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Old October 23, 2012, 02:36 AM
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Wink 14 XI after 1st round

Pick your starting 14 after the first round. Lets see how many of you guys are consistent in maintaining your squad. This way, we will know who are just randomly shouting names and who knows what they are saying.

For me, I dont want a big change for the test series. I hate to see big changes for test squad specially when we are so bad at it. I think the proper way to get better is create a stable squad.

The Must ins

1) Tamim
2) Shakib
3) Mushy
4) Rubel

The ones who deserve to make the squad

5) Sunny
6) Nasir
7) Nazmul
8) Riyad

The ones that can be given a chance based on their form or last appearance

9) Naeem Islam
10) Enamul Huq Jnr
11) Nazimuddin
12) Shahriar Nafees

The ones that should be included to get under the national pool and get in touch with our coaches for future occasions but not actually tested for the current tour

13) Mominul Haque
14) Shohag Gazi

I believe in a 2 seamer attack at home. Nazmul-Rubel is the best combination. Nazmul can produce some chances early and Rubel can bring reverse swing later. Both are completely different bowlers and together they can unsettle the batting pair. If one gets injured than bring in Shahadat or Syed Rasel. yes I would rather go with Rasel than Shafiul. I hate the speed that has no control

Finally, The ones that will be under the radar from now on outside the 14 will be, Marshall Ayub, Taskin Ahmed, Saqlain Sajib

Lets see If I can maintain my squad
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Old October 23, 2012, 02:40 AM
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^Not to forget Taskin. He's been very impressive so far...
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Old October 23, 2012, 02:46 AM
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1 tamim
2 anamul
3 mominul
4 nasir
5 shakib
6 mushy
7 dhiman
8 sohag
9 sunny
10 rubel
11 nazmul
12 naeem
13 enamul
14 shafiul/nazimuddin
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^Not to forget Taskin. He's been very impressive so far...
I did mention him... read above
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Old October 23, 2012, 03:16 AM
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1. Tamim Iqbal (95%)
2. Anamul Haque (50%)
3. Mominul Haque (50%)
4. Shakib Al Hasan (100%)
5. Nasir Hossain (90%)
6. Mushfiqur Rahim (80%)
7. Naeem Islam (60%)
8. Sohag Gazi (50%) [For batting depth instead of Elias Sunny]
9. Enamul Haque (Jr.) (75%)
10. Rubel Hossain (90%)
11. Nazmul Hossain (55%)
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12. Elias Sunny (70%)
13. Mahmudullah Riyad (40%)
14. Mohammad Nazimuddin (40%)
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I highly doubt Nazmul will get a chance given how the selectors are so happy to ignore him time and again.
I would be happy if we go with Nazmul, Rubel, Shohag Gazi and Enamul Jr. as the bowlers to support Shakib. We shouldn't allow heavy workload on Shakib with the ball given his fitness and the need for operation.
In terms of performance Naeem now has done everything possible to get called in i suppose.
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1 Tamim
2 SS
3 Naeem
4 Shakib
5 Mushy
6 Nasir
7 marshall (lb)
8 gazi (ob)
9 Enamul jnr (l)
10 Rubel
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Old October 23, 2012, 10:19 AM
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1 Tamim
2 SS
3 Naeem
4 Shakib
5 Mushy
6 Nasir
7 marshall (lb)
8 gazi (ob)
9 Enamul jnr (l)
10 Rubel
11 SRK
Welcome back. It's been a while since you posted.....
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Old October 23, 2012, 10:28 AM
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I highly doubt Nazmul will get a chance given how the selectors are so happy to ignore him time and again.
I would be happy if we go with Nazmul, Rubel, Shohag Gazi and Enamul Jr. as the bowlers to support Shakib. We shouldn't allow heavy workload on Shakib with the ball given his fitness and the need for operation.
In terms of performance Naeem now has done everything possible to get called in i suppose.
I think you are taking it in the wrong direction.

Firstly, other bowlers should not be there to support Shakib, rather everyone should have their own role and perform according to that. Well, let the team decide what role who plays to take 20 wickets. Everyone should be part of a plan.

Secondly, Shakib needs an operation, doesn't really mean that he is in some sort of pain or his fitness is low. As I understand, it's a preventive operation to avoid future complications. If his fitness is not 100% he shouldn't play, it's as simple as that. We don't like to turn into a one man team, even psychologically. That makes a lame duck team. And that risks Shakibs health further. A player is more important than a series. He plays, only if he is fit.

Well, Shakib may be the best performer, but we expect upcoming players to challenge that and out perform Shakib. That's how they lift their performance. Every player must know that they are expected to excel and outperform the current best players by their own merit. So lets not make them second class. That lowers the expectation and he knows you expect less than Shakib from him. That's not healthy.

Shakib's bowling has been a concern lately, hope he gets back his form in home conditions and we have a formidable team to face the WI team in the test series, it's nt the job of one or two guys, everyone must have the freedom to excel, if you like to win against them.
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Old October 23, 2012, 10:34 AM
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1) Tamim
2) Shakib
3) Mushy
4) Rubel
5) Sunny
6) Nasir
7) Nazmul/Shafiul
8) Riyad
9) Naeem Islam
10) Enamul Huq Jnr
11) Nazimuddin
12) Shohag Gazi
13) Mominul Haque
14) Shafiul/Shahadat
15) Marshal Ayub

This should be the 15 for me..... Mostly the same team as the OP
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Old October 23, 2012, 10:49 AM
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14 or XI?

Rubel and Nazmul are the only FBs that make the cut. Which is sad and risky, because what if one of them gets injured? Gayle will go mental on Shafiul, Abul and SRK.

I say unleash the SLAs, go all out SLA attack. Shakib, Elias, Enam. Put Gazi in the 14 as an option for variation.

Naeem should play - he's done enough, especially when his competition includes all quadruple face-palm-worthy non-batsmen.

All in all, pathetic line up no matter who you pick. On top of that, Jurgensen will make sure our batsmen turn into Shafiuls and Abuls overnight (not that they are much better to begin with anyways).

There shall be bloodshed on the pitches of Bangladesh and it ain't gonna be no WI blood.
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Old October 23, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Lets hold back on Mominul for a bit longer. He might be better than some of our NT batsmen, but let him play a bit more FC and A Team cricket before we put him in the test or ODI team. Look at our history, we ve often introduced talented young batsmen too early. Because they cant adjust to the requirement of international standard cricket their mindset/confidence takes a blow, and we all know what happens after that. Not sure even Gazi is ready.

Will be surprised to see selectors springing any major changes.
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Old October 23, 2012, 11:04 AM
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If I was the selector, this would have been my 14 man squad gor WI Testt series:

1)Mushy
2) Tamim
3) Shakib
4) Nasir
5) Rubel
6) Riyad(VC-cough cough)
7) Enamul jr
8) Nayeem
9) nazimuddin (based on his last test series)
10) Mominul
11) Elias sunny
12) Sohag Gazi
13) Nazmul Hossain
14) Taskin

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If I was the captain/coach/ member of team mngment, this would be my 11 for the first test.


1) Tamim
2) Nazimuddin
3) Mominul
4) Nayeem
5) Shakib
6) Mushy
7) Nasir
8) Gazi
9) Rubel
10) Nazmul
11) Enamul jr.


I personally don't rate sunny, Specially against leftie and WI have 3/4 LH batsmans in their team thus I have Gazi,who is not too bad with the bat either. Enamul deserve a palace in the XI!!!

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This was my 14 and my XI before Ayub got his double. I would still go with the same team and the XI. Let Ayub score more runs
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Old October 23, 2012, 11:05 AM
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Here is my playing XI

1. Tamim
2. Nazim
3. Mominul/SN
4. Shakib
5. Mushy
6. Naeem
7. Riyad
8. Nasir
9. Enam jnr
10. Rubel
11. Nazmul

2 seamers - Rubel, Nazmul
2 SLAs- Shakib, Enam
2 offie - Riyad, Naeem

Batting deep (1-8)

That's the best we can do.
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Lets hold back on Mominul for a bit longer. He might be better than some of our NT batsmen, but let him play a bit more FC and A Team cricket before we put him in the test or ODI team. Look at our history, we ve often introduced talented young batsmen too early. Because they cant adjust to the requirement of international standard cricket their mindset/confidence takes a blow, and we all know what happens after that. Not sure even Gazi is ready.

Will be surprised to see selectors springing any major changes.
Agree about Mominul. The goal is to create players that are much better than the current bunch - that's the way to advance, even if it means that we forgo short term benefits. Let Mominul play more A team games and train with the Academy coach so that when he does start with the NT, his career doesn't die like the Nafeeses and Mofeezes that give us so much pain.
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Lets hold back on Mominul for a bit longer. He might be better than some of our NT batsmen, but let him play a bit more FC and A Team cricket before we put him in the test or ODI team. Look at our history, we ve often introduced talented young batsmen too early. Because they cant adjust to the requirement of international standard cricket their mindset/confidence takes a blow, and we all know what happens after that. Not sure even Gazi is ready.

Will be surprised to see selectors springing any major changes.
Agree to that completely. Same is applicable for Anamul.

We need variation with bowlers more. So that we can use different options to take 20 wickets. Batting wise probably it won't make much difference whomever you take. We need a solid bowling attack. So, taking inform bowlers is very importan,. Shohag, should be in the team IMO, along with Shakib, Enamul, Sunny, Riyad, Nayeem, Rubel, SRK ... Will make a good attack.that will be a strong batting side as well.
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Here is my playing XI

1. Tamim
2. Nazim
3. Mominul/SN
4. Shakib
5. Mushy
6. Naeem
7. Riyad
8. Nasir
9. Enam jnr
10. Rubel
11. Nazmul

2 seamers - Rubel, Nazmul
2 SLAs- Shakib, Enam
2 offie - Riyad, Naeem

Batting deep (1-8)

That's the best we can do.

this is what i would do:

1. Tamim
2. Nazim
3. Naeem
4. Shakib
5. Mushy
6. Riyad
7. Nasir
8. Shohag Gazi
9. Enam jnr
10. Rubel
11. Nazmul

remember, Shakib needs an operation soon, so having an extra off spinner like Gazi won't be such a bad idea after all...
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Why is everyone dropping Sunny?
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Why is everyone dropping Sunny?
my thoughts to. everyone has seen what enamul has done recently and decided to pick him over sunny, even before sohag got his 7fer and century people were dropping sunny and playing enamul as the 2nd spinner with no 3rd spinner, now sunny is being dropped behind both enamul and sohag.

sunny has been good so far, no reason to drop him, he's performed well over all formats he's played internationally so it's harsh to drop him for enamul who might be in form but has had a lot of chances internationally already and not been consistent.

but if people really want sohag can be the #7, and if only 2 pacers are selected then we can have 4 spinners including shakib (shakib, sunny, enamul, sohag).
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Guys, it was Sunny who gave Windies trouble last time around right
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Lets hold back on Mominul for a bit longer. He might be better than some of our NT batsmen, but let him play a bit more FC and A Team cricket before we put him in the test or ODI team. Look at our history, we ve often introduced talented young batsmen too early. Because they cant adjust to the requirement of international standard cricket their mindset/confidence takes a blow, and we all know what happens after that. Not sure even Gazi is ready.

Will be surprised to see selectors springing any major changes.
Thank you... best post I think
The process of " prospect- temporary shine- debut- pressure-failure-dropped-ignored" need to be stopped. Mominul, Anamul, Gazi, Babu, Taskin, Soumya will make the future squads. I would say give them another 2-3 years. We have enough players to keep running the way it is. We cant really expect to bring young players and suddenly turn Bangladesh into Australia.
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Thank you... best post I think
The process of " prospect- temporary shine- debut- pressure-failure-dropped-ignored" need to be stopped. Mominul, Anamul, Gazi, Babu, Taskin, Soumya will make the future squads. I would say give them another 2-3 years. We have enough players to keep running the way it is. We cant really expect to bring young players and suddenly turn Bangladesh into Australia.
It's easy to fast track a bowler than a batsman. They adjust faster than batsmen.
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just a comparison on anamul and mominul when it comes to selection, even if it's just to be in the squad and not play. anamul has played more domestic matches in all 3 formats, he's played 5 more FC matches than mominul he has a better average by 7 (anamul 40 mominul 33) he has more tons (anamul 5 mominul 2) he has more half tons (anamul 5 mominul 4). i realise mominul has a big ton in A team cricket but he's also got more chances than anamul in A team cricket. so as far as being selected to just be in the squad and be around the national team then i think anamul has more claims for that than mominul does. i however think both players should be in the squad, both are developing nicely, both are overcoming the challenges put in front of them and i think mentally both are strong enough and want it enough to succeed at the highest level.

from a squad/team standpoint i think the inclusion of these 2 players will improve the overall attitude of the squad/team, they want to be winners and are willing to work for it and they actually perform.
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One reason why our batting is reasonably good these days is because we have three batsmen who are dependable run scorers. All three are capable of scoring against any type of opposition in any type of wicket and situation. And these three are capable of easily averaging over 30 in ODI's and Tests (Which they do btw) which is quire a rare feat for Bangladeshi batsmen. I am talking abt Tamim, Shakib and Nasir. Because of these three now we can confidently say we can score over 200 in ODI's and 300 in a test innings. This wasnt always the case with the Habibul Bashars and Ashrafuls.

The addition of Anamul Haque and Mominul will be a huge milestone in the history of Bangladeshi cricket. Because like Tamim, Shakib and Nasir-Anamul and Mominul are batsmen capable of scoring a lot of runs for us consistently. Even now they are probably better than our current crop (Jahurul Islam, Imrul Kayes, Junaid Siddiqui, Raqibul Hasan). I reckon they too can easily become 30 plus average batsmen. Never before in our history have we had 5 such batsmen playing in the same team. Can you imagine the impact?

But heres the thing. One could say the same about Nafis Iqbal, Shahriar Nafees, Ashraful, Raqibul Hasan when they started. All of them were extremely talented, did well in FC, even did well for the NT when they started. But somewhere something went wrong. We have to make sure this something doesnt go wrong with Anamul and Moninul as well. Best precaution we can take is to go a little slow. Let them work with McIness. Let them score more runs in FC, A Team matches, BPL. Let them earn their spot. I have no doubt they will be an improvement over our current batsmen. But lets not be hasty and let us not allow history to repeat itself all over again. These two are very special talents-lets groom them, train them before pushing them into the deep end of the ocean. Once they drown, theres no coming back
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One reason why our batting is reasonably good these days is because we have three batsmen who are dependable run scorers. All three are capable of scoring against any type of opposition in any type of wicket and situation. And these three are capable of easily averaging over 30 in ODI's and Tests (Which they do btw) which is quire a rare feat for Bangladeshi batsmen. I am talking abt Tamim, Shakib and Nasir. Because of these three now we can confidently say we can score over 200 in ODI's and 300 in a test innings. This wasnt always the case with the Habibul Bashars and Ashrafuls.

The addition of Anamul Haque and Mominul will be a huge milestone in the history of Bangladeshi cricket. Because like Tamim, Shakib and Nasir-Anamul and Mominul are batsmen capable of scoring a lot of runs for us consistently. Even now they are probably better than our current crop (Jahurul Islam, Imrul Kayes, Junaid Siddiqui, Raqibul Hasan). I reckon they too can easily become 30 plus average batsmen. Never before in our history have we had 5 such batsmen playing in the same team. Can you imagine the impact?

But heres the thing. One could say the same about Nafis Iqbal, Shahriar Nafees, Ashraful, Raqibul Hasan when they started. All of them were extremely talented, did well in FC, even did well for the NT when they started. But somewhere something went wrong. We have to make sure this something doesnt go wrong with Anamul and Moninul as well. Best precaution we can take is to go a little slow. Let them work with McIness. Let them score more runs in FC, A Team matches, BPL. Let them earn their spot. I have no doubt they will be an improvement over our current batsmen. But lets not be hasty and let us not allow history to repeat itself all over again. These two are very special talents-lets groom them, train them before pushing them into the deep end of the ocean. Once they drown, theres no coming back
While I agree with you wholeheartedly, I would like to add that Anamul (if not Mominul) has shown that he is ready for the Internatonal stage. None among Shahriar Nafees, Raqibul Hasan and Mohammad Ashraful averaged more than 35 at any stage of their career in First Class cricket. My only concern is Anamul's present dip in form. Hopefully he will make his way out soon.
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