foreign pacers. Last time it was Sohail Tanvir who took most of the wickets and it was Azhar Mahmood who pretty much pulled Dhaka Gladiators.. So pacers do have a role to play at Mirpur, Khulna and Chittagong as much as we all keep thinking that our pitch don't play pacers well.

Nevertheless, we have to rely on our McKinnes on the Academy side or a sudden NCL discovery to still instill some belief in the next young pacers mind that there are some 'bhat' for pacers in Bangladesh, even if it isnt as Biriyani like for the Spinners!!
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Old December 20, 2012, 05:32 PM
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^but they also ignored foreign pacers such as Dirk Nannes and Shaun Tait...
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Old December 21, 2012, 03:38 AM
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^but they also ignored foreign pacers such as Dirk Nannes and Shaun Tait...
It's because they won't be available for many matches.
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Old December 21, 2012, 04:40 AM
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Talha Zubair not playing BPL was bit suprised.
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Old January 26, 2013, 10:51 PM
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As expected our pace bowlers are having no impact in BPL. Forhad Reza is the leading Bangladeshi pace bowler with 5 wickets from 5 matches which is nothing special any way.

But rather surprising how Shapoor Zadran has done so well. He's not quicker than our bowlers, nor is he more skillful. His attitude and aggressive approach makes a huge difference. Sth for Shahadat to learn?
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Old January 29, 2013, 11:51 AM
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Our bowlers should watch Fidel's spell today. An amazing display of controlled aggression.
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Abul has a pretty good average in the BPL although his econ rate's pretty high. Shafiul's showing impressive consistency in all domestic competitions. Farhad Reza has been decent as well, much better showing after being a flop in the last BPL. My main worry is Rubel, he's been really struggling since his comeback from injury. Overall our pace situation is far from ideal but we have to keep working with these pacers and hope they yield some decent results. We don't need them to be Steyn or Morkel, but at least support our spinners. This is what our pacers did pretty well in the WI series and it was enough to beat them.
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Our pacers are okay but nothing special. Our pacers at this moment are fine in limited overs, their averages speak for themselves and are good but its Test Cricket where our pacers struggle and just can't seem to get 3-5 wickets per innings therefore averaging well over 50 which is poor.

I have never seen our pace bowlers in Test Cricket aiming for the batsman body, hitting the seam consistently or whatever the basics of what a fast bowler should know and do. Whether we like it or not, we have to make do with the fast bowlers we currently have and should consider ourselves lucky that are not that bad but okay but really, prefer to see a cluster of top quality express fast bowlers in the team but there's not much evidence that we are anywhere close to finding one.

Injuries is another major concern for our fast bowlers which is why it would be wise to rotate our bowlers so they are not picking up injuries for example, Rubel and Abul in 1st test match then 2nd test match, Rubel and Mashrafe then ODI Shafiul and Nazmul etc etc. I would also like to see these fast bowlers of ours eating a proper diet and someone like Shafiul working on his physique so he can increase his average speed of 79mph to about 82mph.

But if we really want to sort out our pace bowling then we need to create proper fast bowling programs, academies etc and change some of our pitches so we can encourage players who want to become fast bowlers which btw isn't easy.
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Old January 29, 2013, 08:09 PM
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Our bowlers should watch Fidel's spell today. An amazing display of controlled aggression.

Its looks afghan fast bowler is better than ours fast bowler.
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Afghanistan has someone better than Shapoor Zadran. Someone by the name of Hamid Hassan. 6 ft 5, much quicker and more skillful. Yeah they definitely have a more potent pace attack than us.
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Old January 29, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Why isn't Hamid Hasan in BPL 2. He was bought last year, but I think he was injured and didn't play.
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Old January 29, 2013, 11:44 PM
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Is still injured i believe. Btw Afghanistan is better than us in football now. At the rate guys like Nabi and Shapoor are playing wonder when they will topple us in cricket.
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Is still injured i believe. Btw Afghanistan is better than us in football now. At the rate guys like Nabi and Shapoor are playing wonder when they will topple us in cricket.
Personally I don't take that as an insult any more than I would if LeBron James posterized me in my driveway.

Afghans are freakishly athletic, unlike Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis. Its only a matter of time before they equal us or even surpass us perhaps. Too bad their security situation sucks. The Irish too deserve more for their efforts than they are getting right now, despite their habit of big-mouthing ZIM and BD.

That being said, the Afghans are still quite a ways behind us in every department except perhaps pace bowling.
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Not only athletic, they have the proper physique and proper diet unlike ours.
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