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Old December 2, 2012, 11:57 AM
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Default What's the big difference?

Between test and ODI. Specially for our bowling. In one format you can't get any wicket and in other they are like a dollar a dozen. Pitch? If yes, why make it like that? What else? I know its easy to enjoy and forget, but we are better off asking them now than later.
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Old December 2, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Big Big Difference.

First, the red cherry and the white ball act very differently. It's difficult for the spinners to spin the ball with the fresh red ball.

Second, bowlers (specifically spinners) can afford to be defensive. In ODI's two maiden means a definite chance of a wicket, but in Tests, 10 maidens mean nothing if the pressure isn't kept up.

And lastly, the mind set of both bowlers and batsmen are very different in ODI and in Tests. A bowler must pace himself in tests because there's a good chance he may have to bowl a marathon spell. But in ODI's, a bowler can over exert himself. This is specially applicable for pacers, but also has relevance for spinners.

In our case though, I think our bowlers haven't yet mastered the waiting game of tests. But they are much more comfortable in colored gear. Hence the apparent dichotomy in their performances. Keep in mind though, that our bowlers have also produced plenty of insipid performances in the ODIs just a few years back. So I think our bowlers will become better bowlers in tests with more exposure.
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Old December 2, 2012, 01:12 PM
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^ Plus our captains usually have a defensive field set up a lot of the time, which doesn't help the bowlers at all. In Test you can't worry too much about the fact that they are scoring runs too quickly. Off course it's something to think about, but setting up ODI like field makes it easy for batsman's to just pick up singles and doubles and pick up occasional boundary. If we had a much more attacking field set up, WI batsman would have tried to take advantage of the field set up and try to play over the fielder's head, which gives us a better chance to pick up wickets. Also when you dry out singles sometimes it puts pressure on the batsman to do something different and end up gifting his wicket away.
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Old December 2, 2012, 01:12 PM
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Between test and ODI. Specially for our bowling. In one format you can't get any wicket and in other they are like a dollar a dozen. Pitch? If yes, why make it like that? What else? I know its easy to enjoy and forget, but we are better off asking them now than later.
Poor team selection is a HUGE factor for test cricket IMHO>

And of course, we are not tough enough to play test due to lack of practice in longer version cricket.
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Old December 2, 2012, 01:17 PM
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for test I personally think we are lacking some quality good fast bowler, and off course batting wise poor team selection letting us down.
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Old December 2, 2012, 08:37 PM
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Big difference?

Mainly the rookies. Plus the role of mashrsafee. In top of that performance by experienced players like Rahim, Razzak, Tamim and Naeem.

But the big difference is the rookies: two of them got two MOM.

The selectors were brave and tried to bring something new, and they were rewarded.
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Old December 2, 2012, 09:57 PM
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The catches baby, the catches!

Drop catches, lose matches.

Catches win matches.

Drop Gayle, plan to fail.
Take Gayle, be on the winning trail.

Catches,catches and catches. Never drop them.
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Big difference?

Mainly the rookies. Plus the role of mashrsafee. In top of that performance by experienced players like Rahim, Razzak, Tamim and Naeem.

But the big difference is the rookies: two of them got two MOM.

The selectors were brave and tried to bring something new, and they were rewarded.
Spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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-More spin friendly pitch
-Added pressure to score runs quickly due to shorter format
-addition of youngsters as well as experienced heads
-familiar format
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:32 PM
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Big difference?

Mainly the rookies. Plus the role of mashrsafee. In top of that performance by experienced players like Rahim, Razzak, Tamim and Naeem.

But the big difference is the rookies: two of them got two MOM.

The selectors were brave and tried to bring something new, and they were rewarded.
Well said. The squad looks very balanced now and no real dead woods which is making the difference
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:33 PM
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I think WI fast bowling was preety ordinary. rampaul got a 5 fer but we still scored close to 300. Also their team selection is questionable. Not sure why Chandu and ramdin not in the team. looking at them in test series they were very confident playing on this condition. They should have also kept Edward in the team. This Bangladesh team is a very good one day side. we have enough oneday experience to win games. we won some big numbers this year. Another point could be the batting strike rate. Even in last two test our batting strike rate was very good comparing WI defenssive gameplan. I think WI batsmen are still struggling to comeout from the defenssive mindset. every time they trid to acclerate their score they got out cheaply. AND of course the rookies are playing positively.
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Old December 2, 2012, 11:35 PM
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In test both SN and JS were vulnerable to short bouncy balls , so Tino and Edwards were very much successful. Both Anamul and Mominul are solid to handle the short deliveries .
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Difference:
1. Team selection: WI left out good batsman and bowlers in their ODI team for bit & pieces players. Whereas bangladesh gained some solid batsman in their team selection.

2. Format: Bangladeshi batsman are comfortable batting in ODI style, so even in test matches they cannot switch gear as they still bat in ODI style. WI has better batsman for test format.

3. Bowler: we lack strike bowlers who can produce wicket taking deliveries. Instead we have to wait for the opposition to make a mistake.

4. As for white ball, does it help spinners compared to the traditional red ball... I don't know.
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Old December 3, 2012, 04:38 AM
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If you see all the wickets taken by spinners in the first 2 ODI's, you will see its mostly batsmen making mistakes rather than our bowlers forcing errors. They get frustrated and either get caught or are trapped in front because of poor footwork. This is something we have mastered over the years-from Rafique's days. Prevent singles, boundaries, put pressure and then make the batsman do sth stupid. Works wonders particularly in low bounce wickets, against batsmen with average footwork.

Now in tests its a different story. 3 or 4 dot balls wont make a difference. The bowler needs to keep the batsman in check for a longer time. But what happens with guys like Razzak is they will bowl in a good length for 4-5 balls. But because they lack patience or familiary with the longer version instead of putting the batsman under pressure they themselves will get into pressure. They ll decide ok let me try something different with the 6th ball. So he tosses it up or bowls it short and gets whacked for 4. He then has to start all over again. Also in the longer version the spinners need to be able to attack, instead of waiting for the batsmen to make mistakes. Very few of our spinners do so.

We are blaming the selectors, players for the test defeats. But the curator also needs a bit of rebuking. Both in Khulna and Dhaka they prepared tracks which didnt have much turn. They were probably worried Narine will get more out of it than our spinners-the defensive, defeatist mentality. When we are playing at home, we have to make wickets that suit our players. Windies wont make tracks for us with less bounce. We need to have tracks which turn from day 2, and where day 4 and 5 are very difficult to bat due to turn and unpredictable bounce. Flat track-we wont win, even we ll struggle against Zimbabwe and Ireland.
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