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Old October 18, 2012, 10:13 AM
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BANFAN Siddons worked with some of the finest batsmen in the World. Enough to raise his profile

From coaching Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist, Clarke, Hussey to our boys.
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Old October 18, 2012, 10:19 AM
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Best thing for our players would be a coach like Duncan Fletcher, none of them will have to work hard. The so called star players like Tamim will get to do whatever they want. And the performances will continue to suck.. look at what happened to India, in addition to their inability to perform outside India, Fletcher is one of the biggest causes of failure. He is the type who like to sit down and let players run the show, no wonder Dhoni/ Sachin loves him
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Old October 18, 2012, 10:20 AM
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BANFAN Siddons worked with some of the finest batsmen in the World. Enough to raise his profile

From coaching Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist, Clarke, Hussey to our boys.
So he went from teaching Bill Gates/ Steve jobs to teaching Ashraful and Kayes.. lol
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Old October 18, 2012, 05:55 PM
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There are possibly two things that might work against RM

1. He hasn't even played first-class cricket and many boards would not entertain a coach, however worthy, with the full reins of a Test side that has not played the game to a professional level.

and then,

2. He is a terrific development coach and this means replacing him should he not do that role any more

It puts RM in a tough situation but the fact that the President is even talking about replacing RP is a worry tbh. Something must have gone very wrong.

I think RM could step up and try the role, but I am uncertain if the BCB would 'gamble' (no offence RM) in this way bearing in mind how long they took and the criteria they set in place for finding a replacement for Stuart Law.

The simplest way might be to re-contact the brilliant Mick Newell...
Ian,
Do you think the return on investment as a coach at the academy level is much higher and faster than the international level? What I mean by that is, most cricketers that come to the international stage are somewhat groomed, not an empty cup one might say. Tweaking their skills may be harder and a slowly process and improvement may not show appear overnight. Whereas, academy players are somewhat raw with an open mind that can be tweaked easily though with a lot of effort. If that's true; then success as a coach at the academy level definitely can be achieved much more easily than at the international level. With that in mind, judging RM by his previous success in Bangladesh could be a mistake. I know RM has done tremendous job in the past; with his intent to do well and his previous record, my heart says he will be a good coach but my brain says otherwise.
What say you?
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Old October 18, 2012, 06:39 PM
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probably a positive for RM is that he's worked with a few of the current national players in their development e.g. shakib. so they already have a relationship, i'm sure a good relationship and therefore would probably be more willing to trust him and work with him.
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Old October 19, 2012, 12:17 AM
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Default Interesting reading

It does make interesting reading, having people assess your coaching credentials, but thanks for all of your thoughts. Just a couple of points to clarify, in my 10 years coaching professionally, i have only spent 2 of those working with academy or youth type players, and they were here in bangladesh. The remaining time has been spent working with the australian mens and womens teams, with some of the best players and coaches the game has seen. Whether that makes me a suitable option if Richard P does not continue is not fr me to say, but i would propose that i do have significant international senior coaching exerience, despite not having played first class cricket.

International coaching is not a one man show and it requires a successful team of staff with a range of skills to be successful and to provide players with the various support required. If the ability to coach was based purely in playing expertise then only the great allrounders, who also kept wicket and have a human resources or management degree would be suitably qualified.

Interesting times for BD. i still hold hope that Rich P and BCB can resolve their issues and together we can build a strong program.
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Old October 19, 2012, 12:28 AM
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SMH at the members who even to this day think coaches have to be a top class international player to be a good coach.
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Old October 19, 2012, 12:30 AM
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Sometimes coaches who haven't played professionally can be terrific, yes playing professionally can give you great insights, but you can still get great coaches who haven't played at that level.
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Old October 19, 2012, 12:40 AM
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There're more crappy coaches who were pro cricketers than there're who weren't.

Great players = great coach = rickshawalla knowledge. This applies to allllll sports.
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Old October 19, 2012, 03:16 AM
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Supporting Dilscoop's point with the example of John Buchanan in cricket and Andre Villas Boas in football.
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Old October 19, 2012, 03:25 AM
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SMH at the members who even to this day think coaches have to be a top class international player to be a good coach.
Clearly a great player doesn't guarantee a great coach.

I think the point was that it is extremely rare for a non-professional cricketer (not non-international, but non-first class) to become a highly successful and respected coach.

The highest profile head coach who never played was John Buchanan. Not all agree on his personal success with the team (not the team results, as Australia were world beaters when he took over). Shane Warne had some very strong views, for example.

In most sports, Rugby, Football, Cricket, etc., the top INTERNATIONAL coaches are those who played the game to professional level at least even if they were not top internationals. In other walks of life, those who train others, usually have done that role themselves first: airline pilot trainers, barristers, etc.

It is not imperative to have done yourself, what you are teaching others, and it doesn't mean you cannot help others to be a success. It is simply extremely rare to have the highest honour as a coach when you yourself haven't experienced even the life of those you are trying to help.

I am the most open-minded coach and former player when it comes to new ideas. But a part of me feels something is missing if a head coach hasn't done it themselves - especially when everyone around them has.

There's no problem as an assistant coach, specialist coach or academy coach. But the top job at International level is different IMO.

I am happy to be wrong. I just know how players think if someone is telling them what to do who hasn't played.
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Old October 19, 2012, 03:37 AM
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BREAKING (THROUGH NTV NEWS): Richard Pybus has been relieved of his duties. Richard McInnes to take over in an interim basis. Just saw it now.
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Old October 19, 2012, 04:58 AM
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hallelujah! An eventful week this was for Bangladeshis.
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:05 AM
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I think the point was that it is extremely rare for a non-professional cricketer (not non-international, but non-first class) to become a highly successful and respected coach.

I am the most open-minded coach and former player when it comes to new ideas. But a part of me feels something is missing if a head coach hasn't done it themselves - especially when everyone around

I am happy to be wrong.
Let's just all hope Richard McInnes is one of those rare successfull ones.
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:08 AM
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Congratulations RM. Do us proud.
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:09 AM
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BREAKING (THROUGH NTV NEWS): Richard Pybus has been relieved of his duties. Richard McInnes to take over in an interim basis. Just saw it now.
uhoh!!
More drama....
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:10 AM
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BREAKING (THROUGH NTV NEWS): Richard Pybus has been relieved of his duties. Richard McInnes to take over in an interim basis. Just saw it now.
Great news.... Let RM show the difference he can make.... WI series ill be a long enough series to show it in this series. Hope he accepts the temporary role though...
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:10 AM
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Happy that it's RM though
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:18 AM
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So, I'm just wondering, has he just been "sacked"?
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:26 AM
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Haven't seen anything on any news channel or websites yet.....
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Old October 19, 2012, 05:27 AM
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Wasn't he made interim head coach once before?

edit: have been searching in the web for last half an hour, still no news. has anyone else watched the news?

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Old October 19, 2012, 06:35 AM
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Wasn't he made interim head coach once before?
I think that was S. Williams... Not RM
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Old October 19, 2012, 06:53 AM
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"I am not too confident that we can work together any longer," Kamal said. "The only time we weren't on the same page was about him bringing his family here. He couldn't convince them. He actually went to South Africa to do so this time. He wanted to go back home after every Bangladesh series but we can only let him do that one or two times."

"His kids are studying over there and I know for a fact that he has tried to convince them a few times [to move] ever since he started working here. If that doesn't happen, I don't think it can work out.

"We will decide on it at our October 18 meeting. We have already sent him a letter to come back and talk to us. But I don't think he could convince his family. We understand each other's situation.

"If he doesn't come, then also we will complete the formalities amicably. We have nothing against him and he also doesn't have any problems with us."
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/587031.html

I think it's all rumor, but based on reasonable assumptions. Anyway, it will be known after today's meeting.
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Old October 19, 2012, 08:42 AM
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And the drama continues. By the way, I think RM will be a great head coach. He seems to know our cricketing culture very well.
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Old October 19, 2012, 09:21 AM
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Let's just all hope Richard McInnes is one of those rare successfull ones.
If he gets the chance, I hope so, too.

RM is a great development coach. It would be a shame to lose him as Academy Head where he can do the most good.
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