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Old October 11, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Shouldn't our selectors react to opposition's strategy ...?
What can our selectors do? We simply have no other options.
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Old October 11, 2012, 12:02 PM
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Shouldn't our selectors react to opposition's strategy ...?
I wish they knew how to play the game theory!! Yeah they will react and that's like"oh you have the best of the bests in your line up then we have the crap of the craps in our line up- beat Shahadat, Abul, Shafiul et al '
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Old October 11, 2012, 12:05 PM
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Shouldn't our selectors react to opposition's strategy ...?
React korte gele mathay kichu thakte hobe to aagey.

Then again, our reserves are probably bigger Abuls than Abul himself.
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Old October 11, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Then again, our reserves are probably bigger Abuls than Abul himself.
Haha. True that.
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Old October 11, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Shouldn't our selectors react to opposition's strategy ...?
Not much the selectors can do here. SLA's is supposedly our strength and we have no choice but to use them. Beside Shakib, it will be either Razzak/Sunny/Enam Jnr who will be taken in as the 2nd spinner. Shakib and other SLA will keep on bowling from one end. The pacers will only be there to make the ball old and take the shine off.

But Muhsy and management can get creative.

1. They can have the SLAs bowl around the wicket as that will give a natural angle to create more LBWs and bat-pad catches.

2. Have Riyad and Nasir (both offies) bowl to the lefties from over the wicket. As they will take the bowl away from the batsmen, they can consider two slips.

Let's see what they do.
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Old October 12, 2012, 12:28 AM
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Not much the selectors can do here. SLA's is supposedly our strength and we have no choice but to use them. Beside Shakib, it will be either Razzak/Sunny/Enam Jnr who will be taken in as the 2nd spinner. Shakib and other SLA will keep on bowling from one end. The pacers will only be there to make the ball old and take the shine off.

But Muhsy and management can get creative.

1. They can have the SLAs bowl around the wicket as that will give a natural angle to create more LBWs and bat-pad catches.

2. Have Riyad and Nasir (both offies) bowl to the lefties from over the wicket. As they will take the bowl away from the batsmen, they can consider two slips.

Let's see what they do.
For tests there is no way razzak should be considered, sunny hasn't done anything wrong to get dropped but enamul has been impressive. Can't we take 3 spinners? If we take 3 spinners then we could always play sohag gazi for some variation. I reckon in tests we are much better off batting to 7 and playing 5 bowlers (including shakib) which gives room for 3 good spinners to be in the team and 2 pacers plus your nasir's and riyad's who shouldn't be needed but will be there just in case.
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No mentions of imrul, nazim bring in anamul, mominul, rubel, rube, naeem
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Old October 12, 2012, 03:59 AM
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No mentions of imrul, nazim bring in anamul, mominul, rubel, rube, naeem
tbh it's the best time to bring these guys in, mominul has been the best A team batsman for the last couple of series, anamul should still have a bit of a high from his u19 WC campaign and if they set the batting order right i.e. 1 tamim 2 anamul 3 mominul 4 shakib/nasir 5 shakib/nasir 6 mushy then they're coming into a team which consists of BD's best batsmen ever produced to-date and they're beginning a long time partnership batting at #2 and #3 (it's always great when two batsmen understand each other very well and play for years together) plus with nasir and shakib coming in next they'll learn how to create partnerships (even with tamim they could) and not only that the series is at home, so they'll debut in home conditions, it's against one of the weaker test teams (though they're still a quality team no doubt).
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Old October 12, 2012, 05:39 AM
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W I is coming with lot of lefty ? Its gonna kill us. We don't have any decent offi. We need to prepare Shohag Gazi for future. Our selrctors did a poor job in last WI H P team tour in Bangladesh. It was a great chance to test Shohag Gazi.
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Old October 12, 2012, 12:08 PM
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W I is coming with lot of lefty ? Its gonna kill us. We don't have any decent offi. We need to prepare Shohag Gazi for future. Our selrctors did a poor job in last WI H P team tour in Bangladesh. It was a great chance to test Shohag Gazi.
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Old October 12, 2012, 12:12 PM
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Even we take three 'specialist' spinners (all of them SLA), their spinners is way ahead of ours and definitely it might backfire knowing our current top and middle order condition. Ja dektasi mone hoitase Javed Omar ar Rajin Saleh der ante hoibo ...(j/k)...I think test line should definitely change but the problem is if we bring batsmen like Naeem and Rokibul who will sit out!! On the other hand if Enam Jr comes in will Sunny be benched?
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Old October 12, 2012, 04:31 PM
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Even we take three 'specialist' spinners (all of them SLA), their spinners is way ahead of ours and definitely it might backfire knowing our current top and middle order condition. Ja dektasi mone hoitase Javed Omar ar Rajin Saleh der ante hoibo ...(j/k)...I think test line should definitely change but the problem is if we bring batsmen like Naeem and Rokibul who will sit out!! On the other hand if Enam Jr comes in will Sunny be benched?
rock in tests? no way, naeem can only come in if he bats at #7, imo no there are no other spaces unless they don't pick anamul and mominul and then there are a couple of spaces obviously. i think the combo of shakib and sunny is equal to narine/bishoo or badree or shillingford or benn whoever the second spinner is, narine and shakib should be pretty equal, maybe narine is ahead slightly but sunny is quality and probably better than their pick for 2nd spinner.

personally i reckon if they take 3 spinners then sohag gazi should be considered, shakib, sunny and enamul might be really good spinners but there isn't variation there.
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Old October 13, 2012, 01:54 PM
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I'm interested to see what the selectors do with our Test team since it was a while back before we last played one. From that lineup we had Tamim and Nazim opening, SN at #3 and then Shakib, Nasir, Riyad, and Mushy form our middle order. Now question is will they pick Nazim at opener again? He wasn't picked for any of the A team matches so I feel he won't be picked. I feel SN will stay either as an opener or as the #3. Since we saw Shakib at #3 in T20's, will team management have him that high up again or will they still have him bat at 5-7? I think Naeem will make the team either as a backup or as #7. Interesting to see whether they pick Jahurul or Anamul as the backup keeper-batsmen. I feel both have an equal chance at getting the slot. Mominul also has a good shot of making the team.

As for the bowling, will they take the risk of throwing Mash in? If not, then that means Shafiul, Rubel, and Shahadat will probably form our pace unit. As for the spinners, Elias and Enamul are definitely in. Once again we're going to really need the spinners to take most of the wickets.
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Old October 13, 2012, 02:08 PM
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^^^^ Selecting the team is really a vital issue in test match.To me Mominul is the best #3 option and Naeem should get a chance too.So I am thinking the team like this:
1.Tamim
2........
3.Mominul
4.Shakib
5.Riyad
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
8.Naeem
I am really confused about the partner of Tamm. Contenders are Nazimuddin,SN and Kayes.
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Old October 13, 2012, 02:26 PM
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^^^^ Selecting the team is really a vital issue in test match.To me Mominul is the best #3 option and Naeem should get a chance too.So I am thinking the team like this:
1.Tamim
2........
3.Mominul
4.Shakib
5.Riyad
6.Mushy
7.Nasir
8.Naeem
I am really confused about the partner of Tamm. Contenders are Nazimuddin,SN and Kayes.
I wouldn't bat 8 deep bhai. So in that case I would drop Naeem from there and have him on the bench. And I agree with you about Mominul getting the nod at #3. He's been the best A team batsman and its time we work him in to the team. As for the opening spot, it seems the competition is wide open. SN, Nazim, Imrul, Junaid, Shamsur, Jahurul, and Anamul seem to all have a chance. I feel they'll end up taking SN and either Anamul/Jahurul from this lot.
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Old October 13, 2012, 02:35 PM
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I wouldn't bat 8 deep bhai. So in that case I would drop Naeem from there and have him on the bench. And I agree with you about Mominul getting the nod at #3. He's been the best A team batsman and its time we work him in to the team. As for the opening spot, it seems the competition is wide open. SN, Nazim, Imrul, Junaid, Shamsur, Jahurul, and Anamul seem to all have a chance. I feel they'll end up taking SN and either Anamul/Jahurul from this lot.
I am interested to take 8 batsman only reason is after accommodating the 8th batsman we ll have total 4 specialist bowler with riyad as a back up bowler. I dont think we need more than 4 front line bowler. Rather an extra batsman will help us.
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Here is a thought, Those some discarded players with the likes of Naeem and Junaid has something to offer in tests. I believe both of them has a better future if groomed specially for tests. These two can be very gritty when it comes to staying at the wicket.

For Nazim and Imrul, I dont see their technique being enough for even ODI's, let alone test. And Raquibul is a forgotten name by this time. He plays ODIs as tests but can't survive long enough in tests.

Nafees is someone I am willing to give a few more chances but I am not hopeful he will bring something new to the plate. Opening may not be his right place and we can't offer him a place in the middle order.

Mushfique MUST up his game in tests because he looks to me the weakling in this test side considering his batting. I am all for Anamul as his track record in 4 days games is impressive. His T20 debut little do justice for the talent he posses.

I am still in between in Mominul's case. We desperately need a top order batsman not just in tests but all the format but should his debut happen right now, is the question.

Lastly, I would really like to see some new spinners. Sohag Gazi, Enamul jnr or arafat sunny and likes. Razzak is too inconsistent and elias sunny is too predictable.
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Does this all matter? We are all screwed with Gayle opening the batting in tests. And then Bravo, Chanderpaul would come after him...
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imrul for tests....no way he should be considered. naeem is a possible but as a #7 imo. order should be but no doubt won't be like this:

1 tamim
2 anamul
3 mominul
4 shakib (shakib is only at #4 because nasir is still inexperienced and so are anamul and mominul, otherwise #4 would be nasir).
5 nasir
6 mushy
7 dhiman

tamim is our best opener so of course he makes it, anamul is our best prospect and done well in FC domestics plus u19 WC, momimul has been batting #3 lately and is still the A teams best batsman, shakib and nasir are our best partnership building batsmen who can play in any situation and generally come up good when needed, mushy has been our best #6 for years in tests and ODIs and dhiman can play as wicket keeper batsman (he's not horrible with the bat). but this will never happen because mushy will keep the gloves, and i don't think it's likely both anamul and mominul will be selected.

possible they'll put shakib at #3 which imo is to much to ask when he's also expected to be the best bowler.

possible nazimuddin wasn't in the A team because they weren't questioning his spot as 2nd opener, i think naeem has a good chance of being in the team to.
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imrul for tests....no way he should be considered. naeem is a possible but as a #7 imo. order should be but no doubt won't be like this:

1 tamim
2 anamul
3 mominul
4 shakib (shakib is only at #4 because nasir is still inexperienced and so are anamul and mominul, otherwise #4 would be nasir).
5 nasir
6 mushy
7 dhiman

tamim is our best opener so of course he makes it, anamul is our best prospect and done well in FC domestics plus u19 WC, momimul has been batting #3 lately and is still the A teams best batsman, shakib and nasir are our best partnership building batsmen who can play in any situation and generally come up good when needed, mushy has been our best #6 for years in tests and ODIs and dhiman can play as wicket keeper batsman (he's not horrible with the bat). but this will never happen because mushy will keep the gloves, and i don't think it's likely both anamul and mominul will be selected.

possible they'll put shakib at #3 which imo is to much to ask when he's also expected to be the best bowler.

possible nazimuddin wasn't in the A team because they weren't questioning his spot as 2nd opener, i think naeem has a good chance of being in the team to.
I dont think there is any benefit putting in a keeper if Mushfiq is going to bat at #6. We might as well put Naeem in Dhimans spot. I would only put a keeper in if Mushfiq is batting high up the order (which i doubt will happen). Naeem would be more useful to the team because he can bowl as well.
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I dont think there is any benefit putting in a keeper if Mushfiq is going to bat at #6. We might as well put Naeem in Dhimans spot. I would only put a keeper in if Mushfiq is batting high up the order (which i doubt will happen). Naeem would be more useful to the team because he can bowl as well.
i know mushy keeps well sometimes but not all the time, that's where dhiman will. also mushy not having to worry about keeping means he can focus on batting which means he should have better output when batting which is better for the team. plus not much need for naeem's bowling if you have shakib, 2 specialist spinners, 2 specialist pacers plus nasir as back-up.

naeem does have strengths and i think his inclusion or omission comes down to what you want your team dynamic to be.
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i know mushy keeps well sometimes but not all the time, that's where dhiman will. also mushy not having to worry about keeping means he can focus on batting which means he should have better output when batting which is better for the team. plus not much need for naeem's bowling if you have shakib, 2 specialist spinners, 2 specialist pacers plus nasir as back-up.

naeem does have strengths and i think his inclusion or omission comes down to what you want your team dynamic to be.
i understand but i wouldnt count on Nasir as a back up. I rate Naeems bowling much higher than Nasir's. Naeem as i said is much for economical.

I think its important to have bowlers like Nasir and Naeem in the team. If our bowlers cant get wickets and there is a huge partnership building up then a bowler like Nasir and Naeem can provide a breakthrough wicket. Even the erratic Ashraful has a knack of providing breakthrough wickets.

But imo since Mushfiq is low down the order id leave him with the gloves and i would replace Dhiman with Naeem simply because he brings much more to the table.
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imrul for tests....no way he should be considered. naeem is a possible but as a #7 imo. order should be but no doubt won't be like this:

1 tamim
2 anamul
3 mominul
4 shakib (shakib is only at #4 because nasir is still inexperienced and so are anamul and mominul, otherwise #4 would be nasir).
5 nasir
6 mushy
7 dhiman

tamim is our best opener so of course he makes it, anamul is our best prospect and done well in FC domestics plus u19 WC, momimul has been batting #3 lately and is still the A teams best batsman, shakib and nasir are our best partnership building batsmen who can play in any situation and generally come up good when needed, mushy has been our best #6 for years in tests and ODIs and dhiman can play as wicket keeper batsman (he's not horrible with the bat). but this will never happen because mushy will keep the gloves, and i don't think it's likely both anamul and mominul will be selected.

possible they'll put shakib at #3 which imo is to much to ask when he's also expected to be the best bowler.

possible nazimuddin wasn't in the A team because they weren't questioning his spot as 2nd opener, i think naeem has a good chance of being in the team to.
I would pick the same squad if I were the selector but I also have my doubts this will happen. 1st Dhiman hasn't been picked even in the A team so that means he won't be picked for the WI tour. And as much as I want Anamul and Mominul in the team, I have my doubts that they'll be picked. If they don't get picked then most likely we'll see Jahurul there and either Junaid or Ashraful. Since Ashraful ended up getting the nod ahead of Junaid for the T20 WC, we'll probably see him ahead of Junaid in the pecking order.
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Here is a thought, Those some discarded players with the likes of Naeem and Junaid has something to offer in tests. I believe both of them has a better future if groomed specially for tests. These two can be very gritty when it comes to staying at the wicket.

For Nazim and Imrul, I dont see their technique being enough for even ODI's, let alone test. And Raquibul is a forgotten name by this time. He plays ODIs as tests but can't survive long enough in tests.

Nafees is someone I am willing to give a few more chances but I am not hopeful he will bring something new to the plate. Opening may not be his right place and we can't offer him a place in the middle order.

Mushfique MUST up his game in tests because he looks to me the weakling in this test side considering his batting. I am all for Anamul as his track record in 4 days games is impressive. His T20 debut little do justice for the talent he posses.

I am still in between in Mominul's case. We desperately need a top order batsman not just in tests but all the format but should his debut happen right now, is the question.

Lastly, I would really like to see some new spinners. Sohag Gazi, Enamul jnr or arafat sunny and likes. Razzak is too inconsistent and elias sunny is too predictable.
Good and thoughtful post. I agree that both Naeem and Junaid do have something to offer for the longer version. Naeem's fighting 50 against England and his 45 against the WI when were in a free fall is still in my mind. He has the ability to really grind opposition to the ground. If he can start converting his starts in to big scores then he can really be a handy batsman for us in Tests.

I also liked Junaid in Tests in 2010. He got overlooked obviously by Tamim that year but he too made big strides in the longer version. What was very impressive about him was the way he fought against England in their own conditions. It showed he had guts and determination. Unfortunately he got overlooked by Ash and Nafees last year. In my opinion, he should be getting the nod ahead of Ash since he's showed more consistency than Ash. I mean the guy did average in the mid 30's in 2010 in both ODI's and Tests which Ash has failed to do in his career.

Even though SN was very poor in ODI's last year, he had a decent year in Tests with an average of about a 30 and 3 fifties. As he showed last year against Pakistan, once he gets comfortable at the crease, he can make it count. He just has to be more consistent and if he can, he can be a good batsman for us as an opener.

I also agree that Mushy needs to up his game. I don't see him being under pressure as of now since he's our best overall keeper batsman but it's time he starts taking his batting to a next level. He's shown that he can really bat under tough circumstances in Tests but he hasn't converted enough 50's in to 100's. I want to see him doing that more often this year.

And also Razzak as he showed last year against Zimbabwe, should be far away from the Test side, his flat deliveries is effective in the shorter versions but he's not a good option for Tests. Also disagree with you about Sunny, he did pretty well last year in Tests against WI and Pakistan. That's the type of attacking spinner we need in Tests. We should definitely give Enamul Jr. another look since he's picking up wickets at every level. Since Sohag Gazi is our only true offie that's international standard, we should be looking to develop him further so we can use him for Tests.
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i understand but i wouldnt count on Nasir as a back up. I rate Naeems bowling much higher than Nasir's. Naeem as i said is much for economical.

I think its important to have bowlers like Nasir and Naeem in the team. If our bowlers cant get wickets and there is a huge partnership building up then a bowler like Nasir and Naeem can provide a breakthrough wicket. Even the erratic Ashraful has a knack of providing breakthrough wickets.

But imo since Mushfiq is low down the order id leave him with the gloves and i would replace Dhiman with Naeem simply because he brings much more to the table.
i agree naeem is a more consistent bowler at this stage, nasir still can rip the ball and bowl magic balls though. but 5 genuine bowlers (shakib plus 4 specialists) should be enough and nasir should be a good enough back-up imo.

but in reality riyad will probably be in the team and provide some spin.
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