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Old December 4, 2012, 05:21 AM
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This thread is late in coming since its been so obvious that Bangladesh have gradually gone from wretched to crap to poor to [hopefully now] an average side.

Australia from 2000 to 2007 WC can serve as the standard:

160 wins, 46 losses, bat avg = 40.16, RR = 5.40, bowl avg = 25.06 , econ = 4.68

Australia's average score batting first would be 270-7 and their opposition's 234-9. Their average-RR ratio would be = (40.16*5.4)/(25.06*4.68) = 1.849

So for Bangladesh we have the following time intervals:

Start of Test era:

0 wins, 43 losses, bat avg = 18.46, RR = 3.84, bowl avg = 48.20, econ = 5.32
ratio = 0.276

From First Win of Test Era to 2007 WC (6 wins against G8 teams**):

33 wins, 43 losses, bat avg = 24.76, RR = 4.38, bowl avg = 29.55 , econ = 4.59
ratio = 0.800

Ashraful-Shakib-Siddons Era (3 wins vs G8 teams):

21 wins, 51 losses, bat avg = 25.42, RR = 4.60, bowl avg = 35.09, econ = 5.27
ratio = 0.632

Since the NZ TigerWash (10 wins vs G8 teams):

17 wins, 17 losses, bat avg = 27.52, RR = 4.60, bowl avg, = 27.64, econ = 4.79
ratio = 0.956




** The early 2004 ZIM team counts as a "G8" side since they were ranked ahead of us and had Streak, G Flower, S Ervine, and a number of other first choice players.
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You need to plot the entire 10+ years like I did so many years ago to plot the Whatmore Effect.

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Old December 4, 2012, 05:44 AM
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You need to plot the entire 10+ years like I did so many years ago to plot the Whatmore Effect.

Will do...but that will have to wait.
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Wouldn't the NZ BanglaWash be counted under Siddons era ??
He was the head coach and the stats should go under his column, IMO.
In that case, 4 wins against G8 in one series alone plus the 3 you mention.

The last era should start from the Zim 2011 series, isnt it ?
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Also please include pre whatmore era, to understand the impact whatmore had ....

Your division of Era is a bit confusing....
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Wouldn't the NZ BanglaWash be counted under Siddons era ??
He was the head coach and the stats should go under his column, IMO.
In that case, 4 wins against G8 in one series alone plus the 3 you mention.

The last era should start from the Zim 2011 series, isnt it ?
Asaad had a predetermined point to make.

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If I were to create a timeline I would stop at Ash and start a new point from Shakib and onwards. Obviously Asaad wouldn't do that cause he is a diehard Ashraful fan.
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If I were to create a timeline I would stop at Ash and start a new point from Shakib and onwards. Obviously Asaad wouldn't do that cause he is a diehard Ashraful fan.
Its more about the team than individuals although I agree some individuals have enough ability and innate "talunt" to warrant accomodation - up to a point and Ashraful was certainly one of those if he isn't anymore.

That being said, the eras I chose haven't been exact, but have been approximations mainly because I don't have all the dates memorized but I do know the general chronology of things. So now I'll explain.

The first era is from the beginning of test status up until our 2004 ZIM tour where we won a match for the first time. The second era is that time until the end of 07 world cup. The period after that is Ashraful-Siddons (and later Shakib) era. The NZ Tigerwash hasn't been attributed to either Siddons or Shakib not to sleight one or both men but to create a new era where Bangladesh demonstrated the ability to a) win a series against a G8 side, b) put together a string of victories against a G8 side c) win without a major player (Tamim and Mashrafee) in the side.

Bangladesh doesn't need Tamim to win, Bangladesh doesn't need Shakib to win either.
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Bangladesh doesn't need Tamim to win, Bangladesh doesn't need Shakib to win either.
We're a team of champions. Every individual except Abul is a winner.
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Old December 4, 2012, 08:06 PM
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We're a team of champions. Every individual except Abul is a winner.
Thats pretty harsh given we have a Riyad a Naeem and a Nazimuddin around.
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