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Old April 2, 2014, 02:55 AM
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Here is a nice write up on Herath's skills and recent match winning performance

http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t2...ry/733207.html
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Old April 2, 2014, 03:35 AM
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Arafat Sunny should be our 2nd choice specialist spinner now.
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Old April 2, 2014, 03:52 AM
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Arafat Sunny should be our 2nd choice specialist spinner now.
certainly for ODIs and should be around there for t20s as well, taijul should be looked at for t20s and tests. sajib the forever back-up, he's been playing domestics for 7 years, over 200 FC wickets, average less than 22, strike rate 45 and he's never got a sniff, instead we've given more chances to the likes of razzak and enamul jr.
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Old April 2, 2014, 06:45 AM
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The pipeline is there, but it's already leaked. Need to have some urgent repair works by Saqi.
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Old April 2, 2014, 08:46 AM
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certainly for ODIs and should be around there for t20s as well, taijul should be looked at for t20s and tests. sajib the forever back-up, he's been playing domestics for 7 years, over 200 FC wickets, average less than 22, strike rate 45 and he's never got a sniff, instead we've given more chances to the likes of razzak and enamul jr.
Spot on. We should try these players too.
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Old April 2, 2014, 08:57 AM
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What pipeline ? how many spinners we have used in the last couple of years. all of them were one series wonder. Then kapoot, and nowhere to be found. you can't keep finding 20 years olds, and chuck them out when they are 21.
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Old April 2, 2014, 04:07 PM
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What pipeline ? how many spinners we have used in the last couple of years. all of them were one series wonder. Then kapoot, and nowhere to be found. you can't keep finding 20 years olds, and chuck them out when they are 21.
who are you talking about? elias who averages 16 in his t20Is and 32 in ODIs. arafat who averages 8 from his 2 t20IS and 34 from his 4 ODIs? or sohag gazi who averages 29 from his 16 ODIs and despite his 42 average in tests already has 2 5fers and a 4fer? we gave enamul jr and razzak a few more chances in tests where both failed otherwise we were using the same general spinners we have for years (razzak and shakib mainly).

we don't even know if they are one series wonders because we haven't given them enough chances to find out but they've done well in various formats so we should look at them in their strong formats, the other thing is they haven't really had much coaching bar sohag in his first series.

they're all still around the national team except for enamul who has been given a few chances and not shone and elias who lost form and then was left behind despite showing promise.
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Old September 5, 2014, 01:41 PM
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Taijul seems to be a good find. Lovely Mohammad Rafique-ish action. Classic left arm orthodox. Good thing is if you base your bowling on flight rather than turn like Taijul is doing, you can bowl well on any type of surface. Even if the youngster doesnt pick up much wickets, this should be a terrific opportunity for him to gain some experience.

Hom is proving to be quite decent as well. Maybe we should give him a go instead of Riyad.
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Old September 5, 2014, 07:44 PM
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My experience is our spinners has always looked good against WI. Shohrawardy Shuvo, Elias Sunny comes to my mind. I would wait to rate them until they play against an Asian team.
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Old September 5, 2014, 07:44 PM
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Taijul seems to be a good find. Lovely Mohammad Rafique-ish action. Classic left arm orthodox. Good thing is if you base your bowling on flight rather than turn like Taijul is doing, you can bowl well on any type of surface. Even if the youngster doesnt pick up much wickets, this should be a terrific opportunity for him to gain some experience.

Hom is proving to be quite decent as well. Maybe we should give him a go instead of Riyad.
didn't get to see any of the match so far but agree, turn can make a spin bowler oh so dangerous but when it comes down to putting pressure on the batsman and keeping it tight it's about good line and length plus good drift and turn although a very good bonus should really be less of a concern because tbh not many spinners get enough turn to truly trouble the batsman a tremendous amount like warne, murali and macgill did.

ajmal is a good recent example of a bowler who doesn't turn it much but has weaved a terrific record, he does it with tight line and length and some drift. kumble also got 600 wickets without turning it much.

wish i had gotten to see hom. but from what i've read on here riyad was used very poorly, unless he is being used primarily as a batsman and a bowler to only turn to when the team can't buy a wicket and they've already tried everything but gone nowhere then he should be getting long spells not 1 over here 2 overs there. spinners need their long spells to get into a groove and to create pressure on a batsman.
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Old September 5, 2014, 09:51 PM
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Thats true @5tonne. Not just against West Indies, many of our spinners start well against most teams, but lose form.

But so far Taijul Islam looks very good. Lovely action, technique, release. As mentioned before relies on drift, flight, accuracy. If he doesnt take his eye of the game, continues to work hard, then we might finally have a replacement for Mohammad Rafique.

Regarding Riyad, he was horrible. He didnt know what he was doing. Bowling wide, short, all over the place. Cant fault Mushfiq for taking him out.
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Old September 5, 2014, 10:14 PM
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I only saw a little of Taijul and I liked what I saw. 2-69 on a flat track is not bad at all. Econ rate of well under 3 is excellent. Al Amin, Hom, and Taijul did an excellent job of limiting scoring opportunities. Thats how ZIM pushed SA nearly to a fifth day. Wickets will come, barring the current pair, WI aren't known for stonewalling. Our bowling sucks and we need to play within our limits to keep enforicing draws until we can consistently bowl teams out.
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Old September 6, 2014, 01:35 AM
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If Taijul is better than our average SLAs its good news for our cricket. Hope he can get few more wickets in this match and inspire the team in creating momentums.
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Old September 6, 2014, 11:19 AM
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I agree with Jeesh, he is reminiscent of Rafique. Probably turns the ball more based on CI commentary. Also quite different from Shakib so shouldn't be overkill with both in the lineup.
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Old September 9, 2014, 10:50 AM
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http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2014...-were-too-slow

Part of the reason, but i guess our batsmen struggled against him because of his height and accuracy. One might assume our batsmen should be good against SLA considering we have an army of them in domestic cricket. But we dont have ones who are 6 and a half feet. Benn was not only getting more bounce, he was turning the ball a lot more than our guys.

Seems like Taijul's bowling is more about loop, flight and accuracy. But he needs to figure out how to extract more turn. Accuracy is good, but you are at the mercy of batsmen. You have to wait for them to make a mistake. But if you can get the ball to turn and bounce like say Rangana Herath, wickets will come even against the most organized batsmen.
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