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Old December 2, 2012, 10:30 PM
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^Indeed. Put in the missing words right away but wasn't quick enough with the editing.

Shourobh's generation has better technique and comparatively speaking, temperament. Richard McInnes during the course of his lunch with us (Zunaid, Rabiul and myself) attested to the better technique also. Local coaching has something to do with that but the fact that younger kids higher expecations of themselves is the key IMO. That makes them more serious and focused on becoming a world class, not BD class professional. Some of them no longer wanna be as good as Nannu, Athar, Akram, Bulbul, HaBa or Rokon, but as good as Clarke, Mahela, Sanga, Amla, ABD or Kohli. They also have better local players like Shakib, Tamim and Mushfiq to look up to.

Shubhagoto isn't their generation by age, but he's a latecomer (discovered by Fahim Muntasir during a Khyap match in Mymensingh) and a total outsider, outside the BKSP system, who plays with that bunch with Fazle Rabbi and has the same mindset.
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Old December 2, 2012, 10:52 PM
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^Indeed. Put in the missing words right away but wasn't quick enough with the editing.

Shourobh's generation have better technique and comparatively speaking, temperament. Richard McInnes during the course of his lunch with us (Zunaid, Rabiul and myself) attested to the better technique also. Local coaching has something to do with that but the fact that younger kids higher expecations of themselves is the key IMO. That makes them more serious and focused on becoming a world class, not BD class professional. Some of them no longer wanna be as good as Nannu, Athar, Akram, Bulbul, HaBa or Rokon, but as good as Clarke, Mahela, Sanga, Amla, ABD or Kohli. They also have better local players like Shakib, Tamim and Mushfiq to look up to.

Shubhagoto isn't their generation by age, but he's a latecomer (discovered by Fahim Muntasir during a Khyap match in Mymensingh) and a total outsider, outside the BKSP system, who plays with that bunch with Fazle Rabbi and has the same mindset.
That's great to know. The self belief is very evident in the younger players nowadays and also the ability to handle pressure. Also I think that these U19 tours away from home has toughened these guys up and learnt the lifestyle and hardships of being an international cricketer.

By the way, any idea why Shuvagata and Rabbi have struggled so far this year? Haven't seen Rabbi but knowing Shuvagata's abilities, he should be dominating the NCL.

I remember we had a conversation before about our BKSP boys being ahead of the rest. Again, it shows that coaching has improved at the local level but we should also make sure that players that are outside the BKSP also get proper coaching so that they can also have a chance to succeed. From what I've seen of Shuvagata, he seems a player with real ability no doubt but you can definitely tell he's not as organized a player as let's say Anamul or Mominul. So that's something we should be working upon.

Also forgive my ignorance here but we have 1 BKSP institution right? If we could have 1 in each district, I feel we'd get more quality players and also a much bigger quantity as well.
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Old December 2, 2012, 11:06 PM
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I agree both Shubhagoto and Rabbi should be dominating the NCL and don't know why they haven't been able to so far. I'm sure it's a mental thing and hope it'll change soon.

Rabbi is a Tamim and Rumman type of aggressive player who hits a lot more often than he's ever likely to miss because of superior hand-eye coordination with phenomenal handspeed. Bijoy, Shourobh and Shubhagoto seem also to have a lot of time on the ball. That being said, they'll face totally different quality at the highest level and making that huge transition won't be easy.

What I do know that Shubhagoto was totally demoralized after being dropped from the ODI squad after doing reasonably well on debut. He was under the reasonable impression that only performance at that level mattered for selection at that level.

More BKSPs would be the more expensive way to go. A cheaper way would be to develop a team of full time professional scouts scouting school and khyap matches everywhere, systematically assessing the potential and ability of players in light of the highest level, and then bringing them into the BKSP. I suggest we bring-in quality foreign scouts who can develop such a team.
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Old December 2, 2012, 11:27 PM
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I agree both Shubhagoto and Rabbi should be dominating the NCL and don't know why they haven't been able to so far. I'm sure it's a mental thing and hope it'll change soon.

Rabbi is a Tamim and Rumman type of aggressive player who hits a lot more often than he's ever likely to miss because of superior hand-eye coordination with phenomenal handspeed. Bijoy, Shourobh and Shubhagoto seem also to have a lot of time on the ball. That being said, they'll face totally different quality at the highest level and making that huge transition won't be easy.

What I do know that Shubhagoto was totally demoralized after being dropped from the ODI squad after doing reasonably well on debut. He was under the reasonable impression that only performance at that level mattered for selection at that level.

More BKSPs would be the more expensive way to go. A cheaper way would be to develop a team of full time professional scouts scouting school and khyap matches everywhere, systematically assessing the potential and ability of players in light of the highest level, and then bringing them into the BKSP. I suggest we bring-in quality foreign scouts who can develop such a team.
I'll admit it was pretty harsh to drop Hom after 1 series. He can easily come back though if he can have sustained consistency and big scores in the NCL ala Bijoy. Hope he can because I liked what I saw in him and feel he still has time to come back.

I like your idea also of having full time scouts, scouting potential all over the country and then sending them to the BKSP. I agree also that we should get foreign scouts who know how to judge potential. I don't know how much we can trust our scouts. It's pretty worrying that players such as Nazim and Decans can make it so far up to the national team level. So hiring foreign scouts could be the right way to go.
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Old December 3, 2012, 12:08 AM
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Yeah Mominul impressed me more than Anamul !! But I don't mind player like Anamul who will put a high value on his wicket and hold the one end while the others are accelerating..

What I liked about Mominul today that he maintained a strike rate of 100 at a crucial stage of the game.. But one complain though I think he missed few singles just because he got too confident that the ball would reach the boundary.. Though I think that will improve with experience.. Now Mominul should try to be a regular member of the national team by playing more good innings..All the best kid..
Those were rookie mistakes. They should go with experience.
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Old December 3, 2012, 12:28 AM
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i know but he is our Goutom Gombhir
Goutom+Shourobh = Gourobh


nah I won't over hype him but what I saw I was impressed and hope he continues like this,
You are adding up all KKR captains, then might add Kalam bhai also in the mix.....

Gourav.....sounds good though...
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Old December 3, 2012, 12:42 AM
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I know it is not going to happen but I would love to see him playing at the number 3 position instead of Naeem. To me Naeem is a good number 3 for test but in ODI I think our best option would be Mominul or Mahmudullah for that important number 3 position. I know we were using Sakib for that but as he is not playing I would definitely love to see Mominul get this position. But I know it is not going to happen as they will think he is too young for this! But my question is if he is old enough to play this level than he is most certainly capable enough to be playing at that position as well and giving the level of success our all our debutants got I would certainly try with that as well.
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Old December 3, 2012, 01:13 AM
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Start youngsters at 6-7 and slowly easing them up the order is a tried and tested method. I think Mominul can stay where he right now until he settles into his international shoes.
I liked Mominul's footwork and overall composure at the crease. He looks to be another great find in recent years along with Gazi, Nasir and Anamul
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Old December 3, 2012, 03:28 AM
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If Mominul can bat like how he did, and if he is reliable/responsible then it will allow us to put Shakib at 3. Our best batsmen should face the most deliveries. So naturally Tamim, Anamul, Shakib to bat at 1, 2, 3. Shakibs also a dangerous batsman with the fielders inside the circle. Either Nasir/Mushfiq at 4 or 6. Mominul at 5, Riyad at 6. Naeem as backup to Nasir/Mominul. Pretty decent batting lineup!

Will also allow us to play 4 specialist bowlers.
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Old December 3, 2012, 03:45 AM
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If Mominul can bat like how he did, and if he is reliable/responsible then it will allow us to put Shakib at 3. Our best batsmen should face the most deliveries. So naturally Tamim, Anamul, Shakib to bat at 1, 2, 3. Shakibs also a dangerous batsman with the fielders inside the circle. Either Nasir/Mushfiq at 4 or 6. Mominul at 5, Riyad at 6. Naeem as backup to Nasir/Mominul. Pretty decent batting lineup!

Will also allow us to play 4 specialist bowlers.
Exactly!

1)Tamim
2)Anamul
3)Shakib
4)Mushy
5)Nasir
6) Mominul
7)Riyad
8)Mash
9)Gazi
10)Razzak
11)Rubel

That's a dream XI imho

To make it 15,which I want to pick for SL (odi)
12)Nayeem
13)Nazmul
14) Sunny
15) Abul or a top order batsman for back up

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Old December 3, 2012, 04:03 AM
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Exactly!

1)Tamim
2)Anamul
3)Shakib
4)Mushy
5)Nasir
6) Mominul
7)Riyad
8)Mash
9)Gazi
10)Razzak
11)Rubel

That's a dream XI imho

To make it 15,which I want to pick for SL (odi)
12)Nayeem
13)Nazmul
14) Sunny
15) Abul or a top order batsman for back up

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i'd have shuvagata in the squad as a back-up batsman.
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Old December 3, 2012, 04:19 AM
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Why not Tamim and Shakib opening....?? Both are good in using the PP overs....let them continue the carnage until we lose a wicket, then Anamul comes to stabilize the innings and then Naeem, Mominul, Nasir, Mushy....
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Old December 3, 2012, 04:52 AM
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Tamim and Anamul make a good combination. Left hand right. Tamim will flay any opposition, while Anamul is the type who will play the anchorman role and try to bat out 50 overs. Let Shakib come at 3, sth he has done at T20 matches.
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Old December 3, 2012, 07:02 AM
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When I saw Mominul play yesterday.. I saw a miniature Mike Hussy in style and approach. Although sometimes Shakibs approach Also reminds me of Hussy(when he plays like a superman) but not the style, shakibs is different.
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Old December 3, 2012, 07:58 AM
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how can you guys go that far? he just played 1 match. let him breath
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Old December 3, 2012, 08:58 AM
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Yeah, next 10-15 matches critical. Even Raqibul was very good when he started, and seemed of a different caliber.
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Old December 3, 2012, 02:11 PM
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how can you guys go that far? he just played 1 match. let him breath
You are right, but I liked his technique, style, and composure. Both, Mominul and Anamul needs good coaching at this time. We don't want them to be flashes in the pan.
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Tamim and Anamul make a good combination. Left hand right. Tamim will flay any opposition, while Anamul is the type who will play the anchorman role and try to bat out 50 overs. Let Shakib come at 3, sth he has done at T20 matches.
If Anamul can bat 50 overs while maintaining an SR or 70-80, we should score 300 or more routinely.
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Mominul Cheleta talented and full load of confidence. Kintu mone hoi chele ta Kaam chora... dorayee kom. Emni teye choto khato manus, nora chora kom korlejodi tamimer moto ekta bhuri hoi, ekdom dhol-er moto lagbe.
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Mominul Cheleta talented and full load of confidence. Kintu mone hoi chele ta Kaam chora... dorayee kom. Emni teye choto khato manus, nora chora kom korlejodi tamimer moto ekta bhuri hoi, ekdom dhol-er moto lagbe.
bhai...bechara pad porleo komor shoman hoye jaye, ar bat ta dekhchen ? handle to buker shoman...eto jhamela r moddheo je cricket khele etai ba kom ki ?
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Old December 3, 2012, 02:39 PM
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One or two good matches and he becomes our hero!?!. SN, Junaed, Ash, Rokib. They all started with a bang. Ektu time den bhai. Tarpor bujha jabe Eder dour koto dur..
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Dear sohel, i like u and ur post but i dont like when u always use players nick name, its hard to follow u. Hope u dont mind using players real name
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Old December 3, 2012, 02:43 PM
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My prediction: mominul will score century or half century in the next match
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Old December 3, 2012, 02:48 PM
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One or two good matches and he becomes our hero!?!. SN, Junaed, Ash, Rokib. They all started with a bang. Ektu time den bhai. Tarpor bujha jabe Eder dour koto dur..
Right, Eto chaeka kheye o amader shikkha hoy na... we are all B +ive ..
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Old December 3, 2012, 02:53 PM
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Right, Eto chaeka kheye o amader shikkha hoy na... we are all B +ive ..
Haha Shetai re bhai. Naira ek baar bel tolay jay. Aar amra baar baar bel tolay giye Chandi fataye fellam tobu shikkha holo na..
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