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Old July 30, 2015, 07:00 PM
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Default Bangladesh to [Possibly] Lose Test Status [Again]: A Harbinger of Things to Come...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...ry/904507.html

ICC led by Big 3 seem to be creating noise again about the fundemental structure of the ICC/FTP. They've already got all the money, not sure why they're so worried about us small fries "not making enough money".

All this points to a very logical answer that maybe the Big 3 are slowly realizing: int'l cricket needs more equality to establish context. A real league system for Tests would bring interest back. Very simple model following NFL/NBA:

All teams play each other home and away in Tests/ODIs/T20Is. All teams play equal number of games - iconic series like Ashes may or may not be retained. Then have a championship at the conclusion of a cycle. Cycles can be every 2,3 or 4 years. ODI and T20 world cups would remain as is.

The ICC would negotiate the broadcast deals as a whole for all nations involved, including Associates/World Cup Qualifiers. Then, each country would get their share according to the current contribution factor formula so BCCI can steal 70% by themselves.

This is a system that would work and maybe the Big 3/ICC is finally realizing that.
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Old July 30, 2015, 08:24 PM
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Bangladesh will never lose test status man, relax....

Anyway, a league system is badly needed and can certainly work.

ODI's.

12 teams, cycle lasts 2 years. Lets say theoretically it starts 1 Jan 2018-Jan 31 2020. Bottom two after 2 years play a quadrangular series with the top 2 WCL Division 1 sides in the UAE. All 4 sides play each other twice. Top 2 sides of this quadrangular get promoted, bottom 2 stay/are relegated in WCL Division 1. Full member status is not under threat, so if, for example Zimbabwe get relegated they keep their funding and status, but must play in the WCL division 1. Not totally fair but this concept has to be realistic plus its unfair for a board to go from 50 mill to 5 in one year.

As for the league itself, it lasts 2 years. Every team plays each other once in this period, half their series at home half away. With 11 opponents this means you may have one more away series than home but this can be balanced out in the next cycle with one extra home series then,

So, for example, Bangladesh's 2 year cycle could be...

Ireland
Zimbabwe
England
India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan

all away from home, with

South Africa
Pakistan
West Indies
New Zealand
Australia

at home. each side should aim to have 3 home series per summer.

Top team after Jan 31 2020 win the ODI Cup or whatever name you wish to call it, get a big cash bonus.

You can tie in the WC qualifying here too. eg, WC will start around May 2019 in England yes? Have it so the teams in the top 8 on Feb 28 2019 qualify for the WC. The bottom 4 then play the top 4 of the WCL in a qualifying event with 4 sides making it to a 12 team WC (2 groups of 6 followed by a super 6 stage and final). Also have it so the top 8 sides, in this 2 month period where their qualification is secured, can arrange series for experimentation purposes prior to the WC, in other words ranking points wont be at stake and they can play who they please for this brief period. After the WC ends things return to normal.

Points can be as follows

4 - you clean sweep a series
3- you win a series
2- you tie a series
1- you win a game but lose the series
0- you get whitewashed.

As well as this, basing results on a series results basis benefits the Big 3. They can still have 5 plus game ODI series vs each other to milk cash, no problem as now results will actually matter. They can also minimise the length of low key series like for e.g. India vs Ireland could be a 3 game series. (series must have a minimum of 3 games btw).

If in the event a full member is relegated they can still invite and play top sides, but they obviously wont have any relevance to either sides league standings as they'll be in different leagues.

For Champions Trophy make it so the Top 8 a month prior to it starting qualify.

After a cycle finishes take a 3 month gap from the league (teams can play each other if they wish) so it doesnt just run endlessly.

Thoughts?

For t20's its similar. Teams can add t20's to the tour after the ODI's. Unlike ODI's though every series must be 3 games and points will be awarded like in football, 3 pts for win, 1 pt for draw, 1 pt for no result. Top side on 31 Jan 2020 win the t20 cup and some cash plus a trophy.

Lastly the t20 WC will be a proper event, 16 teams 4 groups of 4. Bottom 2 of the league at a cut off point join the t20 qualifier which runs as it currently does, top 10 league teams qualify.

Thoughts?

As for tests, I see no way whatsoever they can have a league system, they just last way too long.

Point is in my system iconic series can still happen, but the ODI branches will take on much more significance and every side is guaranteed games vs the big guns, likewise the big guns guarantee games vs each other and play each other every 2 years. Seems fair IMHO.
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Old July 30, 2015, 09:20 PM
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Not a bad idea. I think use 4 year cycle for ODIs with the WC serving as the "playoffs". In fact, if 12 teams are in the ODI league (I think you can add 14 as Scotland looks a very decent side now and gives potential exposure in future to the likes of PNG, Nepal, etc). So imagine a 14 team league running for 3.5 years with all teams playing 50-60 games. Then say the top 8 play in the WC in a round robin format + semis + final. Bottom 4 would miss out on WC, but they'd gain exposure by playing big teams regularly, which is in the long run more important, IMO. Plus, if the ICC consolidates all its revenue into a single deal teams like BD or IRE, for example, won't see any change to their revenue regardless of whether they are in the 8 team WC or not. This way, Big 3 has an incentive - ie making something elite.

I think Test league is feasible...again remember the broadcast deal is bundled to that of ODI and T20 (could even throw IPL/CPL/BBL in there to milk it). Could have 12 Test teams in 2 seperate divisions and play 1 home/away series of 2-3 Tests vs each team. Points would be divided by matches (like current system) so no disadvantage to teams who play less Tests.

Div 1
South Africa (1)
Afghanistan (12)
Pakistan(4)
Bangladesh (9)
India (5)
West Indies (8)


Div 2
Australia (2)
Ireland (11)
New Zealand (3)
Zimbabwe (10)
England (6)
Sri Lanka (7)
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Title is misleading. WTF?
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Old July 31, 2015, 02:02 AM
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Title is misleading. WTF?
No the cerebrally challenged are just easily mislead.
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Old July 31, 2015, 03:03 AM
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David is possibly right. International cricket is losing its charm in competition with domestic T-20 leagues. Cricket could soon become one of "domestic only" games like ARF or American Football. Different domestic leagues might even adopt different cricketing rules.

Cricket has a fundamental problem that it's not popular outside of subcontinent anyway. Then it takes 8+ hours in ODI format, not to mention the test series. Life in subcontinent is getting faster and faster. Now whatever popularity it had, is utilized to grow T-20 leagues. Why would someone watch a bilateral? Cricket fans are different, but ordinary people?

ICC major tournaments will grow because those are the only time people can actually spend 8+ hours making an exception for these tournaments. If T-20 cricket enters Olympics, then ODIs will almost die immediately.

Then there's a calendar issue. Every board is prioritizing their T-20 league window. Why is WI have no ODIs post World cup? They have to keep players free for IPL and CPL. Where's the time to play bilateral?

Big 3 will take steps to stop it? I doubt. BCCI will be the biggest gainer if bilaterals die out. They will always get international players available in every possible window. They will expand IPL and try to internationalize IPL in the countries where plenty of NRIs live. They are on a fight with ECB to organize IPL matches in Ireland. In 5 years, they will come to USA as well. A lot of people will follow money and entertainment, we may remain mere exceptions.
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Old July 31, 2015, 03:12 AM
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"We are just in discussions at the moment. Michael Holding has spoken about a Test league of two divisions, others have previously suggested a six-and-four teams format. But first the principles and then the detail needs to be debated and agreed. I think it is achievable if all the Full Members think it is worthwhile and want it to happen."
This is consistent with the headline. If there's a 6+4 team structure in Test cricket, then Bangladesh will probably go into the second division. If it's a 6+6 then I could say Ireland and Afghanistan has reasons to cheer. I always have the opinion that two best associates should always be in Test cricket. But will this get things better? No probably.
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Old July 31, 2015, 03:26 AM
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Another (possibly related) article -
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/903077.html
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Let's see if it comes !!
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For test matches. Make two div, with the possibility of top & bottom teams of the groups go for pkay off to decide relegation and promotion ., that would be fine
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In his sense Iran, Costarica etc should not play FIFA WC.


BTY Football world also have around 20-25 really competitive teams. But they have WC of 32 nations.
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