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Old October 8, 2012, 02:58 PM
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Old October 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
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My prediction It will never take a U turn. It will only get worse. Why? Pybus is just not into this team. He will never relocate to Dhaka with his family. His heart is in South Africa. Do you know who is into us? Richard McInnes. That's why he moved to Dhaka with his kids and family!
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Old October 8, 2012, 03:10 PM
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Time to bring back JS then. He was always in Dhaka...?

Only thing that concerns me is the contract part. Why hasn't he signed it yet? How did BCB let him in w/o a contract? How's that even possible?
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Old October 8, 2012, 03:13 PM
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You can't blame Pybus or any other professional for going where the money is. Even though it's unprofessional to do what he is doing but this actually speaks volumes about the sheer incompetence of Lotus and Bcb to "hire" a coach and have him on the job for 3/4 months without even signing a conract.
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Old October 8, 2012, 04:33 PM
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Time to bring back JS then. He was always in Dhaka...?

Only thing that concerns me is the contract part. Why hasn't he signed it yet? How did BCB let him in w/o a contract? How's that even possible?
Even a fantasy tournament was run more professionally
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Old October 8, 2012, 06:51 PM
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Can't even hold on to a coach or get him to a sign a contract. Everything about our cricket is going completely wrong, and here some people think losing to Ireland is ok because apparently at a high level we're still on the right track.
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Old October 8, 2012, 07:14 PM
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Can't even hold on to a coach or get him to a sign a contract. Everything about our cricket is going completely wrong, and here some people think losing to Ireland is ok because apparently at a high level we're still on the right track.
Thank-you for understanding. Let me show you guys a process, it might be wrong or misleading but i have to share it. Once a team starts going downhill, its hard to back up so quick. But before we can go back up, we have to stop ourselves from going downhill! What I mean is that we have to push the brakes on all this negativeness and make a stop. We cant expect to get on that track of going up, when we haven't stopped ourselves from going down. So lets have BCB cool down and think for a couple of days and then get into action. Otherwise, without professionalism, we're not gonna get away from the negative route and don't even think about taking the bus that gives you a ride in the positive road.

Much like this one: 9dont mind the number or the writings)


Watch how the line goes up,( which means the little success we got) then it keeps going downhill,(the constant failures and the unprofessionalism)then that thing takes its time and thinks very hard,( which is exactly what bcb must do to be professional) and after that, we'll have constant success, just like the graph shows!
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Old October 8, 2012, 07:26 PM
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Can't even hold on to a coach or get him to a sign a contract. Everything about our cricket is going completely wrong, and here some people think losing to Ireland is ok because apparently at a high level we're still on the right track.
When your premier batsman after losing against Netherlands and Scotland says plenty of positives you know something is not right
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Old October 8, 2012, 09:23 PM
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I wonder about the commitment, is there any? He's pro alright but can't do things whichever way esp with things involving contract issues. After the failure of Zimbabwe-SA tri series, Europe Tour, Trinidad Tour and T20 WC, he should be in Bangladesh and already should have started Training camp let alone stopping one. He should probably take matters into his own hands and start the fast bowling camp too as he was mentor of several fast bowlers back in days- Steyn, Morkel to name few. Additionally he should be doing the batting camp too and give Saqlain the freedom to run Spin camp.
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Old October 8, 2012, 11:38 PM
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From the beginning of his tenure, he looked reluctant and out of focus. He may be good manager handling big names, but when it comes to guiding and nurturing young talent like us, he seems ineffective (well so far).

Sometimes a College student can teach kids better than an PhD student. A college student may have less knowledge but knows what kids need and how effectively he can deliver.
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Old October 9, 2012, 02:26 AM
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Sri Lanka has got a good coach in Graham Ford. He is quietly going about his job. Seems to have built an effective team.

Too bad we couldnt get him. He was in BCB's shortlist. For some reason we couldnt get him
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Old October 9, 2012, 02:34 AM
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i really think pybus is a good coach, so i don't think quality of coach is an issue. but the coach needs more power when it comes to creating a better culture and infrastructure and better development facilities. of course the coach needs to stick around to do it. didn't siddons go on holiday early in his time or at an inappropriate time? seems like a lot of BD coaches do this.
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Old October 9, 2012, 04:03 AM
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i really think pybus is a good coach, so i don't think quality of coach is an issue. but the coach needs more power when it comes to creating a better culture and infrastructure and better development facilities. of course the coach needs to stick around to do it. didn't siddons go on holiday early in his time or at an inappropriate time? seems like a lot of BD coaches do this.
They probably want to get away from the harsh lifestyle or maybe the stench drives them crazy.
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Old October 9, 2012, 04:22 AM
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These holidays are problem with foreign coaches....untill unless one is settled with his family in bd....that is one of the reasons why law left...and JS did have his family over in bd during the latter stages of his tenure
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Old October 9, 2012, 04:32 AM
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imo BCB doin extra ordinary things here with contracts;

there was no contract signing with the franchises of BPL, still they managed to pay everyone and a very successful league was organised, despite few spot/match fixing allegations!
Nimbus signing was epic fail, but its still happened find our matches on tv!
without contract signing our National team head coach still agreed to spend time with the squad travelling America, Europe, Africa and with a handsome salary. inshallah Pybus will bring atleast one win over WIndies.
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Old October 9, 2012, 01:40 PM
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^ Pura Desh ta cholei kothar uporei. Everything depends on your reputation and whether you're in favor with those who are in more powerful positions than you.

In legal terms, maintaining an oral contract rather than a written one allows for parties to say things like: "apni to tokhon amar kotha bujhen nai...ami to eita bolechilam...apni oi ta tei raji hoyechilen" Even though oral contracts are supposed to be binding, its hard to prove either way without more concrete evidence.
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Old October 9, 2012, 03:09 PM
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Wasim Akram will be the best choice to replace Pybus.
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Old October 9, 2012, 07:44 PM
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Inzamamul Haq will be better.
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Old October 9, 2012, 09:15 PM
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Don't pay him salary for a month and find out if he wants to sign the contract or not.
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Old October 9, 2012, 09:23 PM
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We never hired Pybus, it was more like BCB recruited him. BCB went and said Pybus we want you. If Pybus knows he has the upper than off course he will get the most out of it. That's how they always do things. Remember that whole thing with Lance Klusner. Kamal was obsessed with Klusner for some reason, they didn't even bother looking into any other candidate until Klusner turned down the offer for good. Same thing happened when we got Stuart Law. Law was SL assistant coach at the time and he wanted the head coaching job there instead of BD. So he kept BCB on hold, and off course BCB sat around waiting until finally when SL passed off on Stuart Law. Kamal and his buddies don't know jack about how to deal with people. I think people did a better job managing their Fantasy Team than the way these guys manage our cricket.
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Old October 9, 2012, 09:34 PM
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Pybus is not the bad guy here. Guess who is. He 'signed up' with us under certain conditions (particularly relating to authority and freedom from intervention) that wasn't in the written contract offered. The usual BCB reneging on its commitment is at fault here.
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Old October 9, 2012, 10:32 PM
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Need to professionalize BCB. Need to hire a CEO with real world experience who will be given total freedom of day to day operation without MK poking at every issue and micro managing. Sometimes better to higher a foreign sports administrator than a local one. For example one of our former CEO's the Zimbabwean Macky Dudhia was a very tough, no nonsense character. No one could mess with him. I know someone who worked at BCB who told me the guy tried to root out corruption and run BCB like a full fledged corporation. Someone like that would never allow Pybus to take advantage how he did.

Of course easier said that done. A fish rots from its head. Would our supremes ever allow the CEO to function without interfering in everything. Would they even give a damn to what a specialist would suggest.

Recently Sri Lanka has appointed former ICC CEO Haroon Lorgat as a consultant to Sri Lanka cricket. He is going to play a role in professionalizing Sri Lanka Cricket, revamping domestic cricket etc. Their chiefs here are willing to listen and develop the game.
Hiring a foreign/ professional CEO is a double edge sword for BCB and Kamal. A true CEO will not let any unconditional access of people like Kamal and others into decision making without proper protocol. Everyone has and agenda and our cricket is paying the price for it.
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Old October 10, 2012, 01:19 PM
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Permit me if i may to clarify a couple of points that have been raised with out laying blame in anyone's court.

Richard Pybus and I have been working together to build a stronger system, to ensure the players in the National squad have players below them creating pressure for spots, which is what every strong national team around the world has. He has at no time ever asked me to coach the national squad. He would like me to run a High Performance program as i did previously when working under Dav.

The original schedule for the NCL had it commencing on October 14 and all players were meant to be training with their NCL teams this week, hence Richard and all other National team staff have either left for their break or are about to leave. International travel and family committments require some planning, so the constantly changing NCL schedule, should not be held against the National team staff. and With the delays in the NCL starting there have been a range of players coming to the Academy this week to train, so i have been managing facilities for them to do this and providing some coaching support if they request assistance.

Contracts always take some negotiation and negotiating is a two way street. Unfortunately the playing obligations dont wait for negotiations, so it is not uncommon for someone to actually start work here before the i's are dotted and t's crossed, it is not ideal, but it happens. Obviously there are some differences of opinion about what was agreed to and what has been presented in the contract, but lets hope they can sort it out, as Richard Pybus is a very committed and professional coach and is serious about making a difference here.

The definition of insanity is to "keep doing the same thing and expect a different result", so some aspects need to change if we want to get different results. Between the two of us we bring enough expertise and experience to understand what needs to change, and hopefully we can gain the support of the powers at be to do this and to lead BD cricket to a brighter future. The team has been ranked 9 or 10 for 10+ years now and unless there are changes, they will stay that way, regardless of who is coaching the team, as history already shows us.

Looking forward to some positive outcomes and getting focussed on improving players.

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Old October 10, 2012, 01:33 PM
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Permit me if i may to clarify a couple of points that have been raised with out laying blame in anyone's court.

Richard Pybus and I have been working together to build a stronger system, to ensure the players in the National squad have players below them creating pressure for spots, which is what every strong national team around the world has. He has at no time ever asked me to coach the national squad. He would like me to run a High Performance program as i did previously when working under Dav.

The original schedule for the NCL had it commencing on October 14 and all players were meant to be training with their NCL teams this week, hence Richard and all other National team staff have either left for their break or are about to leave. International travel and family committments require some planning, so the constantly changing NCL schedule, should not be held against the National team staff. and With the delays in the NCL starting there have been a range of players coming to the Academy this week to train, so i have been managing facilities for them to do this and providing some coaching support if they request assistance.

Contracts always take some negotiation and negotiating is a two way street. Unfortunately the playing obligations dont wait for negotiations, so it is not uncommon for someone to actually start work here before the i's are dotted and t's crossed, it is not ideal, but it happens. Obviously there are some differences of opinion about what was agreed to and what has been presented in the contract, but lets hope they can sort it out, as Richard Pybus is a very committed and professional coach and is serious about making a difference here.

The definition of insanity is to "keep doing the same thing and expect a different result", so some aspects need to change if we want to get different results. Between the two of us we bring enough expertise and experience to understand what needs to change, and hopefully we can gain the support of the powers at be to do this and to lead BD cricket to a brighter future. The team has been ranked 9 or 10 for 10+ years now and unless there are changes, they will stay that way, regardless of who is coaching the team, as history already shows us.

Looking forward to some positive outcomes and getting focussed on improving players.

Regards
Richard
Thanks Richard for the clarifications. Sometimes lack of communication/information forces the fans to guess and as you know it can get wild. But the good thing is that fans are worried about the team performance and have all the right reasons to get impatient seeing almost no progress at times. We do rate you all the international coaches very high and expect to see positive & visible changes. We are also aware of some of the problems that you face due to the systems and working procedures here. But still we (Fans) are confident that you know the ways to wok around those limitations to bring changes that matter. Thanks a lot for your post once again.

Good to see you here and would request you to be around in critical times, to help us out with information that matters to us. Eagerly waiting to see the HP unit getting under way soon ......
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Old October 10, 2012, 01:35 PM
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Good to have you back Coach. And thank you for the clarification.
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