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Old November 23, 2012, 06:02 AM
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Default Strategic error of BD by making flat pitches in tests rather than making spinning ones?

I think Bd made strategic error by not making spinning track in fear of Narine & co.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:07 AM
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its lack of ability all around, be it pace friendly wickets or spin friendly. At least by making road blocks they are stretching it to the 5th day.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:08 AM
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Bangladesh's best bet is to create wickets like they did during that New Zealand tour, where its hard to score 200 in ODI's. The ball wasnt coming on to the bat, and the bounce was very uneven. Thats the kind of surface our SLA's are most dangerous as footwork of batsmen is vital. Instead we ve made a flat pitch probably with the fear Narine will destroy us like you say. Wicket aside, no point playing only with Gazi. Lets not forget Gazi is just a youngster with a lot to learn. Someone wily like Razzak, Enamul playing alongside could have made a slight difference.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:12 AM
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Exactly! flat decks in test matches are unsporting and why on earth do they want to stretch matches to 5th day instead of drawing or winning? this is not a team that can deserve test status prepare spinning tracks so that both are having a true battle be positive rather than negative. The Sri Lanka-New Zealand test match the other day produced a result in quicktime and it was an interesting contest where both sides had a chance of winning by producing a turning track. Spin is supposed to be our strength and preparing these silly flat decks will cause a lot of burden and injury to our players considering how much effort they need to put in. This is damaging not just physically but mentally they need to be sporting.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:14 AM
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India played only 1 pacer against England. Why don't we do the same. Play in a dustbowl and bring Sunny instead of a pacer. We've got much higher chance of taking 20 wickets.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:16 AM
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Also flat decks in test matches will always allow the opposition to score big gifting scores which is just embarrassing for us when you look up records saying AGAINST BANGLADESH YEAR ???? can't take it why are they scared?
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:20 AM
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Can't really expect anything else from a bunch of retards. They're nothing but par'har kiriket matbbors making decisions in a test playing nation. Just look at our results over the past 12 years. Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results is either insanity or panoramic retardation. I think it's the latter in our case.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:25 AM
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India played only 1 pacer against England. Why don't we do the same. Play in a dustbowl and bring Sunny instead of a pacer. We've got much higher chance of taking 20 wickets.
Yeah thats what i dont understand. Our selectors think playing two pacers will make a difference.
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Old November 23, 2012, 04:55 PM
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Bangladesh's best bet is to create wickets like they did during that New Zealand tour, where its hard to score 200 in ODI's. The ball wasnt coming on to the bat, and the bounce was very uneven. Thats the kind of surface our SLA's are most dangerous as footwork of batsmen is vital. Instead we ve made a flat pitch probably with the fear Narine will destroy us like you say. Wicket aside, no point playing only with Gazi. Lets not forget Gazi is just a youngster with a lot to learn. Someone wily like Razzak, Enamul playing alongside could have made a slight difference.
I agree. The management has been royally messing up. We dont play to our strengths (spin) and instead play according to some preconceived misconception. Even bcci is laying out turners. I understand the fear of narine but you have got to back your own strengths. Otherwise dont play the game.

I"m very frustrated right now and increasingly of the belief that Bengalis are a groul who dont care to help themselves. There is no other explanation for such "panoramic retardation."
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Old November 23, 2012, 05:05 PM
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Agree to OP...there are number of major strategic errors made by BD, infact they didn't have any strategy to win the series...IMO we should have gone for atleast following:

1. Prepare Slow and turning pitches like it was during NZ series.
2. Take an additional Spin bowler in the final 11 and go with 4 specialist bowlers, excluding Shakib,
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Old November 23, 2012, 05:11 PM
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Bangladesh are nicknamed as the 'Tigers' but not preparing spinning tracks simply because of the fear of Narine is beyond my belief. He's no Ajmal plus Bangladesh are far better at playing spin then pace so they made a big mistake and if this is the mindset from now on then in future tests, more big 100s double 100s will be scored against us. Play to your strengths no wonder fans of other teams label us as Cats meow.
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Old November 23, 2012, 05:35 PM
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it all depends on the goal for the series and matches. if they're looking to draw i.e. not lose then flat decks are advantageous. but if they're looking to win then there is no better way to create a pitch than to create one that accepts and emphasises the teams own strengths.

i think possibly whoever decides on how to prepare the pitches is trying to be smart. i think in this series they were trying to eliminate WI's strengths, the problem with that is that WI's strengths (spin) are also BD's strengths. so by preparing flat decks they've basically elimnated any hope BD has of winning.
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Old November 23, 2012, 05:41 PM
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lol prepare bouncy tracks so bowlers like Shahadat can actually get wickets.
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Old November 23, 2012, 05:45 PM
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lol prepare bouncy tracks so bowlers like Shahadat can actually get wickets.
do the pacers know how to take wickets even on bouncy tracks? they never get to play on them....obviously bouncy tracks would help the pacers, but a spinners wicket is probably the best way for BD to go....
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:26 PM
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do the pacers know how to take wickets even on bouncy tracks? they never get to play on them....obviously bouncy tracks would help the pacers, but a spinners wicket is probably the best way for BD to go....
I think we should keep the pitch flat so we can see Rubel rack up a century.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:36 PM
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Don't blame the pitch. Edwards picked up 6 wickets on the same pitch. Pitch is great for batting, and we batted 2 session less than we should've. Blame the batsmen, not the pitch. Their batsmen scored the same amount of runs in 115 overs with only loss of 2 wickets. And we got bowled out for 90 overs. Real problem lies there, not the pitch.

Also we have to tendency to go on "won the game" mode and relax after picking up a wicket or putting up a decent partnership. They're yet to learn it's a 5 day long game.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:39 PM
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Also, if Tino Best recked up a 100 at number 10 we'd have given up. The whole time we would've been thinking about what it could've been if we'd got him out and bowled them out under 200. "Issshhirayyy!" They forgot about the whole thing and batted and bored everyone to death.
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Old November 23, 2012, 08:10 PM
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If the pitches have been planned to draw the test matches, that doesn't show in the way team plays....they should have been playing for time ... But what we have seen so far is opposite. Even the guys who had a slow start in 1st innings of first test, they all started or tried to make quick runs, including Naeem.... So I really don't think that they had any plan....just go in and play on whatever the curator gives....could have been the only plan...
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Old November 23, 2012, 08:39 PM
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Does our groundsmen know how to prepare pitches ? I mean do they know the science behind it all .. what gives a bouncy pitch, what gives a flat bed , etc. ?


I doubt it.
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1-0 down in the series, we should have taken a gamble and prepared a rank turner for this test knowing that is the only way we would be able to take 20 wkts. Instead we chose slow and humiliating death
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Old November 23, 2012, 10:32 PM
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I think we give our groundsmen way to much credit. Whilst their always-hands-off supervisor may be an educated shaheb, guys doing the actual work are semi-literate and disinterested government malis. They know how to make only flat tracks but they don't know what kind of flat track they're making. Getting these stoners to make a spinning track that'll grip the ball, generate bounce, and produce the opportunity for awkward movement as the pitch deteriorates into roughs and cracks, is simply unrealistic. We make these tracks because we don't know how to make anything else. That being said, accidents do happen every now and then.
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Does our groundsmen know how to prepare pitches ? I mean do they know the science behind it all .. what gives a bouncy pitch, what gives a flat bed , etc. ?


I doubt it.
If thy don't know, why do we hire curators from Srilanka and other test nations without confirming their experiences...
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Old November 24, 2012, 12:21 AM
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Who has the final say in how a pitch is to be prepared?
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Old November 24, 2012, 01:27 AM
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4th proves it could have been an exciting test match had there been some assistance for our bowlers
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